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Hey guys, this is a really great article. From what I can tell, you have followed the Wikipedia format for proteins very well and your writing is clear and concise while remaining packed with all of the important information. Well done-I can tell that you are closing in on the final product. The only suggestion I have for you at this point is to possibly change the heading "Other species" to "Non-human orthologs," since it is more descriptive. Other than that, awesome job. Let me know if you have any other questions.
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Thank you so much for taking the time to look at our article Abby. We really appreciate it and your heading suggestion is a great improvement. We implemented it in our page. JaimeeDavis ( talk) 00:57, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
This article is packed with facts on the genetical role TBR1 indicating thorough research on the topic. As far as small picture goes I think the article is complete. I do feel, however, that more of the big picture needs to be included such as why is this gene important? What phenotypes result from improper expression? To this extent the current research section appears to be lacking. I think elaboration in this section would help answer the big question of why TBR1 is important. On the more mechanics side of things I'd recommend including more hyperlinks for certain terms and giving a brief definition to some terms. For example, while the term transcription factor is hyperlinked I think a few words explaining what a transcription factor is would help the reader gather more from the article. Another stylistic thing to consider would be to do away with some headings and just combining the sections with only one or two sentences. As it is now the headings act more as a distraction. On a last note I'd suggest the initial paragraph be elaborated on. It should give a concise over view of TBR1 allowing the reader to understand the basics of TBR1 without reading the entire article. Anyway, overall I find the article to be very fact driven and accurate. Hope my comments help. Wesmather ( talk) 20:54, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Hey Guys! Your article is pretty comprehensive and talks about how involved the genetic role of TBR1 can be. One of the things that I would suggest is to add some pictures of TBR1 staining to your article. Also, I'm not really clear on the location of "pre-plate" and "VI neurons" so if you added a picture of TBR1 staining it could clear up some confusion there. Your "uses in research" section, although it explains how TBR1 has been used to study neurodevelopment, appears to be a little small. Maybe look up current research on TBR1 and its effects on neurogenesis/neurodevelopment. Or look up how knocking out TBR1 affects the developing structure of the cortical plate. I agree with the idea that the headings can be consolidated; however, I think all of the information in all of the sections is important to understanding the genetic importance of TBR1. I think the article does a good job explaining what TBR1 does. Good work guys, I hope these suggestions are useful. Tilearci ( talk) 10:11, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Good job so far, looks like your project is coming along nicely. I liked how you included the function of the protein in other species such as mice and lancelets. I also liked how you included all of the proteins that TBR1 regulates. I have a few suggestions for you though: The use of a couple more pictures would be nice to show the reader what the protein looks like and also adds variety to the article. I think the introduction could be a little longer as well. Instead of just saying some other names of the protein it would be helpful to include its function and other aspects about it such as its discovery. This would set up the article much better I believe and the reader would have a general understanding of TBR1 before they got into the greater details of the article. Finally, more information regarding the use of TBR1 in research would be nice to give the reader a better understanding of TBR1 in a practical sense. Solomojk ( talk) 02:45, 15 November 2011 (UTC)Solomojk
Nice start guys! I like the structure of the content--by breaking it up into headings and sub-headings it makes it much easier to understand and follow. I think the strength of the article right now is the "Gene regulation" section. By separating each protein target of the TBR1 transcription factor, the reader can understand the protein's different functions. Your citations also look thorough.
I also had few suggestions. First, I would reword the first sentence so you use your term “TBR1” at the beginning of the sentence. For example, “The TBR1 gene encodes T-box, brain, 1, a protein found in humans." Also, I would put additional information in the introduction so users who do not want to read the entire article can get a basic understanding of the gene. In terms of grammatical mistakes, “is locate” should be “is located” under the “Gene” section. Furthermore, make sure your reference to TBR1 is consistent. You use several different variations including: TBR1, Tbr1, and Tbr-1. In terms of format, you could move the "Discovery" section up to the first section after the introduction. Finally, I would say that you primarily need to expand. Maybe you could detail how the TBR1, EOMES, and TBX21 genes develop the olfactory bulb. On the other hand, you could discuss the modulation of the NMDAR by TBR1. I hope some of this helps, guys! JaFlick ( talk) 17:33, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Great article guys. It is definitely not lacking in information or thoroughness. However, I do have a couple suggestions.
In the introduction, I would definitely add more about its function and significance. The way it is now, it makes it seem like the article is about a random protein that serves some sort of function in the brain. It is kind of hard to discern the reason why this protein is important enough to have its own Wikipedia page unless you read the entire article and really understand all of it.
The discovery section seems a little out of place. It’s kind of stranded in the middle of the article. I think it should be either first or near the end before the use in research section.
The gene regulation section is definitely one of the biggest strengths of your paper. However, it is kind of overwhelming and difficult to get the big picture. I would reorganize the subtitles. I feel like a subtitle should be something general that you can use as a basis to help read what’s underneath the subtitle. Instead of putting each protein as the subtitle, I would put the overall function you are describing, and put the description of the protein within that susbtitle. For example, in the CASK subsection, I would change the section title to “role in long term potentiation.” That’s just my opinion, because seeing a bunch of protein names I’ve never heard of as subtitles made it seem a bit overwhelming.
Overall great article though. Its packed with good information and very detailed. Its just a little dense and overwhelming at times for a Wikipedia article.
Nice work so far guys. I think the article is very thorough in terms of specific functions of the protein inside the nucleus. It is clearly well-researched. However, there are some things I'd like to suggest;
First, I agree with most of the other reviewers that the introduction needs to be expanded. I would add a general description of some of the protein's most important functions. At the moment it only tells the reader the protein's names. I also agree that the "Discovery" section should be placed closer to the beginning of the article. Second, the article reads a bit too much like a scientific paper to me at times. Some of the terms used are very technical and not always explained. For example, the "Tissue and cellular distribution" section reads more like the abstract of a scientific paper. I would suggest using less technical language if possible. Also, I would suggest that you link more frequently, especially when it comes to the more vague scientific terms. For example, a linkage to "exons" or "orthologs" would help clarify these terms to readers who may not have much scientific background. If possible, a link to the 2 other members of the TBR1 family would be helpful for readers looking to do broader research on the protein. Finally, I believe the "Lancelets" section should either be expanded, or combined with the "Mice" section. It seems a bit too short and unnecessary at the moment.
Overall, this is definitely a good start. I really like how extensive your section on "Gene Regulation" is. I hope you find my comments useful. -- Hortonan ( talk) 00:33, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Good job, the article explains TBR1 well, but is complex for a general reader to understand. I do agree with some some of the other reviews. The introduction section needs to be expanded immensely. See Manual of style in the Leads Section, Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lead section) for more information to help you there. Many of the subtopics need to be expanded as well to make the article flow better and make it more coherent for a general reader. Additionally, more terms need to be hyperlinked and explained throughout the article. I found myself having to look up what certain proteins were to get a better understanding of what was being discussed. Lastly, I think the current research/use in research section needs to be further developed. Pub med has some great articles on current research. Overall, good start to the article. Keep working. -- Lorenzes ( talk) 03:19, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
You guys have a great start to your article. I like how you broke it down to several subpoints and outlined everything clearly. I also likes the addition of the box on the right that shows the gene orthologs. I though that was a nice touch. I did, however, feel that it was choppy in places, like the definition of the gene. Itsounds like a lot of facts tat don't really flow. Also I would add more pictures. As others have stressed, this is a complex idea you are trying to portray and without some visualization, it is very hard to understand what is happening.TAking that into account, I do think you all did a pretty good job getting the point out of what you were trying to say. Overall its a pretty decent. With a little work it will be a great article. - deroberm ( talk) 0 11:27, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Very good start to the article so far. I think what will be most helpful in understanding the Tbr1 gene is to try to elaborate a bit more on the Gene regulation section. You do a good job of explaining how Tbr1 affects the transcription of CASK and Fezf2, but I think with some of the other genes (Bhlhb5, Sox5, Auts2) you could explain more about how Tbr1's regulation of these genes affects the development of the postmitotic neurons.I do agree with other reviewers in that the article reads a bit choppy. Maybe you could consider moving around sections, like putting Gene regulation right after Function, so that the sections can flow a bit better into one another. Also you could consider expanding the functions section by touching on the other function you listed but did not explicate such as developmental process, brain development, and regulation of neurons in the developing neocortex. Also, just a technicality, but how are these three functions different from one another? Could you maybe just include "regulation of neurons in the developing neocortex" as a brain development function? With expanding the intro and a few more subheadings, the article will be great! Good work. Michjkelley ( talk) 07:00, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Good start to the article! The sectioning and subsectioning really helped me follow the article. However, I do agree that the introduction needs to be expanded with a general overview of TBR1's function in the brain, rather than just saying it is a protein in the brain associated with a certain gene. Maybe it would help to move the Gene and Function sections of the article (or some of the information in them) up to the introduction.
Also, in the Function section, you mention the various functions of TBR1 as being "developmental process, brain development, neuronal differentiation, and regulation of neurons in the developing neocortex." However, you only go Neuron Modulation and Modulation of NMDAR after this. You could create subheadings for these functions as well, and explain them in more detail, since you do reference and support them throughout the rest of your article.
Lastly, in the Gene Regulation section you first state that TBR1 positively and negatively regulates gene expression. For ease of reading, you could divide this section into positive and negative regulation, with each of the proteins as subheadings under one of them. martaak ( talk) 08:46, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Nice article guys, lots of detailed information. Like others have said the introduction need to provide a little bit more info to draw the reader into the article. Also my thoughts while reading through the Gene Regulation heading was it could possibly be divided between the positive and negative regulators for ease of reference. Finally in the Current Research you say TBR1 been used to identify sections such as the prethalamic eminence, pallium, and dorsal forebrain. Could you discuss what techniques are used to do this and what advantages this might have to other ways to identify those sections? ( Molonyc ( talk) 04:31, 17 November 2011 (UTC))
Impressive work! I have the following suggestions to bring it closer to meeting Good Aricle criteria:
Cheers. Boghog ( talk) 08:21, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
It's the best class article I have read so far. I encourage you all to continue your work on this. -- Ancheta Wis ( talk) 20:25, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
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1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | • Almost flawless grammar and extremely consistent punctuation—a very rare find indeed on Wikipedia! Good work. • Under Discovery, TES-56 appears capitalized two different ways and should be consistent throughout. • Similarly, the capitalization of TBR1 the protein is inconsistent. (The 1st anomoly I noticed was under Functions and mechanisms.) • Under Functions and mechanisms, I would suggest, "...is a type of protein called a transcription factor, which..." or, "...is a protein, called a transcription factor, that...". • Could "glutamatergic" be clarified or explained? particularly since there is no article for it ( WP:TECHNICAL) • "Cells that stop dividing (post-mitotic)..."—little explanations like this are very helpful to non-experts. • ...And in fact the whole Axon guidance subsection is very clear and helpful. • Ah, I see that "glutamatergic" is defined in Tissue and cellular distribution. Move the explanation earlier to its 1st use. Also, confirm the correct spelling. • Phrases like, "It was shown that...," and, "It was discovered that...," can be left out, provided you cite—which you do. For example, under Mice, just say, "Tbr-1 is expressed by postmitotic...." • I expect that the plural of "amphioxus" is "amphioxi". If so, it should be plural to correspond with "lancelets". • I have moved several links, but I have not checked or moved them all. Try to ensure that links occur at (and usually only at) the 1st occurance of the concept. For example, "telencephalon" was un-linked in the first section, but linked in the very last sentence. Likewise, "GABA" was linked in the last section but introduced far earlier. Those are just examples; I think there were many more such cases. ( WP:LINKS) • I know that the standard rules of nomenclature for proteins named from genes are to capitalize the first letter and lowercase the rest. Genes on the other hand, are in all lowercase and italics. For example, the gene pksA codes for the protein PksA. However, there are countless exceptions. Please check from (non-webpage) sources what the correct format is and be consistent. (Websites, even official ones, often do not bother with proper stylizing of gene and protein names; however, printed journals almost always will.) Consistency is most important though, and this article has some naming inconsistencies throughout that should be fixed. | ||
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Hey guys, this is a really great article. From what I can tell, you have followed the Wikipedia format for proteins very well and your writing is clear and concise while remaining packed with all of the important information. Well done-I can tell that you are closing in on the final product. The only suggestion I have for you at this point is to possibly change the heading "Other species" to "Non-human orthologs," since it is more descriptive. Other than that, awesome job. Let me know if you have any other questions.
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Thank you so much for taking the time to look at our article Abby. We really appreciate it and your heading suggestion is a great improvement. We implemented it in our page. JaimeeDavis ( talk) 00:57, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
This article is packed with facts on the genetical role TBR1 indicating thorough research on the topic. As far as small picture goes I think the article is complete. I do feel, however, that more of the big picture needs to be included such as why is this gene important? What phenotypes result from improper expression? To this extent the current research section appears to be lacking. I think elaboration in this section would help answer the big question of why TBR1 is important. On the more mechanics side of things I'd recommend including more hyperlinks for certain terms and giving a brief definition to some terms. For example, while the term transcription factor is hyperlinked I think a few words explaining what a transcription factor is would help the reader gather more from the article. Another stylistic thing to consider would be to do away with some headings and just combining the sections with only one or two sentences. As it is now the headings act more as a distraction. On a last note I'd suggest the initial paragraph be elaborated on. It should give a concise over view of TBR1 allowing the reader to understand the basics of TBR1 without reading the entire article. Anyway, overall I find the article to be very fact driven and accurate. Hope my comments help. Wesmather ( talk) 20:54, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Hey Guys! Your article is pretty comprehensive and talks about how involved the genetic role of TBR1 can be. One of the things that I would suggest is to add some pictures of TBR1 staining to your article. Also, I'm not really clear on the location of "pre-plate" and "VI neurons" so if you added a picture of TBR1 staining it could clear up some confusion there. Your "uses in research" section, although it explains how TBR1 has been used to study neurodevelopment, appears to be a little small. Maybe look up current research on TBR1 and its effects on neurogenesis/neurodevelopment. Or look up how knocking out TBR1 affects the developing structure of the cortical plate. I agree with the idea that the headings can be consolidated; however, I think all of the information in all of the sections is important to understanding the genetic importance of TBR1. I think the article does a good job explaining what TBR1 does. Good work guys, I hope these suggestions are useful. Tilearci ( talk) 10:11, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Good job so far, looks like your project is coming along nicely. I liked how you included the function of the protein in other species such as mice and lancelets. I also liked how you included all of the proteins that TBR1 regulates. I have a few suggestions for you though: The use of a couple more pictures would be nice to show the reader what the protein looks like and also adds variety to the article. I think the introduction could be a little longer as well. Instead of just saying some other names of the protein it would be helpful to include its function and other aspects about it such as its discovery. This would set up the article much better I believe and the reader would have a general understanding of TBR1 before they got into the greater details of the article. Finally, more information regarding the use of TBR1 in research would be nice to give the reader a better understanding of TBR1 in a practical sense. Solomojk ( talk) 02:45, 15 November 2011 (UTC)Solomojk
Nice start guys! I like the structure of the content--by breaking it up into headings and sub-headings it makes it much easier to understand and follow. I think the strength of the article right now is the "Gene regulation" section. By separating each protein target of the TBR1 transcription factor, the reader can understand the protein's different functions. Your citations also look thorough.
I also had few suggestions. First, I would reword the first sentence so you use your term “TBR1” at the beginning of the sentence. For example, “The TBR1 gene encodes T-box, brain, 1, a protein found in humans." Also, I would put additional information in the introduction so users who do not want to read the entire article can get a basic understanding of the gene. In terms of grammatical mistakes, “is locate” should be “is located” under the “Gene” section. Furthermore, make sure your reference to TBR1 is consistent. You use several different variations including: TBR1, Tbr1, and Tbr-1. In terms of format, you could move the "Discovery" section up to the first section after the introduction. Finally, I would say that you primarily need to expand. Maybe you could detail how the TBR1, EOMES, and TBX21 genes develop the olfactory bulb. On the other hand, you could discuss the modulation of the NMDAR by TBR1. I hope some of this helps, guys! JaFlick ( talk) 17:33, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Great article guys. It is definitely not lacking in information or thoroughness. However, I do have a couple suggestions.
In the introduction, I would definitely add more about its function and significance. The way it is now, it makes it seem like the article is about a random protein that serves some sort of function in the brain. It is kind of hard to discern the reason why this protein is important enough to have its own Wikipedia page unless you read the entire article and really understand all of it.
The discovery section seems a little out of place. It’s kind of stranded in the middle of the article. I think it should be either first or near the end before the use in research section.
The gene regulation section is definitely one of the biggest strengths of your paper. However, it is kind of overwhelming and difficult to get the big picture. I would reorganize the subtitles. I feel like a subtitle should be something general that you can use as a basis to help read what’s underneath the subtitle. Instead of putting each protein as the subtitle, I would put the overall function you are describing, and put the description of the protein within that susbtitle. For example, in the CASK subsection, I would change the section title to “role in long term potentiation.” That’s just my opinion, because seeing a bunch of protein names I’ve never heard of as subtitles made it seem a bit overwhelming.
Overall great article though. Its packed with good information and very detailed. Its just a little dense and overwhelming at times for a Wikipedia article.
Nice work so far guys. I think the article is very thorough in terms of specific functions of the protein inside the nucleus. It is clearly well-researched. However, there are some things I'd like to suggest;
First, I agree with most of the other reviewers that the introduction needs to be expanded. I would add a general description of some of the protein's most important functions. At the moment it only tells the reader the protein's names. I also agree that the "Discovery" section should be placed closer to the beginning of the article. Second, the article reads a bit too much like a scientific paper to me at times. Some of the terms used are very technical and not always explained. For example, the "Tissue and cellular distribution" section reads more like the abstract of a scientific paper. I would suggest using less technical language if possible. Also, I would suggest that you link more frequently, especially when it comes to the more vague scientific terms. For example, a linkage to "exons" or "orthologs" would help clarify these terms to readers who may not have much scientific background. If possible, a link to the 2 other members of the TBR1 family would be helpful for readers looking to do broader research on the protein. Finally, I believe the "Lancelets" section should either be expanded, or combined with the "Mice" section. It seems a bit too short and unnecessary at the moment.
Overall, this is definitely a good start. I really like how extensive your section on "Gene Regulation" is. I hope you find my comments useful. -- Hortonan ( talk) 00:33, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Good job, the article explains TBR1 well, but is complex for a general reader to understand. I do agree with some some of the other reviews. The introduction section needs to be expanded immensely. See Manual of style in the Leads Section, Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lead section) for more information to help you there. Many of the subtopics need to be expanded as well to make the article flow better and make it more coherent for a general reader. Additionally, more terms need to be hyperlinked and explained throughout the article. I found myself having to look up what certain proteins were to get a better understanding of what was being discussed. Lastly, I think the current research/use in research section needs to be further developed. Pub med has some great articles on current research. Overall, good start to the article. Keep working. -- Lorenzes ( talk) 03:19, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
You guys have a great start to your article. I like how you broke it down to several subpoints and outlined everything clearly. I also likes the addition of the box on the right that shows the gene orthologs. I though that was a nice touch. I did, however, feel that it was choppy in places, like the definition of the gene. Itsounds like a lot of facts tat don't really flow. Also I would add more pictures. As others have stressed, this is a complex idea you are trying to portray and without some visualization, it is very hard to understand what is happening.TAking that into account, I do think you all did a pretty good job getting the point out of what you were trying to say. Overall its a pretty decent. With a little work it will be a great article. - deroberm ( talk) 0 11:27, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Very good start to the article so far. I think what will be most helpful in understanding the Tbr1 gene is to try to elaborate a bit more on the Gene regulation section. You do a good job of explaining how Tbr1 affects the transcription of CASK and Fezf2, but I think with some of the other genes (Bhlhb5, Sox5, Auts2) you could explain more about how Tbr1's regulation of these genes affects the development of the postmitotic neurons.I do agree with other reviewers in that the article reads a bit choppy. Maybe you could consider moving around sections, like putting Gene regulation right after Function, so that the sections can flow a bit better into one another. Also you could consider expanding the functions section by touching on the other function you listed but did not explicate such as developmental process, brain development, and regulation of neurons in the developing neocortex. Also, just a technicality, but how are these three functions different from one another? Could you maybe just include "regulation of neurons in the developing neocortex" as a brain development function? With expanding the intro and a few more subheadings, the article will be great! Good work. Michjkelley ( talk) 07:00, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Good start to the article! The sectioning and subsectioning really helped me follow the article. However, I do agree that the introduction needs to be expanded with a general overview of TBR1's function in the brain, rather than just saying it is a protein in the brain associated with a certain gene. Maybe it would help to move the Gene and Function sections of the article (or some of the information in them) up to the introduction.
Also, in the Function section, you mention the various functions of TBR1 as being "developmental process, brain development, neuronal differentiation, and regulation of neurons in the developing neocortex." However, you only go Neuron Modulation and Modulation of NMDAR after this. You could create subheadings for these functions as well, and explain them in more detail, since you do reference and support them throughout the rest of your article.
Lastly, in the Gene Regulation section you first state that TBR1 positively and negatively regulates gene expression. For ease of reading, you could divide this section into positive and negative regulation, with each of the proteins as subheadings under one of them. martaak ( talk) 08:46, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Nice article guys, lots of detailed information. Like others have said the introduction need to provide a little bit more info to draw the reader into the article. Also my thoughts while reading through the Gene Regulation heading was it could possibly be divided between the positive and negative regulators for ease of reference. Finally in the Current Research you say TBR1 been used to identify sections such as the prethalamic eminence, pallium, and dorsal forebrain. Could you discuss what techniques are used to do this and what advantages this might have to other ways to identify those sections? ( Molonyc ( talk) 04:31, 17 November 2011 (UTC))
Impressive work! I have the following suggestions to bring it closer to meeting Good Aricle criteria:
Cheers. Boghog ( talk) 08:21, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
It's the best class article I have read so far. I encourage you all to continue your work on this. -- Ancheta Wis ( talk) 20:25, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Lhynard ( talk · contribs) 00:23, 7 December 2011 (UTC) ~ I will try to begin reviewing this article tonight. ~ Lhynard ( talk) 00:23, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
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Done Article has passed "quick-fail criteria". Beginning detailed assessment. ~ 00:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Done History examined
Done Checked for disambig lnks
Done Checked for dead external links ~ 01:24, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Done Checked criterion 1a ~ 02:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Done Checked criterion 1b ~ 03:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Done Checked criterion 2a ~ 06:38, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Done Checked criterion 2b ~ 06:23, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Done Checked criterion 2c
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Done Checked criterion 5 ~ 06:45, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Done Checking criterion 6
Pass Checking criterion 7: Article passes ~ 18:25, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
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1. Well-written: | ||||
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1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | • Almost flawless grammar and extremely consistent punctuation—a very rare find indeed on Wikipedia! Good work. • Under Discovery, TES-56 appears capitalized two different ways and should be consistent throughout. • Similarly, the capitalization of TBR1 the protein is inconsistent. (The 1st anomoly I noticed was under Functions and mechanisms.) • Under Functions and mechanisms, I would suggest, "...is a type of protein called a transcription factor, which..." or, "...is a protein, called a transcription factor, that...". • Could "glutamatergic" be clarified or explained? particularly since there is no article for it ( WP:TECHNICAL) • "Cells that stop dividing (post-mitotic)..."—little explanations like this are very helpful to non-experts. • ...And in fact the whole Axon guidance subsection is very clear and helpful. • Ah, I see that "glutamatergic" is defined in Tissue and cellular distribution. Move the explanation earlier to its 1st use. Also, confirm the correct spelling. • Phrases like, "It was shown that...," and, "It was discovered that...," can be left out, provided you cite—which you do. For example, under Mice, just say, "Tbr-1 is expressed by postmitotic...." • I expect that the plural of "amphioxus" is "amphioxi". If so, it should be plural to correspond with "lancelets". • I have moved several links, but I have not checked or moved them all. Try to ensure that links occur at (and usually only at) the 1st occurance of the concept. For example, "telencephalon" was un-linked in the first section, but linked in the very last sentence. Likewise, "GABA" was linked in the last section but introduced far earlier. Those are just examples; I think there were many more such cases. ( WP:LINKS) • I know that the standard rules of nomenclature for proteins named from genes are to capitalize the first letter and lowercase the rest. Genes on the other hand, are in all lowercase and italics. For example, the gene pksA codes for the protein PksA. However, there are countless exceptions. Please check from (non-webpage) sources what the correct format is and be consistent. (Websites, even official ones, often do not bother with proper stylizing of gene and protein names; however, printed journals almost always will.) Consistency is most important though, and this article has some naming inconsistencies throughout that should be fixed. | ||
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | • Except for my comment below about the defining sentence, the lead is excellent—especially at expressing why TBR1 is important. • I would suggest that the opening sentence be modified. As it stands now, TBR1 is defined as the product of a gene. I would change the defining statement to be about the protein itself rather than about its relation to its gene—for example, "T-box, brain, 1 is a transcription factor protein important in vertebrate embryo development." Otherwise, it's not really a definition. It would be like saying, "The Washington Monument is a building made from a blueprint by the architect...." ( WP:MOSBEGIN)
• The lead is technical, but I do not think that can be avoided. | ||
2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||||
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2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | • You even listed your See alsos alphabetically. | ||
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2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | • Ref. 2 and 4 are the same. | ||
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2c. it contains no original research. | |||
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||||
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3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | |||
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3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | • not sure that the section Modulation of NMDAR adds to the article • Science articles are very difficult to write without becoming too technical. You have done a very good job for the most part. The one exception, in my opinion, is section 3. Most of what is said in this section is repeated later in the article and more clearly. (See also my above comment for criterion 1b Re: the title of the section.) | ||
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4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | |||
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5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | |||
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||||
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6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | • The image Reeler_ontogenesis.png does not have a source listed, which makes me suspicious that it is actually free. The uploader is no longer active, which furthers my suspicion. On the other hand, I have no doubts you loaded in in godd faith. One easy, safe option would be to replace the image with the two found on
Reeler, which are more clearly sourced.
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6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | • "Neocorticogenesis" in the caption of the second image should be wikilinked. • More images might be helpful—especially in a technical article such as this. Some suggestions (if they can be found):
• Your second image shows the 6 layers of the cortex that you often refer to; it might be helpful to reference the figure in the text the first time you mention these in Tissue and cellular distribution. | ||
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