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Are there any sound samples of this language being spoken? It would greatly clarify the article, I think, to be able to hear all these sounds. grendel| khan 17:08, 2005 Mar 22 (UTC)
I agree Mark O'Sullivan 13:22, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
Can someone add a close IPA description of how to pronounce !Xóõ? Guaka 13:27, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
Begin with your simple post-alveolar click and as your velum drops hold it there for a voicless fricative (like German) and the tip of your tongue should go into the /o/ position (with rounded lips of course), raise the tone, and make a long /o/ sound, with the latter end being nasalized (which kind of makes it diphthong, but with the same vowel quality). I think the article says you can make a velar nasal or a palatal nasal as the second /o/, rather than a nasal vowel. JesseRafe 05:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I would also like to see an IPA transcription of !Xóõ. All indications seem to be that it's [k!xóõ] or [k!xóŋ]. Should we wait longer to see if anyone is confident enough about this? Commander Nemet 01:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I've made an improvement to the current tables, and they need to be double-checked before incoporated into the article. -- Puzzlet Chung 03:38, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Non-click consonants
bilab. | dental | post. dent. | velar | uvular | ||
stop | p | t | ts | k | q | |
voiced | b | d | dz | g | G | |
asp. | ph | th | tsh | kh | qh | |
asp. voiced | bh | dh | dzh | |||
uv. fric. | tx | tsx | ||||
voiced | dtx | dtsx | ||||
ejective | ts' | kx' | q' | |||
voiced | dts' | gkx' | ||||
eje. uv. | t'x' | ts'x' | ||||
prevo. | dt'x' | dts'x' | ||||
fricative | s | x | ||||
nasal | m | n | ||||
glot. | m' | n' |
Click consonants
bilab. | dental | post. dent. | palatal | lateral | ||
velar | k@ | k| | k! | k= | k|| | |
voiced | g@ | g| | g! | g= | g|| | |
nasal | n@ | n| | n! | n= | n|| | |
preglot. | 'n@ | 'n| | 'n! | 'n= | 'n|| | |
unv. | N@ | N| | N! | N= | N|| | |
uvu. | q@ | q| | q! | q= | q|| | |
voiced | G@ | G| | G! | G= | G|| | |
asp. | q@h | q|h | q!h | q=h | q||h | |
uvu. fric. | k@x | k|x | k!x | k=x | k||x | |
eje. uvu. | q@' | q|' | q!' | q=' | q||' | |
affr. | k@x' | k|x' | k!x' | k=x' | k||x' | |
asp. vel. | k@h | k|h | k!h | k=h | k||h | |
glot. | k@' | k|' | k!' | k=' | k||' | |
voiced | uvu. fric. | gk@x | gk|x | gk!x | gk=x | gk||x |
asp. | gh@ | g|h | g!h | g=h | g||h | |
uvu. eje. | gk@x' | gk|x' | gk!x' | gk=x' | gk||x' |
A little info is needed on the people that speak this language.
Gringo300 2 July 2005 05:30 (UTC)
It is prepositional, and genitives, adjectives, relative clauses and even numbers come after the nouns to which they apply.
At first I thought this was talking about "even numbers" -- meaning non-odd numbers. I later realized that's probably not what's meant. I know it's not a big deal and most people (at least native English speakers) won't have a problem with it, but still I'd suggest someone who's sure about this rephrase that in an unambiguous way.-- Cotoco 21:31, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Is anyone able to access the phonology link at the bottom of the page? I don't know if it's just me, if it may be temporarily unavailable, or if the page has been completely deleted. Perhaps it just needs an update?-- Hotchy 04:58, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Just completely randomly, would it be rather nifty to have audio samples of some of these more unusual phoenetics, so that folks uninitiated in the more advanced material can get a hang of things? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.68.87.209 ( talk • contribs)
What is the source for Peter Ladefoged's analysis of the clicks? thefamouseccles|Thefamouseccles 01:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Given the huge phonemic inventory, I was wondering if someone could wirte on the article if there are any/many homophones in ǃXóõ, since presumably it would be easy to avoid them. I mean words like "bird" and "wardrobe" being the same, not the extended semantic web of "head", BTW.-- Estrellador* 18:03, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
What's with those "Ingressive voiceless nasal with delayed aspiration (↓ŋ̊ʰ)" anyway? Aren't all clicks supposed to be ingressive by definition anyway? And the only language with egressive clicks is Damin, as far as I know. — N-true ( talk) 03:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I added unreferenced tags because:
However, I'd say this is a really interesting article. And if it helps my linguistics...
Trouts! ( talk) 17:53, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
The article now includes this sentence:
That is, the name Taʼa may be dialectically [kǃxóŋ], and this in turn may be phonemically /kǃxóɲ/, since [ɲ] does not occur word-finally. However, this cannot explain the short nasal vowels, so Taʼa has at least 31 vowels.
Is this correct, or is this just a leftover from when the article was entitled !Xóõ? Soap Talk/ Contributions 16:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
??! Could anyone please explain to me why the consonant tables of East !Xoon are in IPA and the consonant tables of West !Xoon are in a "practical orthography" (which, for the most part, is fairly similar)? -- JorisvS ( talk) 10:25, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Kwami, it seems that you added the phonology for West Koon, but there isn't a reference for it. I'm trying to locate a published (or at least available) source for the DoBeS analysis, but with no luck. -- Taivo ( talk) 19:55, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I would like to ask if there is a particular reason for the choice of the phrase. If that is not the case it might be considered quite inappropriate for the article. Shiniri ( talk) 22:20, 23 November 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shiniri ( talk • contribs) 20:35, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
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Are there any sound samples of this language being spoken? It would greatly clarify the article, I think, to be able to hear all these sounds. grendel| khan 17:08, 2005 Mar 22 (UTC)
I agree Mark O'Sullivan 13:22, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
Can someone add a close IPA description of how to pronounce !Xóõ? Guaka 13:27, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
Begin with your simple post-alveolar click and as your velum drops hold it there for a voicless fricative (like German) and the tip of your tongue should go into the /o/ position (with rounded lips of course), raise the tone, and make a long /o/ sound, with the latter end being nasalized (which kind of makes it diphthong, but with the same vowel quality). I think the article says you can make a velar nasal or a palatal nasal as the second /o/, rather than a nasal vowel. JesseRafe 05:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I would also like to see an IPA transcription of !Xóõ. All indications seem to be that it's [k!xóõ] or [k!xóŋ]. Should we wait longer to see if anyone is confident enough about this? Commander Nemet 01:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I've made an improvement to the current tables, and they need to be double-checked before incoporated into the article. -- Puzzlet Chung 03:38, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Non-click consonants
bilab. | dental | post. dent. | velar | uvular | ||
stop | p | t | ts | k | q | |
voiced | b | d | dz | g | G | |
asp. | ph | th | tsh | kh | qh | |
asp. voiced | bh | dh | dzh | |||
uv. fric. | tx | tsx | ||||
voiced | dtx | dtsx | ||||
ejective | ts' | kx' | q' | |||
voiced | dts' | gkx' | ||||
eje. uv. | t'x' | ts'x' | ||||
prevo. | dt'x' | dts'x' | ||||
fricative | s | x | ||||
nasal | m | n | ||||
glot. | m' | n' |
Click consonants
bilab. | dental | post. dent. | palatal | lateral | ||
velar | k@ | k| | k! | k= | k|| | |
voiced | g@ | g| | g! | g= | g|| | |
nasal | n@ | n| | n! | n= | n|| | |
preglot. | 'n@ | 'n| | 'n! | 'n= | 'n|| | |
unv. | N@ | N| | N! | N= | N|| | |
uvu. | q@ | q| | q! | q= | q|| | |
voiced | G@ | G| | G! | G= | G|| | |
asp. | q@h | q|h | q!h | q=h | q||h | |
uvu. fric. | k@x | k|x | k!x | k=x | k||x | |
eje. uvu. | q@' | q|' | q!' | q=' | q||' | |
affr. | k@x' | k|x' | k!x' | k=x' | k||x' | |
asp. vel. | k@h | k|h | k!h | k=h | k||h | |
glot. | k@' | k|' | k!' | k=' | k||' | |
voiced | uvu. fric. | gk@x | gk|x | gk!x | gk=x | gk||x |
asp. | gh@ | g|h | g!h | g=h | g||h | |
uvu. eje. | gk@x' | gk|x' | gk!x' | gk=x' | gk||x' |
A little info is needed on the people that speak this language.
Gringo300 2 July 2005 05:30 (UTC)
It is prepositional, and genitives, adjectives, relative clauses and even numbers come after the nouns to which they apply.
At first I thought this was talking about "even numbers" -- meaning non-odd numbers. I later realized that's probably not what's meant. I know it's not a big deal and most people (at least native English speakers) won't have a problem with it, but still I'd suggest someone who's sure about this rephrase that in an unambiguous way.-- Cotoco 21:31, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Is anyone able to access the phonology link at the bottom of the page? I don't know if it's just me, if it may be temporarily unavailable, or if the page has been completely deleted. Perhaps it just needs an update?-- Hotchy 04:58, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Just completely randomly, would it be rather nifty to have audio samples of some of these more unusual phoenetics, so that folks uninitiated in the more advanced material can get a hang of things? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.68.87.209 ( talk • contribs)
What is the source for Peter Ladefoged's analysis of the clicks? thefamouseccles|Thefamouseccles 01:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Given the huge phonemic inventory, I was wondering if someone could wirte on the article if there are any/many homophones in ǃXóõ, since presumably it would be easy to avoid them. I mean words like "bird" and "wardrobe" being the same, not the extended semantic web of "head", BTW.-- Estrellador* 18:03, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
What's with those "Ingressive voiceless nasal with delayed aspiration (↓ŋ̊ʰ)" anyway? Aren't all clicks supposed to be ingressive by definition anyway? And the only language with egressive clicks is Damin, as far as I know. — N-true ( talk) 03:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I added unreferenced tags because:
However, I'd say this is a really interesting article. And if it helps my linguistics...
Trouts! ( talk) 17:53, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
The article now includes this sentence:
That is, the name Taʼa may be dialectically [kǃxóŋ], and this in turn may be phonemically /kǃxóɲ/, since [ɲ] does not occur word-finally. However, this cannot explain the short nasal vowels, so Taʼa has at least 31 vowels.
Is this correct, or is this just a leftover from when the article was entitled !Xóõ? Soap Talk/ Contributions 16:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
??! Could anyone please explain to me why the consonant tables of East !Xoon are in IPA and the consonant tables of West !Xoon are in a "practical orthography" (which, for the most part, is fairly similar)? -- JorisvS ( talk) 10:25, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Kwami, it seems that you added the phonology for West Koon, but there isn't a reference for it. I'm trying to locate a published (or at least available) source for the DoBeS analysis, but with no luck. -- Taivo ( talk) 19:55, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I would like to ask if there is a particular reason for the choice of the phrase. If that is not the case it might be considered quite inappropriate for the article. Shiniri ( talk) 22:20, 23 November 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shiniri ( talk • contribs) 20:35, 22 November 2020 (UTC)