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The last paragraph in the lead does not really fit with the rest. And it was already mentioned that it opened in 2004. Maybe incorporate that information into the first paragraph?
According to the guidelines, everything that is already linked in the lead section should be linked in the main text again. This is why I didn't even look for a link in the lead.
Jens Lallensack (
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20:37, 27 October 2023 (UTC)reply
It displaced the Bank of America Tower in Manhattan as the world's tallest and highest-use green building in addition to the Environmental Protection Agency building in Florida as the world's largest green building. – I do not really understand that sentence. What does "highest-use" mean? How can it replace two world's tallest buildings at once?
The history section is confusing. The "Development" is talking about several things happening after construction. I think it should be structured in chronological order, first planning, construction, and then later development. This needs some major rework I think.
2015–2016: It is the fourth time Groupe F designed the firework show for Taipei 101, with a green theme "Nature is Future" this year. – "this year"? What year? 2015 or 2016?
All information has to be sourced, which is an non-negotiable GA criterion. If no sources can be found, it might indicate that the information is not very relevant, or at least not super important. However, removing just the year entries without source while leaving the others is not possible because the list would be incomplete. I recommend to move the whole list of yearly entries to the article
Taipei New Year's Eve Party. If you can, try to get some general sentences in that are not year-specific; e.g. how long the fireworks last in general, and everything that seems relevant. --
Jens Lallensack (
talk)
20:27, 18 November 2023 (UTC)reply
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Knowledgegatherer23: I just saw
the content including the firework display introduction. It was not releated to this article. I think the firework history contents should move to "
Taipei 101 New Yaer Fireworks" instead. Also, I recommend the article "Taipei New Year's Eve Party" to be translated from
Chinese Wikipedia since it includes the introduction, history, and TV broadcast summary of the event. (It was re-written by myself.) Sinsyuan loves Taiwan’s Ozone
02:19, 7 December 2023 (UTC)reply
It also gained attention on YouTube, where viewers noticed an apparent "UFO" in the seconds before the fireworks started, later determined to be a radio-controlled glider with lights.[51] – Is this significant enough? In any case, it should be supported with a reliable source, not with a youtube link.
"Height" section has a structure problem. It first is about height, then about tallest buildings, then about height again, then about tallest buildings again. Some information is given twice.
Indeed, 60 meters per second sounds like a lot, and should be checked. But I was only referring to the typography (don't use two subsequent brackets; just combine into a single one).
Jens Lallensack (
talk)
00:06, 7 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Many one-sentence paragraphs present, for example the "Awards" section, which should be turned into a continuous text.
Section "Floor directory": Single-sentence paragraphs should be avoided whenever possible. The section currently reads like a random assemblage of information, but should be a congruent text.
For 12 years it also had the fastest elevator, at 38 miles per hour. – Taiwan uses kilometers, not miles, right? So this should be in km/h, with conversion to miles.
Taipei 101 is the first record-setting skyscraper to be constructed in the 21st century. – This is marketing blabla without any meaning, and does not seem to be encyclopedic. I suggest to either remove or specify what those records are (I think they are discussed elsewhere in the article already anyways).
The original 2004 fiber-optic and satellite Internet connections permitted transfer speeds up to a gigabit per second.[53] – This is an isolated piece of information that does not fit in. If you keep that information, then you should also mention what connections were implemented later (the sentence is in past tense, implying that the original internet connections are no longer in use).
There is a reply above that you did not responded to: Indeed, 60 meters per second sounds like a lot, and should be checked. – Did you check if this is correct? Is this point still outstanding?
Source 91 is supposed to cite the "VIP club". However, that article does not mention the club as far as I can see. Only the user comments below it mention it. And those are not high-quality sources.
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Knowledgegatherer23: Stopping here for now (I only checked 1/4 of the sources). We seem to have a serious issue with dead sources, since most had not been properly rescued using the wayback machine (internet archive). I should have checked this earlier. I fear that dead sources have to be replaced, or the information they support removed, but I am not sure and will be happy to ask how to best deal with such cases. Let me know what you think, first. The text itself looks fine for me now apart from the new points above; the sources seem to be the last deal breaker. --
Jens Lallensack (
talk)
03:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Knowledgegatherer23: I was able to fix the problem with all the dead links by following the instructions in
WP:Link rot and using a bot. Many of my points above are solved now thanks to this. I here list the few last open issues, and then we can finally promote this one. You may ignore the comments above.
Taipei 101 claimed the official records for the world's tallest sundial and the world's largest New Year's Eve countdown clock. – Needs a source.
Regarding my comment on source 15 that is behind a paywall: Please note that we do not have to remove sources just because they are behind a paywall. That is completely fine. I was just asking for adding "|url-access=subscription" to the citation. --
Jens Lallensack (
talk)
13:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Source 30 (Publicly posted material, Floor 89, Taipei 101. 17 August 2007) is not an acceptable source and needs to be removed or replaced (see my comment above)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The last paragraph in the lead does not really fit with the rest. And it was already mentioned that it opened in 2004. Maybe incorporate that information into the first paragraph?
According to the guidelines, everything that is already linked in the lead section should be linked in the main text again. This is why I didn't even look for a link in the lead.
Jens Lallensack (
talk)
20:37, 27 October 2023 (UTC)reply
It displaced the Bank of America Tower in Manhattan as the world's tallest and highest-use green building in addition to the Environmental Protection Agency building in Florida as the world's largest green building. – I do not really understand that sentence. What does "highest-use" mean? How can it replace two world's tallest buildings at once?
The history section is confusing. The "Development" is talking about several things happening after construction. I think it should be structured in chronological order, first planning, construction, and then later development. This needs some major rework I think.
2015–2016: It is the fourth time Groupe F designed the firework show for Taipei 101, with a green theme "Nature is Future" this year. – "this year"? What year? 2015 or 2016?
All information has to be sourced, which is an non-negotiable GA criterion. If no sources can be found, it might indicate that the information is not very relevant, or at least not super important. However, removing just the year entries without source while leaving the others is not possible because the list would be incomplete. I recommend to move the whole list of yearly entries to the article
Taipei New Year's Eve Party. If you can, try to get some general sentences in that are not year-specific; e.g. how long the fireworks last in general, and everything that seems relevant. --
Jens Lallensack (
talk)
20:27, 18 November 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Knowledgegatherer23: I just saw
the content including the firework display introduction. It was not releated to this article. I think the firework history contents should move to "
Taipei 101 New Yaer Fireworks" instead. Also, I recommend the article "Taipei New Year's Eve Party" to be translated from
Chinese Wikipedia since it includes the introduction, history, and TV broadcast summary of the event. (It was re-written by myself.) Sinsyuan loves Taiwan’s Ozone
02:19, 7 December 2023 (UTC)reply
It also gained attention on YouTube, where viewers noticed an apparent "UFO" in the seconds before the fireworks started, later determined to be a radio-controlled glider with lights.[51] – Is this significant enough? In any case, it should be supported with a reliable source, not with a youtube link.
"Height" section has a structure problem. It first is about height, then about tallest buildings, then about height again, then about tallest buildings again. Some information is given twice.
Indeed, 60 meters per second sounds like a lot, and should be checked. But I was only referring to the typography (don't use two subsequent brackets; just combine into a single one).
Jens Lallensack (
talk)
00:06, 7 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Many one-sentence paragraphs present, for example the "Awards" section, which should be turned into a continuous text.
Section "Floor directory": Single-sentence paragraphs should be avoided whenever possible. The section currently reads like a random assemblage of information, but should be a congruent text.
For 12 years it also had the fastest elevator, at 38 miles per hour. – Taiwan uses kilometers, not miles, right? So this should be in km/h, with conversion to miles.
Taipei 101 is the first record-setting skyscraper to be constructed in the 21st century. – This is marketing blabla without any meaning, and does not seem to be encyclopedic. I suggest to either remove or specify what those records are (I think they are discussed elsewhere in the article already anyways).
The original 2004 fiber-optic and satellite Internet connections permitted transfer speeds up to a gigabit per second.[53] – This is an isolated piece of information that does not fit in. If you keep that information, then you should also mention what connections were implemented later (the sentence is in past tense, implying that the original internet connections are no longer in use).
There is a reply above that you did not responded to: Indeed, 60 meters per second sounds like a lot, and should be checked. – Did you check if this is correct? Is this point still outstanding?
Source 91 is supposed to cite the "VIP club". However, that article does not mention the club as far as I can see. Only the user comments below it mention it. And those are not high-quality sources.
@
Knowledgegatherer23: Stopping here for now (I only checked 1/4 of the sources). We seem to have a serious issue with dead sources, since most had not been properly rescued using the wayback machine (internet archive). I should have checked this earlier. I fear that dead sources have to be replaced, or the information they support removed, but I am not sure and will be happy to ask how to best deal with such cases. Let me know what you think, first. The text itself looks fine for me now apart from the new points above; the sources seem to be the last deal breaker. --
Jens Lallensack (
talk)
03:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Knowledgegatherer23: I was able to fix the problem with all the dead links by following the instructions in
WP:Link rot and using a bot. Many of my points above are solved now thanks to this. I here list the few last open issues, and then we can finally promote this one. You may ignore the comments above.
Taipei 101 claimed the official records for the world's tallest sundial and the world's largest New Year's Eve countdown clock. – Needs a source.
Regarding my comment on source 15 that is behind a paywall: Please note that we do not have to remove sources just because they are behind a paywall. That is completely fine. I was just asking for adding "|url-access=subscription" to the citation. --
Jens Lallensack (
talk)
13:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Source 30 (Publicly posted material, Floor 89, Taipei 101. 17 August 2007) is not an acceptable source and needs to be removed or replaced (see my comment above)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.