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The result of the move request was: No consensus, compelling policy or naming convention argument to moveMike Cline (
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DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 23:19, 26 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment I do agree with you on that if one is moved all other pages should be moved. But I must remind you not all Tamils think this way, however that is a conversation for another day.--
Blackknight12 (
talk) 08:33, 1 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Obi2canibe. That's a pretty exhaustive list, so I'm inclined not to disturb the current order. --
BDD (
talk) 19:49, 3 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment - What if all those were to be changed?--
Blackknight12 (
talk) 15:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Support - This is not a national team, in that it is not affiliated to FIFA or any continental football confederation. The "country" itself doesn't have any official status, so how can it have a "national team"? –
PeeJay 00:30, 6 July 2012 (UTC)reply
See Obi2canibe's comment. A nation is a very different thing from a sovereign state. What do FIFA have to do with it? Firstly, we do not follow official names, and secondly, why would not being a FIFA member imply that it is not a nation? I am not personally familiar with Tamil Eelam, but to use an example I do know a little about,
Catalonia is not a country, but is definitely a nation. As such, their national team article is titled
Catalonia national football team, even though aren't affiliated with FIFA or UEFA. Do you have any evidence that Tamil Eelam is not a nation/nationality?
Jenks24 (
talk) 14:29, 8 July 2012 (UTC)reply
I don't care about Obi2canibe's comment. I would support the majority of those teams being renamed too. –
PeeJay 22:02, 8 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Great attitude to have for working on a collaborative project. But seriously, I didn't mean his points about other articles (though they are relevant to the discussion). I meant that your question, "The 'country' itself doesn't have any official status, so how can it have a 'national team'?", had already been answered: authoritative sources have said that a "nation" does not have to be an independent state.
Jenks24 (
talk) 12:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Support per Peejay - not affiliated to FIFA, does not represent a nation. Unfortunately Obi2canibe appears ignorant of
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.
GiantSnowman 11:14, 8 July 2012 (UTC)reply
On the contrary, while OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is a poor argument at AfD, it is a very strong argument at RM because consistency is one of the
five principle naming criteria.
Jenks24 (
talk) 14:29, 8 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment Whatever the consensus will be in here, it should be applied to all those teams above, including
this very recent proposal. Infact 05:18, 9 July 2012 (UTC)reply
I agree, and that recent result should be taken into consideration. --
BDD (
talk) 13:19, 9 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment - I think we also need to look at other sports here. Cricket, for example, has
West Indies cricket team because the West Indies is not a nation (it also has
England cricket team, but that's because the England cricket team actually represents England and Wales, so it wouldn't be fair to refer to it as the England national cricket team when it has also included Welshmen). –
PeeJay 11:54, 10 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment - PeeJay, that's a good point you bring up, these should be titles should be the same across all sports.--
Blackknight12 (
talk) 15:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Support. The region is not officially defined nor recognized, and more importantly, neither is the soccer team. I reject the majority of Obi2canibe's comment; many of the teams listed there are teams of recognized and defined (for the most part) regions, and whose teams are affiliated to a footballing federation recognized by FIFA (the FA, CONCACAF, French federation, etc). I agree there are some grey areas (as with
Occitania national football team), but there really isn't a precedent or a convention to follow here, because a good discussion hasn't taken place (correct me if I am wrong). Hence,
WP:OSE is, for the most part, irrelevant, because all the other pages in this grey area haven't been subjected to any discussion on naming. While on the topic of
WP:OSE, there are pages like
Sápmi football team,
Aramean Syriac football team,
Provence football team and
West Papua football team; I can just as easily form a counter argument about existing precedents and conventions using these article titles. Lynch7 10:28, 12 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment - Most of the comments here don't mention the original reasoning for renaming i.e. that Tamil Eelam isn't a nation. They only refer to the fact this team isn't affiliated to FIFA. FIFA do not own football and they can't dictate who can calls themselves a nation and who can't.--obi2canibetalkcontr 15:17, 14 July 2012 (UTC)reply
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The result of the move request was: No consensus, compelling policy or naming convention argument to moveMike Cline (
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DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 23:19, 26 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment I do agree with you on that if one is moved all other pages should be moved. But I must remind you not all Tamils think this way, however that is a conversation for another day.--
Blackknight12 (
talk) 08:33, 1 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Obi2canibe. That's a pretty exhaustive list, so I'm inclined not to disturb the current order. --
BDD (
talk) 19:49, 3 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment - What if all those were to be changed?--
Blackknight12 (
talk) 15:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Support - This is not a national team, in that it is not affiliated to FIFA or any continental football confederation. The "country" itself doesn't have any official status, so how can it have a "national team"? –
PeeJay 00:30, 6 July 2012 (UTC)reply
See Obi2canibe's comment. A nation is a very different thing from a sovereign state. What do FIFA have to do with it? Firstly, we do not follow official names, and secondly, why would not being a FIFA member imply that it is not a nation? I am not personally familiar with Tamil Eelam, but to use an example I do know a little about,
Catalonia is not a country, but is definitely a nation. As such, their national team article is titled
Catalonia national football team, even though aren't affiliated with FIFA or UEFA. Do you have any evidence that Tamil Eelam is not a nation/nationality?
Jenks24 (
talk) 14:29, 8 July 2012 (UTC)reply
I don't care about Obi2canibe's comment. I would support the majority of those teams being renamed too. –
PeeJay 22:02, 8 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Great attitude to have for working on a collaborative project. But seriously, I didn't mean his points about other articles (though they are relevant to the discussion). I meant that your question, "The 'country' itself doesn't have any official status, so how can it have a 'national team'?", had already been answered: authoritative sources have said that a "nation" does not have to be an independent state.
Jenks24 (
talk) 12:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Support per Peejay - not affiliated to FIFA, does not represent a nation. Unfortunately Obi2canibe appears ignorant of
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.
GiantSnowman 11:14, 8 July 2012 (UTC)reply
On the contrary, while OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is a poor argument at AfD, it is a very strong argument at RM because consistency is one of the
five principle naming criteria.
Jenks24 (
talk) 14:29, 8 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment Whatever the consensus will be in here, it should be applied to all those teams above, including
this very recent proposal. Infact 05:18, 9 July 2012 (UTC)reply
I agree, and that recent result should be taken into consideration. --
BDD (
talk) 13:19, 9 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment - I think we also need to look at other sports here. Cricket, for example, has
West Indies cricket team because the West Indies is not a nation (it also has
England cricket team, but that's because the England cricket team actually represents England and Wales, so it wouldn't be fair to refer to it as the England national cricket team when it has also included Welshmen). –
PeeJay 11:54, 10 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment - PeeJay, that's a good point you bring up, these should be titles should be the same across all sports.--
Blackknight12 (
talk) 15:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Support. The region is not officially defined nor recognized, and more importantly, neither is the soccer team. I reject the majority of Obi2canibe's comment; many of the teams listed there are teams of recognized and defined (for the most part) regions, and whose teams are affiliated to a footballing federation recognized by FIFA (the FA, CONCACAF, French federation, etc). I agree there are some grey areas (as with
Occitania national football team), but there really isn't a precedent or a convention to follow here, because a good discussion hasn't taken place (correct me if I am wrong). Hence,
WP:OSE is, for the most part, irrelevant, because all the other pages in this grey area haven't been subjected to any discussion on naming. While on the topic of
WP:OSE, there are pages like
Sápmi football team,
Aramean Syriac football team,
Provence football team and
West Papua football team; I can just as easily form a counter argument about existing precedents and conventions using these article titles. Lynch7 10:28, 12 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment - Most of the comments here don't mention the original reasoning for renaming i.e. that Tamil Eelam isn't a nation. They only refer to the fact this team isn't affiliated to FIFA. FIFA do not own football and they can't dictate who can calls themselves a nation and who can't.--obi2canibetalkcontr 15:17, 14 July 2012 (UTC)reply
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