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![]() | On 22 February 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Talış, Tartar to Talish, Tartar. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Stop vandalizing this page, it's still a part of Azerbaijan, and it's recognized as Azerbaijan by UN. Beshogur ( talk) 10:55, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/37.157.217.91 Beshogur ( talk) 15:28, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Talış, Tartar in its current state is de facto and de jure part of Azerbaijan. However user Rs4815 and TU-nor keep reverting these edits. Even though the article also confirms that the region is de facto and de jure part of Azerbaijan now (since 2016). MrUnoDosTres ( talk) 23:05, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
I have removed several non- RELIABLE sources used for citations in the article. These include BARE-URL citations to YouTube and Twitter. See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Sources for details. Proven, official twitter feeds may be present in the External links section in some instances, but almost never used as citations. YouTube has its own rules, too (see link above). Thanks, GenQuest "Talk to Me" 15:11, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. The majority of guideline-based arguments supported a move. The opposition is noted and respected, but the visibility of this village in recent conflict has resulted in much more English-language coverage than might be expected for something this size, and the relevant section of WP:ENGLISH for if it didn't have such coverage can be read in several directions of supporting or opposing the page move in this case. ( non-admin closure) Vaticidalprophet ( talk) 22:02, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Talış, Tartar →
Talish, Tartar – Changing the name as per WP:COMMONNAME. 1. The population through recorded history until 2020 was overwhelmingly Armenian and referred to the village by the native name "Talish". 2. Reputable media refers to the village solely by Talish, can't find any instances of the use "Talış". 3. Google Scholar: "Talish" "Karabakh": 230
[1]; "Talış" "Karabakh": 69
[2]; 4. Finally, and most crucially, I can't find any evidence that the official name used by the Azerbaijani government is actually "Talış". Maybe I am just failing to find it, and if so please provide a source, but even when announcing the capture of the village in 2020, Aliyev used the word "Talish", not "Talış"
[3]. Thus, this may be both the WP:COMMONNAME AND the official name. In either case, this seems like a pretty clear-cut case for page moving, but I am using this template to address any possible concerns regarding this issue, so please reply if there are any.
Achemish (
talk)
05:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Dear 212.58.103.30, you made an edit first removing the sentence entirely without explanation, then after that removal was reverted, you moved the sentence from the lead into the body. I disagreed with this change and reverted it, stating that it is appropriate to be in the lead, but you reverted again. Let's discuss the change - why do you feel that the sentence should not be in the lead, but rather in the body? The former Armenian population of the village is a very important fact, and according to Wikipedia guidelines, the lead should summarize the most important points. What is your reasoning for removing it? Achemish ( talk) 02:43, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Why is the information about population prior to 1989 stated in the beginning of the article? Are you trying to inject political propaganda of yours into article? If it is really important to mention it in article then should we mention this information in every village of Karabakh and former Zangezur? Because believe me I can show you hundreds of villages which had Azerbaijani majority before 1989 but now have zero Azerbaijani. Let’s start with Shurnukh for example. Do you agree to do the same in that article? 212.58.103.30 ( talk) 07:35, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
The question is not about "including" but putting in the beginning of the article. Although each article is handled individually, if they are the part of the same frame, then should be handled in the same context. If you highlight the info of one ethnicity in the lead of the article, but prefer to "hide" the information regarding other ethnicity in similar articles, that it is definetly a political propaganda. -- 212.58.103.31 ( talk) 19:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
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![]() | On 22 February 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Talış, Tartar to Talish, Tartar. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Stop vandalizing this page, it's still a part of Azerbaijan, and it's recognized as Azerbaijan by UN. Beshogur ( talk) 10:55, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/37.157.217.91 Beshogur ( talk) 15:28, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Talış, Tartar in its current state is de facto and de jure part of Azerbaijan. However user Rs4815 and TU-nor keep reverting these edits. Even though the article also confirms that the region is de facto and de jure part of Azerbaijan now (since 2016). MrUnoDosTres ( talk) 23:05, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
I have removed several non- RELIABLE sources used for citations in the article. These include BARE-URL citations to YouTube and Twitter. See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Sources for details. Proven, official twitter feeds may be present in the External links section in some instances, but almost never used as citations. YouTube has its own rules, too (see link above). Thanks, GenQuest "Talk to Me" 15:11, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. The majority of guideline-based arguments supported a move. The opposition is noted and respected, but the visibility of this village in recent conflict has resulted in much more English-language coverage than might be expected for something this size, and the relevant section of WP:ENGLISH for if it didn't have such coverage can be read in several directions of supporting or opposing the page move in this case. ( non-admin closure) Vaticidalprophet ( talk) 22:02, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Talış, Tartar →
Talish, Tartar – Changing the name as per WP:COMMONNAME. 1. The population through recorded history until 2020 was overwhelmingly Armenian and referred to the village by the native name "Talish". 2. Reputable media refers to the village solely by Talish, can't find any instances of the use "Talış". 3. Google Scholar: "Talish" "Karabakh": 230
[1]; "Talış" "Karabakh": 69
[2]; 4. Finally, and most crucially, I can't find any evidence that the official name used by the Azerbaijani government is actually "Talış". Maybe I am just failing to find it, and if so please provide a source, but even when announcing the capture of the village in 2020, Aliyev used the word "Talish", not "Talış"
[3]. Thus, this may be both the WP:COMMONNAME AND the official name. In either case, this seems like a pretty clear-cut case for page moving, but I am using this template to address any possible concerns regarding this issue, so please reply if there are any.
Achemish (
talk)
05:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Dear 212.58.103.30, you made an edit first removing the sentence entirely without explanation, then after that removal was reverted, you moved the sentence from the lead into the body. I disagreed with this change and reverted it, stating that it is appropriate to be in the lead, but you reverted again. Let's discuss the change - why do you feel that the sentence should not be in the lead, but rather in the body? The former Armenian population of the village is a very important fact, and according to Wikipedia guidelines, the lead should summarize the most important points. What is your reasoning for removing it? Achemish ( talk) 02:43, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Why is the information about population prior to 1989 stated in the beginning of the article? Are you trying to inject political propaganda of yours into article? If it is really important to mention it in article then should we mention this information in every village of Karabakh and former Zangezur? Because believe me I can show you hundreds of villages which had Azerbaijani majority before 1989 but now have zero Azerbaijani. Let’s start with Shurnukh for example. Do you agree to do the same in that article? 212.58.103.30 ( talk) 07:35, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
The question is not about "including" but putting in the beginning of the article. Although each article is handled individually, if they are the part of the same frame, then should be handled in the same context. If you highlight the info of one ethnicity in the lead of the article, but prefer to "hide" the information regarding other ethnicity in similar articles, that it is definetly a political propaganda. -- 212.58.103.31 ( talk) 19:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)