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Throughout the page, the spelling varies between "Tai chi" and "Tai Chi". Can we pick one (perhaps the one used in the page's title, although I personally prefer both words capitalized) and change the other? Kumagoro-42 ( talk) 23:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
There are a lot of Tai chi-related articles that use a different version of the name than that used here. For example: T'ai chi classics, Chen-style taijiquan, Yangjia Michuan Taiji Quan, Yang-style t'ai chi ch'uan, Wu-style t'ai chi ch'uan, Sun-style t'ai chi ch'uan, Wudang t'ai chi ch'uan, Zhaobao t'ai chi ch'uan, Guang Ping Yang t'ai chi ch'uan, etc. Needless to say, this really harms readability. I'm neutral on what name Wikipedia should use for this topic, but can we agree for sanity's sake to keep it consistent?
I'm going to cross-post links to this discussion on several related articles and boards so that we can hopefully come to a real consensus on this. (Note: for some context on why "Tai chi" is the current page name, see here and here). SilverStar54 ( talk) 06:13, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. WP:COMMONNAME ( non-admin closure) SilverLocust ( talk) 02:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Tai chi → ? – Note to admins: please keep this discussion posted for at least few weeks even if there's consensus on a move; last time a number of editors missed the window to participate.
The current title of this page, "Tai chi" is a less common
equally common version of Tai Chi, the English-language
WP:COMMONNAME for this art. That's the simplest option for a move, but editors have
pointed out two issues with that name. First, although "Tai Chi" is based on the
Wade-Giles romanization of 太極, it doesn't use correct Wade-Giles conventions (should be "T'ai Chi"). Second, it's
imprecise. I'm not an expert, but it seems that T'ai Chi refers to the philosophy that the martial art is based on (太極), not the martial art itself (太極拳).
The two alternative suggestions are T'ai Chi Ch'uan (the correct way of writing 太極拳 in Wade-Giles) and Taijiquan, the way 太極拳 is romanized in pinyin. These are more precise but less common. Taijiquan has the additional advantage of being in pinyin, which is the romanization system considered standard these days. The Google ngram comparing usage over time
I'd be happy with any of these alternatives (Tai Chi, T'ai Chi Ch'uan, or Taijiquan), so long as we keep all of the related pages consistent. My tentative vote is for Taijiquan, because even though it's less common than Tai Chi, it is more precise and uses the modern system of romanization used elsewhere on Wikipedia. SilverStar54 ( talk) 16:53, 13 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE TALK TO ME/ STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 07:28, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
I'd need to see a pretty strong argument that tai chi is "wrong" enough..." — That it's ambiguous, and refers also to the Yin-Yang or Tai Chi disc or symbol ( tàijítú as distinct from tàijíquán), is a strong reason Tai chi should be a disambiguation page like Taiji (disambiguation). – .Raven .talk 15:55, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
neither taiji nor taijitu are called 'tai chi' in English"Not to wall-of-text you, here are three examples:
tai chi: 602,832" -and- "
T'ai Chi: 58,757"
So, we got notification at WP:CHINA that this article is currently listed at Wikipedia:Articles for improvement, which I'd never heard of. And it uh needs a lot of improvement!
Is anyone active here who was involved in creating this article? I feel like there was some nonsense a few years back (not involving the {{ wg-apos}} used in article titles against consensus), but I can't remember anything clearly. Why is there a huge family tree tagged as Original Research? Does anyone have any details on any of the books listed without isbns? Or page numbers from anything?
Also the layout could use some work. There are a lot of lists that could be prose, and a lot of stuff explained using only Chinese martial arts or Chinese medicine terms that don't really establish what they mean. And the health benefits section looks like someone did a search for tai chi related medical articles and gave them each a two sentence summary ordered by year.
I took care of a lot of trivial punctuation and formatting issues, and I don't have a clear way forwards to propose, but I'm hoping some people involved in content creation for this article are currently active to help out, because there's a lot of work to be done. Folly Mox ( talk) 08:36, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Taiji (philosophy) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 18:46, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
The redirect Taichi has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 6 § Taichi until a consensus is reached. SilverStar54 ( talk) 02:59, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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Current status: Former good article nominee |
This page has archives. Sections older than 90 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 5 sections are present. |
This article was selected as the article for improvement on 3 July 2023 for a period of one week. |
Throughout the page, the spelling varies between "Tai chi" and "Tai Chi". Can we pick one (perhaps the one used in the page's title, although I personally prefer both words capitalized) and change the other? Kumagoro-42 ( talk) 23:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
There are a lot of Tai chi-related articles that use a different version of the name than that used here. For example: T'ai chi classics, Chen-style taijiquan, Yangjia Michuan Taiji Quan, Yang-style t'ai chi ch'uan, Wu-style t'ai chi ch'uan, Sun-style t'ai chi ch'uan, Wudang t'ai chi ch'uan, Zhaobao t'ai chi ch'uan, Guang Ping Yang t'ai chi ch'uan, etc. Needless to say, this really harms readability. I'm neutral on what name Wikipedia should use for this topic, but can we agree for sanity's sake to keep it consistent?
I'm going to cross-post links to this discussion on several related articles and boards so that we can hopefully come to a real consensus on this. (Note: for some context on why "Tai chi" is the current page name, see here and here). SilverStar54 ( talk) 06:13, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. WP:COMMONNAME ( non-admin closure) SilverLocust ( talk) 02:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Tai chi → ? – Note to admins: please keep this discussion posted for at least few weeks even if there's consensus on a move; last time a number of editors missed the window to participate.
The current title of this page, "Tai chi" is a less common
equally common version of Tai Chi, the English-language
WP:COMMONNAME for this art. That's the simplest option for a move, but editors have
pointed out two issues with that name. First, although "Tai Chi" is based on the
Wade-Giles romanization of 太極, it doesn't use correct Wade-Giles conventions (should be "T'ai Chi"). Second, it's
imprecise. I'm not an expert, but it seems that T'ai Chi refers to the philosophy that the martial art is based on (太極), not the martial art itself (太極拳).
The two alternative suggestions are T'ai Chi Ch'uan (the correct way of writing 太極拳 in Wade-Giles) and Taijiquan, the way 太極拳 is romanized in pinyin. These are more precise but less common. Taijiquan has the additional advantage of being in pinyin, which is the romanization system considered standard these days. The Google ngram comparing usage over time
I'd be happy with any of these alternatives (Tai Chi, T'ai Chi Ch'uan, or Taijiquan), so long as we keep all of the related pages consistent. My tentative vote is for Taijiquan, because even though it's less common than Tai Chi, it is more precise and uses the modern system of romanization used elsewhere on Wikipedia. SilverStar54 ( talk) 16:53, 13 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE TALK TO ME/ STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 07:28, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
I'd need to see a pretty strong argument that tai chi is "wrong" enough..." — That it's ambiguous, and refers also to the Yin-Yang or Tai Chi disc or symbol ( tàijítú as distinct from tàijíquán), is a strong reason Tai chi should be a disambiguation page like Taiji (disambiguation). – .Raven .talk 15:55, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
neither taiji nor taijitu are called 'tai chi' in English"Not to wall-of-text you, here are three examples:
tai chi: 602,832" -and- "
T'ai Chi: 58,757"
So, we got notification at WP:CHINA that this article is currently listed at Wikipedia:Articles for improvement, which I'd never heard of. And it uh needs a lot of improvement!
Is anyone active here who was involved in creating this article? I feel like there was some nonsense a few years back (not involving the {{ wg-apos}} used in article titles against consensus), but I can't remember anything clearly. Why is there a huge family tree tagged as Original Research? Does anyone have any details on any of the books listed without isbns? Or page numbers from anything?
Also the layout could use some work. There are a lot of lists that could be prose, and a lot of stuff explained using only Chinese martial arts or Chinese medicine terms that don't really establish what they mean. And the health benefits section looks like someone did a search for tai chi related medical articles and gave them each a two sentence summary ordered by year.
I took care of a lot of trivial punctuation and formatting issues, and I don't have a clear way forwards to propose, but I'm hoping some people involved in content creation for this article are currently active to help out, because there's a lot of work to be done. Folly Mox ( talk) 08:36, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Taiji (philosophy) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 18:46, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
The redirect Taichi has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 6 § Taichi until a consensus is reached. SilverStar54 ( talk) 02:59, 6 November 2023 (UTC)