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The article currently reads like one that favors Taiwan independence. It does not represent in a balanced way the reunification side. Strong citations, which are glaringly absent, would be needed for the assertion that the majority of "Taiwanese" are the descendants of aborigines and ethnic Han. Ironically, the true aborigines are some of the strongest supporters of the pan-blue coalition these days. Ngchen ( talk) 02:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
OK, books.google.com and scholar.google.com seems to show that the topic is notable. It may help to use some of these sources to add to the article. Suntag ( talk) 04:53, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
To call it a "crisis" is a bit POV. Suggest we simply call it "Taiwanese identity" and allow the article to cover more than just the issue of Chinese imperialism's affect on Tawianese identity. Readin ( talk) 17:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I removed this from the Republic of China article as the balancing information had been removed. It might be of use for this article.
Readin ( talk) 13:34, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
KMT policies that promoted social discrimination, suppression of both Taiwanese culture and linguistic expression, and an unequivocal concept of "one China" all further alienated the Taiwanese and helped to foster a new "Taiwan identity."
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I think we should discuss the issue together in Talk:Sinicization#Taiwan, as the issues are related.-- pyl ( talk) 18:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Republic_of_China.2FTaiwanese_Identity
This article seems to have some serious overlap problems with the Taiwanese People article. We need to more clearly define what each article is about and put information in the appropriate article, with cross-references as needed.
To get the discussion started, some topics that need covering and where they belong:
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This Taiwanese Identity article should, I believe, cover the question of what makes a person say "I am Taiwanese". This not a legal question, it is a question of how one views oneself. To a lesser extent it should also answer the question of why outsiders will identify a person as "Taiwanese". The article should also cover the history of those questions.
The Taiwanese People article should be a description of the people. The tricky part is defining "which" people we're talking about. This may inevitably lead to discussions about identity and legal definitions. Readin ( talk) 14:35, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
The major problem of this article is that its topic is not defined precisely enough. I suppose what makes the topic relevant is not the common identity of the people that live in certain geographic space but the identity that emerges from shared political environment, namely the national identity. In this way Taiwanese identity is a political project, closely related to taiwanese internal political struggles. it is not the matter of what taiwanese identity really is, but how different political poles try to construct it. Tetapehta ( talk) 08:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 03:56, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
This article has serious NPOV issues. I suggest that we merge it with Taiwanese people and delete it. The lead is basically an editorial (which I've replaced), the history section is redundant with Histoty of Taiwan (and Taiwan) and poorly sourced. DrIdiot ( talk) 18:21, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
I've already merged the sourced sections of the History section here as well as the polling into Taiwanese people. The rest I think isn't really worth merging. It's either unsourced or poorly written (e.g. "Different perspectives of history" and "Relationship between Taiwanese identity and Chinese identity"). DrIdiot ( talk) 19:49, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
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The article currently reads like one that favors Taiwan independence. It does not represent in a balanced way the reunification side. Strong citations, which are glaringly absent, would be needed for the assertion that the majority of "Taiwanese" are the descendants of aborigines and ethnic Han. Ironically, the true aborigines are some of the strongest supporters of the pan-blue coalition these days. Ngchen ( talk) 02:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
OK, books.google.com and scholar.google.com seems to show that the topic is notable. It may help to use some of these sources to add to the article. Suntag ( talk) 04:53, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
To call it a "crisis" is a bit POV. Suggest we simply call it "Taiwanese identity" and allow the article to cover more than just the issue of Chinese imperialism's affect on Tawianese identity. Readin ( talk) 17:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I removed this from the Republic of China article as the balancing information had been removed. It might be of use for this article.
Readin ( talk) 13:34, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
KMT policies that promoted social discrimination, suppression of both Taiwanese culture and linguistic expression, and an unequivocal concept of "one China" all further alienated the Taiwanese and helped to foster a new "Taiwan identity."
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I think we should discuss the issue together in Talk:Sinicization#Taiwan, as the issues are related.-- pyl ( talk) 18:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Republic_of_China.2FTaiwanese_Identity
This article seems to have some serious overlap problems with the Taiwanese People article. We need to more clearly define what each article is about and put information in the appropriate article, with cross-references as needed.
To get the discussion started, some topics that need covering and where they belong:
Readin (
talk)
14:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
This Taiwanese Identity article should, I believe, cover the question of what makes a person say "I am Taiwanese". This not a legal question, it is a question of how one views oneself. To a lesser extent it should also answer the question of why outsiders will identify a person as "Taiwanese". The article should also cover the history of those questions.
The Taiwanese People article should be a description of the people. The tricky part is defining "which" people we're talking about. This may inevitably lead to discussions about identity and legal definitions. Readin ( talk) 14:35, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
The major problem of this article is that its topic is not defined precisely enough. I suppose what makes the topic relevant is not the common identity of the people that live in certain geographic space but the identity that emerges from shared political environment, namely the national identity. In this way Taiwanese identity is a political project, closely related to taiwanese internal political struggles. it is not the matter of what taiwanese identity really is, but how different political poles try to construct it. Tetapehta ( talk) 08:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 03:56, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
This article has serious NPOV issues. I suggest that we merge it with Taiwanese people and delete it. The lead is basically an editorial (which I've replaced), the history section is redundant with Histoty of Taiwan (and Taiwan) and poorly sourced. DrIdiot ( talk) 18:21, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
I've already merged the sourced sections of the History section here as well as the polling into Taiwanese people. The rest I think isn't really worth merging. It's either unsourced or poorly written (e.g. "Different perspectives of history" and "Relationship between Taiwanese identity and Chinese identity"). DrIdiot ( talk) 19:49, 7 March 2021 (UTC)