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I'm probably mistaken, but I always thought that the Kirkstall Pass Inn was the highest pub in the UK ? Are we talking pub or inn here ( inn including accomodation ), or am I just wrong either way ?--JRL 10:57, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I think you mean the Kirkstone Pass Inn in the Lakes. If so, no, that's at number 3 (about 1530 ft???) I recollect, well behind Tan Hill and the Cat & Fiddle.
The C&F used to say it was the highest pub open all the year, but Tan Hill (which _used to_ shut over winter) is certainly slightly higher. Bob
I see no point in having separate articles for Tan Hill and the Tan Hill Inn. They are, to all intents and purposes, the same thing, and without the pub material this article will never be more than a stub. Dave.Dunford ( talk) 20:35, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
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Given this is no. 1, there no need to discuss no. 2. That would belong only in a list by height.-- FDent ( talk) 12:28, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
The original 'height' prose goes back to the first upload, 26 April 2005 (permalink) which was the only content. The newspaper article is dated Feb 2012, which suggests a lazy journalist keyword-searching and taking content from WP for expediency (as we all know they do). The original University paper goes back to 2002 at Wayback Machine and was first cited 17 April 2006.
I've knocked this out at the kitchen table having my brunch, but already have spent too much time (including looking at the image-uploader's work list - this image File:Tan Hill Sign.jpg) on what is a disputatious, minor point. So, well done for deleting a necessary and interesting qualifyer, and for interfering with the citation history by deletion, instead of using an archived version!
I have been criticised (by one knee-jerk prima donna, with a foul-mouthed tirade) for not being creative-enough, and for being a "robot"; I am an editor, not really a contributor, and most of my time is spent disbelieving the content of WP and trawling back though the edit history to try to understand who-did-what. Suggest you consider self-revert?-0- Semperito ( talk) 14:28, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
It all depends on whether one is a deletionist or inclusionist; if there is no qualifyer (=comparator, relative scale) there's no need to include Tan Hill as the highest - as already stated immediately above - "this pub which is noteworthy beyond just height." #selectivedeletionist? - Semperito ( talk) 17:09, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
While I think a height comparison would be useful, for now it may be easiest to leave it out, as what to include (current, former, both?) would be a problem - the Cat and Fiddle Inn may or may not reopen and the current no. 2 is unclear. The Kirkstone Pass Inn claims to be but this is disputed - though the site that does so www.garydickson.co.uk/pubs.html is a self-published list with rounded figures and for reliability something better would be needed. EdwardUK ( talk) 00:42, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
That's fair enough - thank you for your comments.- Semperito ( talk) 17:25, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
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I'm probably mistaken, but I always thought that the Kirkstall Pass Inn was the highest pub in the UK ? Are we talking pub or inn here ( inn including accomodation ), or am I just wrong either way ?--JRL 10:57, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I think you mean the Kirkstone Pass Inn in the Lakes. If so, no, that's at number 3 (about 1530 ft???) I recollect, well behind Tan Hill and the Cat & Fiddle.
The C&F used to say it was the highest pub open all the year, but Tan Hill (which _used to_ shut over winter) is certainly slightly higher. Bob
I see no point in having separate articles for Tan Hill and the Tan Hill Inn. They are, to all intents and purposes, the same thing, and without the pub material this article will never be more than a stub. Dave.Dunford ( talk) 20:35, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Tan Hill, North Yorkshire/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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Substituted at 18:37, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Given this is no. 1, there no need to discuss no. 2. That would belong only in a list by height.-- FDent ( talk) 12:28, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
The original 'height' prose goes back to the first upload, 26 April 2005 (permalink) which was the only content. The newspaper article is dated Feb 2012, which suggests a lazy journalist keyword-searching and taking content from WP for expediency (as we all know they do). The original University paper goes back to 2002 at Wayback Machine and was first cited 17 April 2006.
I've knocked this out at the kitchen table having my brunch, but already have spent too much time (including looking at the image-uploader's work list - this image File:Tan Hill Sign.jpg) on what is a disputatious, minor point. So, well done for deleting a necessary and interesting qualifyer, and for interfering with the citation history by deletion, instead of using an archived version!
I have been criticised (by one knee-jerk prima donna, with a foul-mouthed tirade) for not being creative-enough, and for being a "robot"; I am an editor, not really a contributor, and most of my time is spent disbelieving the content of WP and trawling back though the edit history to try to understand who-did-what. Suggest you consider self-revert?-0- Semperito ( talk) 14:28, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
It all depends on whether one is a deletionist or inclusionist; if there is no qualifyer (=comparator, relative scale) there's no need to include Tan Hill as the highest - as already stated immediately above - "this pub which is noteworthy beyond just height." #selectivedeletionist? - Semperito ( talk) 17:09, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
While I think a height comparison would be useful, for now it may be easiest to leave it out, as what to include (current, former, both?) would be a problem - the Cat and Fiddle Inn may or may not reopen and the current no. 2 is unclear. The Kirkstone Pass Inn claims to be but this is disputed - though the site that does so www.garydickson.co.uk/pubs.html is a self-published list with rounded figures and for reliability something better would be needed. EdwardUK ( talk) 00:42, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
That's fair enough - thank you for your comments.- Semperito ( talk) 17:25, 5 January 2018 (UTC)