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I think the idea of a (legally or constitutionally) designated successor to a Prime Minister in a Parliamentary System of government, is pretty rare- possibly unique to Ireland. I don't think it exists in other Westminster Model systems, nor more generally in other Parliamentary systems like the West German model systems or French/Eastern European Hybrid systems either? It is of course quite common for states to have a succession plan for replacing the Head of State, e.g. Monarchies just go down the family blood line, and republics normally have constitutionally mandated order of sucession too. (Presidents may or may not be the Head of Government of course). But an automatic back up to the Prime Minister is not usual.
The rationale presumably is that technically in Parliamentary Systems, the Monarch/ President is the personification of the state, so if the PM goes it's not too much of a problem in the short term, since the Monarch/President has back up powers and can appoint a new PM. Ireland though has seen fit to have a backstop other than the President.
So is there any research there about why Ireland opted to have a constitutional back up to the Taoiseach, some discussion on this would be interesting and I think add value to the article. {1:17 BST 1 April} — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.108.149.34 ( talk) 00:25, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
The Tánaiste is not the designated successor to the Taoiseach. His office could be translated as "Deputy prime minister." Like deputy prime ministers in other countries, he may or may not succeed the Taoiseach/Prime minister.
Article 13 section 1 of Bunreacht na hEireann (The Constitution of Ireland) states that the President appoints the Taoiseach and subsequently, on the advice of the Taoiseach, appoints the members or Ministers of the Government. The Tánaiste is nominated by the Taoiseach as provided for under Article 28 s.6 of the Constitution. The President does not appoint the Tánaiste.
A useful footnote gives the IPA pronunciation of the singular; but how is the plural, Tánaistithe, pronounced? Suggestion: add the plural form to the existing footnote. -- NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 15:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
According to an anonymous editor Tánaistithe is not standard Irish. Tánaistí is standard according to Niall Ó Dónaill's dictionary (standard dictionary for today's Irish). This checks out, see Vicipéid (The Irish language Wikipedia) at http://ga.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teimpl%C3%A9ad:T%C3%A1naist%C3%AD_na_h%C3%89ireann. They are also other references on the web to support this. I've the article to reflect this. Snappy56 18:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Can someone who knows Irish add stress marks? -- APW 20:12, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
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I removed all the non-free images per WP:NFCC and WP:NFLISTS, just like President of Ireland which had several non-free images and occasionally gets them added back. I'm pretty sure that Taoiseach suffers from the same problem. While some images have fair-use rationales for this use those rationales don't stand up to the scrutiny of the non-free policy. It is ok to use a non-free image of a deceased person in their own article but not elsewhere without justification and not in lists or list type articles. Yes it makes the table look less interesting but that's the way it is. You can always bring the issue up at Wikipedia:Non-free content review if you want. ww2censor ( talk) 22:20, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
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In Luxembourg, the job is called "Vice-Président du gouvernement" but in Wiki it's called Deputy Prime Minister. In the Netherlands, the job is called "Vicepremiers van Nederland" but in Wiki it's called Deputy Prime Minister. In Sweden, the job is called "statsministers ställföreträdare" but in Wiki it's called Deputy Prime Minister. In Ireland, the job is called Tánaiste but in Wiki it's not allowed to be translated in capitals as Deputy Prime Minister. Some think it that the title must be in lower case. Why? Laurel Lodged ( talk) 20:09, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Snappy recently removed the English pronunciations for the articles on
Oireachtas,
Seanad Éireann,
Fianna Fáil and
Tánaiste, with the comment "one IPA is sufficient", when that only pronunciation is the pronunciation of the word in the Irish language. As an English speaker I am unfamiliar with Irish language pronunciations and was finding it a little difficult to decipher the Irish pronunciations, so all I was doing was adding a simple English approximate pronunciation for those words to help other English speakers to understand how to pronounce those words properly; I also discovered that the English pronunciation is slightly different from the Irish pronunciation. What I added was only adding to the article and not taking anything away from it; there are many articles that have both an English IPA and another language IPA and I don't see how these articles are any different.
BTW, other articles such as
Taoiseach and
Dáil Éireann have had both pronunciations for a long time now and I don't see how the former articles, that I added to, are any different, wrt displaying pronunciations, from those latter two articles. --
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I think the idea of a (legally or constitutionally) designated successor to a Prime Minister in a Parliamentary System of government, is pretty rare- possibly unique to Ireland. I don't think it exists in other Westminster Model systems, nor more generally in other Parliamentary systems like the West German model systems or French/Eastern European Hybrid systems either? It is of course quite common for states to have a succession plan for replacing the Head of State, e.g. Monarchies just go down the family blood line, and republics normally have constitutionally mandated order of sucession too. (Presidents may or may not be the Head of Government of course). But an automatic back up to the Prime Minister is not usual.
The rationale presumably is that technically in Parliamentary Systems, the Monarch/ President is the personification of the state, so if the PM goes it's not too much of a problem in the short term, since the Monarch/President has back up powers and can appoint a new PM. Ireland though has seen fit to have a backstop other than the President.
So is there any research there about why Ireland opted to have a constitutional back up to the Taoiseach, some discussion on this would be interesting and I think add value to the article. {1:17 BST 1 April} — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.108.149.34 ( talk) 00:25, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
The Tánaiste is not the designated successor to the Taoiseach. His office could be translated as "Deputy prime minister." Like deputy prime ministers in other countries, he may or may not succeed the Taoiseach/Prime minister.
Article 13 section 1 of Bunreacht na hEireann (The Constitution of Ireland) states that the President appoints the Taoiseach and subsequently, on the advice of the Taoiseach, appoints the members or Ministers of the Government. The Tánaiste is nominated by the Taoiseach as provided for under Article 28 s.6 of the Constitution. The President does not appoint the Tánaiste.
A useful footnote gives the IPA pronunciation of the singular; but how is the plural, Tánaistithe, pronounced? Suggestion: add the plural form to the existing footnote. -- NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 15:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
According to an anonymous editor Tánaistithe is not standard Irish. Tánaistí is standard according to Niall Ó Dónaill's dictionary (standard dictionary for today's Irish). This checks out, see Vicipéid (The Irish language Wikipedia) at http://ga.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teimpl%C3%A9ad:T%C3%A1naist%C3%AD_na_h%C3%89ireann. They are also other references on the web to support this. I've the article to reflect this. Snappy56 18:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Can someone who knows Irish add stress marks? -- APW 20:12, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
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In Luxembourg, the job is called "Vice-Président du gouvernement" but in Wiki it's called Deputy Prime Minister. In the Netherlands, the job is called "Vicepremiers van Nederland" but in Wiki it's called Deputy Prime Minister. In Sweden, the job is called "statsministers ställföreträdare" but in Wiki it's called Deputy Prime Minister. In Ireland, the job is called Tánaiste but in Wiki it's not allowed to be translated in capitals as Deputy Prime Minister. Some think it that the title must be in lower case. Why? Laurel Lodged ( talk) 20:09, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Snappy recently removed the English pronunciations for the articles on
Oireachtas,
Seanad Éireann,
Fianna Fáil and
Tánaiste, with the comment "one IPA is sufficient", when that only pronunciation is the pronunciation of the word in the Irish language. As an English speaker I am unfamiliar with Irish language pronunciations and was finding it a little difficult to decipher the Irish pronunciations, so all I was doing was adding a simple English approximate pronunciation for those words to help other English speakers to understand how to pronounce those words properly; I also discovered that the English pronunciation is slightly different from the Irish pronunciation. What I added was only adding to the article and not taking anything away from it; there are many articles that have both an English IPA and another language IPA and I don't see how these articles are any different.
BTW, other articles such as
Taoiseach and
Dáil Éireann have had both pronunciations for a long time now and I don't see how the former articles, that I added to, are any different, wrt displaying pronunciations, from those latter two articles. --
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