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What do we think about pushing on and nominating this for Featured Article? I think we're in generally good shape, and seem to meet the primary criteria quite well. A few things I think we could still do:
Any other ideas? Gwernol 16:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Another thing to do:
7. Go through all links, to ensure first reference of something is linked where appropriate, avoiding overlinking and ensuring the article conforms to MOS:LINK. I'll look at this tonight. — Pek, on behalf of Tivedshambo (talk) 08:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC) Done
This is something that we might be picked up on if going for FA status. As far as I know we haven't touched on this yet: The historical spelling of Tywyn is Towyn - the Welsh spelling Tywyn only being formerly adopted in 1975 (see Bate page 186). Is it appropriate to use the old spelling in the article for events pre 1975 and Tywyn post 1975. Is there a convention on wikipedia for situations like this? Any comments? Willsmith3 ( Talk) 14:04, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
In the Declining fortunes section it states As McConnel's lease drew to its close, there was no prospect of a further lessor coming forward... Presumably McConnel paid for the lease, rather than owning the land, therefore shouldn't this be lessee rather than lessor? Incidentally, who did he lease the land from? — Pek, on behalf of Tivedshambo 07:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
There seem to be a number of, sorry, ten instances of the phrase "a number of" or "several". Some of these are justified, but can we use exact figures where available? Even approximate values would be acceptable. For example "a number of goods vehicles in use". Five? Fifty? Five hundred? I know I'm guilty of using the phrase, but I've cleared up a couple, and I'll see what I can do about the rest. —
Tivedshambo (
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c) 20:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I've nominated the article at WP:FAC. Gwernol 14:02, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Now that we have grid references for the stations, shall I add the co-ordinates too? Mjroots ( talk) 17:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I've had some comments back from a friend, who's read through a printed copy of the article and made some constructive criticism. I've updated the article to reflect this.
Unfortunately this article hasn't made it through WP:FAC on the first attempt. It's been suggested we take it to peer review before trying again. As there seems to be no further updates at the moment, I'll put it forward. — Tivedshambo ( t/ c) 20:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I've been bold and moved the list of stations to a separate article. I know the idea's been rejected before, but it was suggested in the peer review and I still feel this is the best solution. I've linked to it at the top of the route section. Hopefully you'll agree with me that this method works - if not feel free to improve/revert as you see fit. I've also merged some of the route sections together, as per PR - this could do with some improvement. — Tivedshambo ( t/ c) 20:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi there
I just stumbled across this article after visiting the railway on holiday with my son, who's a big steam fan, and upon seeing the existing quality of the article I figured I would help get it to FA status by giving it a thorough copy edit and so on. I noticed that one point which was picked up before was the failure to use {{ convert}} for the measurements, so I've started to add that in, but I've noticed that it auto-converts the 2 ft 3 in gauge to 690mm, whereas the article previously stated 686mm. Not knowing much about gauges I don't know if the 4mm is significant - if the article were to state 690mm throughout would that be a major problem.........? ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Just a random fact. If you search for Railway in google, the Talyllyn Railway is the third choice for some reason.... Simply south ( talk) 21:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
The article has just been passed as a Featured Article. This is something we all should be proud of, and I'd personally like to thank all the contributors who have helped. Especial thanks to Tivedshambo and Chris who have made major efforts to improve the article recently. Best, Gwernol 01:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
....encyclopediawise. This article doesn't tell us what country the Talyllyn Railway is in. It does say that it's on the Mid-Wales coast. I come from New South Wales. Is it anywhere near there? Amandajm ( talk) 02:45, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Reading the front page of Wikipedia today, I read the text about the Talyllyn Railway. In no place was it obvious for a lay-person where is this railway situated in the world? I guessed UK or Australia, and discovered the answer when I clicked on to the article itself. I believe this should be remedied. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.132.243.61 ( talk) 16:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the links to the you-tube videos added here. Whilst you-tube links are not banned outright (see WP:YOUTUBE), I feel they should only be used where they contribute something of value to the article, e.g. to provide evidence of something that is not otherwise referenced. Unfortunately, I cannot view the videos at present, as my home PC is out of commission, and youtube is blocked on my office pc as company policy. If it's felt that either of these videos do add to the article, feel free to reinstate them, but these should be in the external links section at the end, rather than a separate section in the middle. What we should avoid are long lists of unnecessary links to fan sites, home videos etc. — Tivedshambo ( t/ c) 08:49, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I think that you can probably afford to say that it's a saddle tank engine. Amandajm ( talk) 23:35, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
The article states:
A check of the Transport Act 1947, third schedule (pp. 145-6) shows that not only was the Talyllyn not nationalised, but no independent narrow-gauge railways were nationalised. It is true that several n.g. railways did become part of the British Railways system: but these (the Corris, Welshpool & Llanfair and the Vale of Rheidol) were already part of the Great Western Railway, so under Part II, section 14 of the Act, these would have needed additional legislation to separate them off and so avoid nationalisation.
In the main text of the Act, Part II, section 13 is relevant: it implies that the railways which were to be nationalised were those which had come under Government control during World War II, under the Defence (General) Regulations 1939. Such railways would have been those used for the carriage of troops, munitions and other vital supplies; if slate didn't come under that heading, it's no surprise that the Talyllyn didn't come under Government control. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 22:38, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
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@
Railfan23: Hi,
To say that "the
loading gauge is too small" is, with all due respect, nonsense. To put it correctly one can say it in either one of two ways. The loading gauge was too large for the
structure gauge, or alternately, the structure gauge was too small for the loading gauge. For example one can say that the loading gauge of French
rolling stock is too large for the British structure gauge whence the
Eurostar had to be built to a reduces loading gauge in order to fit. On the other hand, the smaller loading gauge British rolling stock fits comfortably within the French structure gauge and thus to say that the British loading gauge is too small, is nonsense.
Peter Horn
User talk 13:07, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
This old FA looks in pretty good shape, but there are a few unsourced statements that I flagged as citation needed. FA criteria require that an inline citation at the end of each paragraph. ( t · c) buidhe 21:56, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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What do we think about pushing on and nominating this for Featured Article? I think we're in generally good shape, and seem to meet the primary criteria quite well. A few things I think we could still do:
Any other ideas? Gwernol 16:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Another thing to do:
7. Go through all links, to ensure first reference of something is linked where appropriate, avoiding overlinking and ensuring the article conforms to MOS:LINK. I'll look at this tonight. — Pek, on behalf of Tivedshambo (talk) 08:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC) Done
This is something that we might be picked up on if going for FA status. As far as I know we haven't touched on this yet: The historical spelling of Tywyn is Towyn - the Welsh spelling Tywyn only being formerly adopted in 1975 (see Bate page 186). Is it appropriate to use the old spelling in the article for events pre 1975 and Tywyn post 1975. Is there a convention on wikipedia for situations like this? Any comments? Willsmith3 ( Talk) 14:04, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
In the Declining fortunes section it states As McConnel's lease drew to its close, there was no prospect of a further lessor coming forward... Presumably McConnel paid for the lease, rather than owning the land, therefore shouldn't this be lessee rather than lessor? Incidentally, who did he lease the land from? — Pek, on behalf of Tivedshambo 07:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
There seem to be a number of, sorry, ten instances of the phrase "a number of" or "several". Some of these are justified, but can we use exact figures where available? Even approximate values would be acceptable. For example "a number of goods vehicles in use". Five? Fifty? Five hundred? I know I'm guilty of using the phrase, but I've cleared up a couple, and I'll see what I can do about the rest. —
Tivedshambo (
t/
c) 20:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I've nominated the article at WP:FAC. Gwernol 14:02, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Now that we have grid references for the stations, shall I add the co-ordinates too? Mjroots ( talk) 17:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I've had some comments back from a friend, who's read through a printed copy of the article and made some constructive criticism. I've updated the article to reflect this.
Unfortunately this article hasn't made it through WP:FAC on the first attempt. It's been suggested we take it to peer review before trying again. As there seems to be no further updates at the moment, I'll put it forward. — Tivedshambo ( t/ c) 20:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I've been bold and moved the list of stations to a separate article. I know the idea's been rejected before, but it was suggested in the peer review and I still feel this is the best solution. I've linked to it at the top of the route section. Hopefully you'll agree with me that this method works - if not feel free to improve/revert as you see fit. I've also merged some of the route sections together, as per PR - this could do with some improvement. — Tivedshambo ( t/ c) 20:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi there
I just stumbled across this article after visiting the railway on holiday with my son, who's a big steam fan, and upon seeing the existing quality of the article I figured I would help get it to FA status by giving it a thorough copy edit and so on. I noticed that one point which was picked up before was the failure to use {{ convert}} for the measurements, so I've started to add that in, but I've noticed that it auto-converts the 2 ft 3 in gauge to 690mm, whereas the article previously stated 686mm. Not knowing much about gauges I don't know if the 4mm is significant - if the article were to state 690mm throughout would that be a major problem.........? ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Just a random fact. If you search for Railway in google, the Talyllyn Railway is the third choice for some reason.... Simply south ( talk) 21:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
The article has just been passed as a Featured Article. This is something we all should be proud of, and I'd personally like to thank all the contributors who have helped. Especial thanks to Tivedshambo and Chris who have made major efforts to improve the article recently. Best, Gwernol 01:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
....encyclopediawise. This article doesn't tell us what country the Talyllyn Railway is in. It does say that it's on the Mid-Wales coast. I come from New South Wales. Is it anywhere near there? Amandajm ( talk) 02:45, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Reading the front page of Wikipedia today, I read the text about the Talyllyn Railway. In no place was it obvious for a lay-person where is this railway situated in the world? I guessed UK or Australia, and discovered the answer when I clicked on to the article itself. I believe this should be remedied. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.132.243.61 ( talk) 16:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the links to the you-tube videos added here. Whilst you-tube links are not banned outright (see WP:YOUTUBE), I feel they should only be used where they contribute something of value to the article, e.g. to provide evidence of something that is not otherwise referenced. Unfortunately, I cannot view the videos at present, as my home PC is out of commission, and youtube is blocked on my office pc as company policy. If it's felt that either of these videos do add to the article, feel free to reinstate them, but these should be in the external links section at the end, rather than a separate section in the middle. What we should avoid are long lists of unnecessary links to fan sites, home videos etc. — Tivedshambo ( t/ c) 08:49, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I think that you can probably afford to say that it's a saddle tank engine. Amandajm ( talk) 23:35, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
The article states:
A check of the Transport Act 1947, third schedule (pp. 145-6) shows that not only was the Talyllyn not nationalised, but no independent narrow-gauge railways were nationalised. It is true that several n.g. railways did become part of the British Railways system: but these (the Corris, Welshpool & Llanfair and the Vale of Rheidol) were already part of the Great Western Railway, so under Part II, section 14 of the Act, these would have needed additional legislation to separate them off and so avoid nationalisation.
In the main text of the Act, Part II, section 13 is relevant: it implies that the railways which were to be nationalised were those which had come under Government control during World War II, under the Defence (General) Regulations 1939. Such railways would have been those used for the carriage of troops, munitions and other vital supplies; if slate didn't come under that heading, it's no surprise that the Talyllyn didn't come under Government control. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 22:38, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
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@
Railfan23: Hi,
To say that "the
loading gauge is too small" is, with all due respect, nonsense. To put it correctly one can say it in either one of two ways. The loading gauge was too large for the
structure gauge, or alternately, the structure gauge was too small for the loading gauge. For example one can say that the loading gauge of French
rolling stock is too large for the British structure gauge whence the
Eurostar had to be built to a reduces loading gauge in order to fit. On the other hand, the smaller loading gauge British rolling stock fits comfortably within the French structure gauge and thus to say that the British loading gauge is too small, is nonsense.
Peter Horn
User talk 13:07, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
This old FA looks in pretty good shape, but there are a few unsourced statements that I flagged as citation needed. FA criteria require that an inline citation at the end of each paragraph. ( t · c) buidhe 21:56, 6 February 2022 (UTC)