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Perhaps this article should be renamed Phillip Field - the Taito is a title, and we dont have a Sir Edmund Hillary... As far as I know the naming convention is to leave honorifics out of the title. Any discussion would be appreciated -- Mostlyharmless 06:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
The style guide says that "Do not use [titles] as part of a title of an article...the article itself should clarify details such as the full title, etc." Brian | (Talk) 10:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I've changed the name because the convention for matais is well established in wikipedia. Eg, Su'a William Sio, Tuala Falani Chan Tung, Fiame Naomi Mata'afa, Laulu Fetauimalemau Mata'afa, Le Mamea Matatumua Ata, Matatumua Maimoaga etc etc. Nurg 02:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Samoan chiefly names are not titles as the English language uses and understands the word /meaning of title. Nor is it an honorific. A Samoan matai name(commonly called a title by New Zealand media etc)is a real, actual name which comes at the beginning of ones names after one recieves it at a proper investiture. That name must not be edited the way print media does in New Zealand. It reflects a big & serious misunderstanding or ignorance on their part. Thus to debate whether Taito should 'have' his matai name or not written in at the 'pleasure' of people from another culture is absolutely wrong and rude & is none of the media's business! ` Fatugalelei 01:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the following text:
Samoan Community Looking beyond Labour Party While Labour Party politicians may feel that they can continue to count on the vote and support of the Samoan community, there is a growing feeling of anger which many chiefs and orators feel against Labour leader Helen Clark and the way she has dealt with Taito. Samoan leaders are also questioning seriously the taking for granted of their vote by the Labour Party. The gesture of good will and support given to Taito by the Maori Party was not dismissed as some in the media might like to think. Should Maori feel that they can and would like to conduct solid and meaningful relations with the Samoan leaders, the cultivation of their Polynesian bond and connection could prove to be a powerful potential to develop for answering some of the common challenges that Pakeha society throws out to Maori and Pacific people often.'
As it is, this is unsourced opinion and inappropriate because essentially it is editorial-type comment. But perhaps this should be discussed here and some compromise achieved, with, say, some quotes on both sides of the issue. Not all Samoan leaders support Philip Field and this should probably be reflected in the entry, if indeed any of it is appropriate. I have reproduced the comments in full here so there can be a proper discussion. Kiwimw 18:18, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
The angle taken in editing out the text I wrote suggests that just because some Samoan leaders do not support Taito, that therefore the article is not a credible piece of writing or opinion that is worth displaying. Like your discussion on whether the matai name Taito should be used or not, there will not be uniform agreement on issues such as these. The importance of displaying this article / text is to show that public opinion will always be based on peoples perception and their analyses of a situation. And factual material while useful and contributes to knowledge would be of limited use especially in what would be an important change in the thinking of, in this particular case, the Samoan community. The fact that Maori have shown interest politically in Taito to join them is not just a passing phase. It will develop. I say put the text back please. Fatugalelei 01:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)01:32, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
With Mr Field's current imprisonment, does it still exist? Nothing has been heard from it since last year's general election Calibanu ( talk) 01:16, 29 November 2009 (UTC)User Calibanu
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Know a lot of blondes from Nigeria? That's clearly in Melanesia somewhere (the Solomons maybe). Also the wreaths, and the lack of New Zealand government contacts with Africa in general, and Nigeria in particular. 115.188.173.66 ( talk) 13:14, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
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Perhaps this article should be renamed Phillip Field - the Taito is a title, and we dont have a Sir Edmund Hillary... As far as I know the naming convention is to leave honorifics out of the title. Any discussion would be appreciated -- Mostlyharmless 06:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
The style guide says that "Do not use [titles] as part of a title of an article...the article itself should clarify details such as the full title, etc." Brian | (Talk) 10:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I've changed the name because the convention for matais is well established in wikipedia. Eg, Su'a William Sio, Tuala Falani Chan Tung, Fiame Naomi Mata'afa, Laulu Fetauimalemau Mata'afa, Le Mamea Matatumua Ata, Matatumua Maimoaga etc etc. Nurg 02:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Samoan chiefly names are not titles as the English language uses and understands the word /meaning of title. Nor is it an honorific. A Samoan matai name(commonly called a title by New Zealand media etc)is a real, actual name which comes at the beginning of ones names after one recieves it at a proper investiture. That name must not be edited the way print media does in New Zealand. It reflects a big & serious misunderstanding or ignorance on their part. Thus to debate whether Taito should 'have' his matai name or not written in at the 'pleasure' of people from another culture is absolutely wrong and rude & is none of the media's business! ` Fatugalelei 01:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the following text:
Samoan Community Looking beyond Labour Party While Labour Party politicians may feel that they can continue to count on the vote and support of the Samoan community, there is a growing feeling of anger which many chiefs and orators feel against Labour leader Helen Clark and the way she has dealt with Taito. Samoan leaders are also questioning seriously the taking for granted of their vote by the Labour Party. The gesture of good will and support given to Taito by the Maori Party was not dismissed as some in the media might like to think. Should Maori feel that they can and would like to conduct solid and meaningful relations with the Samoan leaders, the cultivation of their Polynesian bond and connection could prove to be a powerful potential to develop for answering some of the common challenges that Pakeha society throws out to Maori and Pacific people often.'
As it is, this is unsourced opinion and inappropriate because essentially it is editorial-type comment. But perhaps this should be discussed here and some compromise achieved, with, say, some quotes on both sides of the issue. Not all Samoan leaders support Philip Field and this should probably be reflected in the entry, if indeed any of it is appropriate. I have reproduced the comments in full here so there can be a proper discussion. Kiwimw 18:18, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
The angle taken in editing out the text I wrote suggests that just because some Samoan leaders do not support Taito, that therefore the article is not a credible piece of writing or opinion that is worth displaying. Like your discussion on whether the matai name Taito should be used or not, there will not be uniform agreement on issues such as these. The importance of displaying this article / text is to show that public opinion will always be based on peoples perception and their analyses of a situation. And factual material while useful and contributes to knowledge would be of limited use especially in what would be an important change in the thinking of, in this particular case, the Samoan community. The fact that Maori have shown interest politically in Taito to join them is not just a passing phase. It will develop. I say put the text back please. Fatugalelei 01:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)01:32, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
With Mr Field's current imprisonment, does it still exist? Nothing has been heard from it since last year's general election Calibanu ( talk) 01:16, 29 November 2009 (UTC)User Calibanu
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Know a lot of blondes from Nigeria? That's clearly in Melanesia somewhere (the Solomons maybe). Also the wreaths, and the lack of New Zealand government contacts with Africa in general, and Nigeria in particular. 115.188.173.66 ( talk) 13:14, 12 April 2019 (UTC)