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Tau is T, so maybe the relevance is there? -- Dante Alighieri
I Pity the Fool. -mall t get it's hook in type eventhough I have never seen anyone print
Your page is nice and neat Trish the hustler ( talk) 15:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
I protected the page in light of recent edit-warring. Please resolve your differences instead of keep reverting each other. Many I just semi-protected it due to the frequent reversions to that copyvio version, apparently by a flurry of sockpuppet accounts (the ones I've checked so far are brand new for this purpose). I set it to expire in a week but considering the persistence of the editor suspected to be behind this it may need to be extended. Bryan Derksen 02:02, 18 February 20's always possible that a Macaw 54 sockpuppet might come back, no matter how long we wait for this to happen again. Georgia guy 02:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Please read very slowly and carefully:
Almost a day ago, I saw this 75KB article and I wanted to make the Pronunciation of English T section into its own article. However, Macaw 54 has reverted me 3 times. (Even without the section merged, it is still large, 56KB.) Within a week, from now, someone other than Macaw 54 please try to think of what the best thing to do to this large article is. Georgia guy 23:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Now, here is something I have learned by studying even further:
Since July 4, Macaw 54 has been editing this article by adding more and more stuff into it; please try to compare all other edits from then to now and check to see what opinions you have. Moreover, Macaw 54 has not made very many main-namespace edits apart from the article T since he first came to Wikipedia. Georgia guy 00:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I think it's time to focus on what to do with the large sections of the article. Any suggestions?? Georgia guy 14:39, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree that this page is far too big. It has gone beyond glossolalia through a kind of concretization of Tourette's to a point bordering dangerously on graphomania. I have been accused by friend and foe of excessive verbosity but this page takes the cake.
There is no need to debate along what lines the article should be broken. Simply hack off about a third of it, never to be seen again; and skim off another third into Apocrypha of T. In all its baroque splendor, the current page does hold a certain fascination, much as we gawk at the naked 500 pound full suit lady in the sideshow. Liposuction here is however not merely called for; it's a literary emergency. John Reid 08:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
T is for... John Reid 09:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
( 71.50.227.13 03:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC))
The base of this article isn't bad, but there is a level of detail here which is probably excessive. First thing, I think that the abbreviations need to be moved to another article ( T (abbreviation), perhaps?). This will make finding the abbreviation list much easier for those who are looking for it. Also, the "Other Abbreviations" section looks to be just a list of some of the articles that begin with T, and can probably be removed. -- ArglebargleIV 20:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes. I have access to the e-book. This is from the preface: "Most entries in AIAD are specifically identified with the United States. Thousands of British and Canadian terms can also be found. Other non-U.S. acronyms most likely to be encountered in magazines and daily newspapers are included as well . . . No attempt is made to list acronyms of local businesses or associations, local units of government, or other terms in limited use. Obsolete terms are retained for their historical interest." So, the terms included in the list are not rare.-- Macaw 54 09:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Couldn't agree more, the abbreviations section is currently an exact duplicate of the T (disambiguation) page and that looks like the right place to put something like this. There's no need for such redundancy, especially in such an oversized article, and indeed it's likely that over time the two lists will diverge inappropriately as people add new entries to one or the other but not both. Bryan 07:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
That "other abbreviations" section, on the other hand, is tricky. Most of the items listed there aren't links, so it doesn't seem like something that would fit as a disambiguation page. But more importantly, I don't see any basis for why these particular T-words are listed here. What is the criteria for inclusion? Bryan 07:20, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
It looks like Macaw 54 has copied the disambig page and the other abbreviations list back to here again (and redirected the disambig page). I don't see the point of it. Even apart from that, this article is turning into a long monograph instead of an encyclopedia article. I also don't think it should be using fonts the way it does -- those Windows/Mac fonts aren't guaranteed everythere. The article has a sourcing problem as well -- only four references? -- ArglebargleIV 11:42, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
The disambiguation split seems to be stable now, but the article is still 84 kilobytes so perhaps we should consider whether further sub-articles are warranted and if so which sections should be split off. Here are my thoughts:
Anyone have any thoughts on these, or other ideas? Bryan 22:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
So, any further comments, suggestions or complaints before I get started on some of this? Bryan 18:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
We've discovered that Macaw 54, a major contributor to this article and page, is a sock puppet of serial plagiarist and banned user Primetime. Wikipedia:Long term abuse/Primetime, Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Primetime. Any material he sought to add was undoubtedly copied from someone else and should be removed. Note the same user has also engaged in contentious edits to A and J. - Will Beback 09:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Is this sentence correct? It's just hard to believe that T is more used than some vowels like A, U etc.-- Westermarck 20:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
(cur) (last) 17:58, 5 February 2007 ArglebargleIV (Talk | contribs) (Reverting to essentially last version before User:Macaw64 (sock of User:Primetime) started expanding it (largely with copyvio material).)
Is the edit summary that removed the 133 edits made by Macaw 54 from July 4 to October 4, 2006. This is what the article looked like before the reversion with many of the sources cited at the bottom. I have some questions. First, how could the following public-domain additions, available online, and cited, be copyright violations: [3], [4], [5], [6]? Second, how could errors like these slip into a final published product: [7], [8], [9]? He reverted it, as you can see, like it was no big deal whatsoever. But, the fact that the edits were well-sourced (I can provide even more sources), made over such a long period of time, and made with errors that were later corrected proves that they are not copyright violations.-- Rage 74 03:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Macaw64 was a sock of Primetime, known for inserting copyvio material in articles. The idea was to go back to a safe version, and examine any expansions from there. If you have sourced material, add it in, but provide the sources as well. Besides, the article was too freaking long -- this is an encyclopedia, not a warehouse for extensive monographs. -- ArglebargleIV 04:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
This line from the article seems wrong:
> Taw was the last letter of the Western Semitic and Hebrew alphabets, and probably represented a cross.
Though I'm not an expert on the subject, I do know Hebrew. The last letter in Hebrew is pronounced "taf" nowadays and it is used as a "t" sound. In certain older accents of religious people, they use this letter as an "s" sound (datiim vs dasiim eg). Also, the letter has no resemblance to a cross, here it is:
ת
That's how the letter has looked since the days of the first testament iiuc. Also, nowadays "ט", the ninth letter in hebrew, is used as a "t" sound as well. So maybe you can go check that out.
-- 80.179.206.193 ( talk) 14:16, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi! It sound like the article previously got a bit out of control in length, but I don't think it has to be this short. I think it would be on-topic and useful to add some info on pronunciation in languages other than English, so I'll be doing that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpiralTurtle ( talk • contribs) 00:45, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Usage In English, 〈t〉 often denotes the voiceless alveolar plosive (International Phonetic Alphabet and X-SAMPA: /t/), as in "tart",
HOWEVER, are we speaking of the English initial "T" of 'Tart', or does the voiceless alveolar plosive ALSO apply to the end "t" of 'Tart' ??
Perhaps the substitution of another example other than 'Tart', if it is the former, might be preferable ? Might 'Today' be used ??
121.127.213.18 ( talk) 03:12, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
I noticed Americans, and perhaps others, will use a CH (like church) in place of T, where tree and train sound like chree and chrain. This is why you will see choo choo train written this way. Potter is also pronounced Podder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.171.241.200 ( talk) 02:40, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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The hatnote included letterform. That word is not in dictionary. Change it to letter form to ensure it met the guidelines. 2001:EE0:4BE2:6F90:2923:8EBD:8993:C44A ( talk) 13:03, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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Tau is T, so maybe the relevance is there? -- Dante Alighieri
I Pity the Fool. -mall t get it's hook in type eventhough I have never seen anyone print
Your page is nice and neat Trish the hustler ( talk) 15:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
I protected the page in light of recent edit-warring. Please resolve your differences instead of keep reverting each other. Many I just semi-protected it due to the frequent reversions to that copyvio version, apparently by a flurry of sockpuppet accounts (the ones I've checked so far are brand new for this purpose). I set it to expire in a week but considering the persistence of the editor suspected to be behind this it may need to be extended. Bryan Derksen 02:02, 18 February 20's always possible that a Macaw 54 sockpuppet might come back, no matter how long we wait for this to happen again. Georgia guy 02:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Please read very slowly and carefully:
Almost a day ago, I saw this 75KB article and I wanted to make the Pronunciation of English T section into its own article. However, Macaw 54 has reverted me 3 times. (Even without the section merged, it is still large, 56KB.) Within a week, from now, someone other than Macaw 54 please try to think of what the best thing to do to this large article is. Georgia guy 23:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Now, here is something I have learned by studying even further:
Since July 4, Macaw 54 has been editing this article by adding more and more stuff into it; please try to compare all other edits from then to now and check to see what opinions you have. Moreover, Macaw 54 has not made very many main-namespace edits apart from the article T since he first came to Wikipedia. Georgia guy 00:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I think it's time to focus on what to do with the large sections of the article. Any suggestions?? Georgia guy 14:39, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree that this page is far too big. It has gone beyond glossolalia through a kind of concretization of Tourette's to a point bordering dangerously on graphomania. I have been accused by friend and foe of excessive verbosity but this page takes the cake.
There is no need to debate along what lines the article should be broken. Simply hack off about a third of it, never to be seen again; and skim off another third into Apocrypha of T. In all its baroque splendor, the current page does hold a certain fascination, much as we gawk at the naked 500 pound full suit lady in the sideshow. Liposuction here is however not merely called for; it's a literary emergency. John Reid 08:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
T is for... John Reid 09:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
( 71.50.227.13 03:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC))
The base of this article isn't bad, but there is a level of detail here which is probably excessive. First thing, I think that the abbreviations need to be moved to another article ( T (abbreviation), perhaps?). This will make finding the abbreviation list much easier for those who are looking for it. Also, the "Other Abbreviations" section looks to be just a list of some of the articles that begin with T, and can probably be removed. -- ArglebargleIV 20:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes. I have access to the e-book. This is from the preface: "Most entries in AIAD are specifically identified with the United States. Thousands of British and Canadian terms can also be found. Other non-U.S. acronyms most likely to be encountered in magazines and daily newspapers are included as well . . . No attempt is made to list acronyms of local businesses or associations, local units of government, or other terms in limited use. Obsolete terms are retained for their historical interest." So, the terms included in the list are not rare.-- Macaw 54 09:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Couldn't agree more, the abbreviations section is currently an exact duplicate of the T (disambiguation) page and that looks like the right place to put something like this. There's no need for such redundancy, especially in such an oversized article, and indeed it's likely that over time the two lists will diverge inappropriately as people add new entries to one or the other but not both. Bryan 07:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
That "other abbreviations" section, on the other hand, is tricky. Most of the items listed there aren't links, so it doesn't seem like something that would fit as a disambiguation page. But more importantly, I don't see any basis for why these particular T-words are listed here. What is the criteria for inclusion? Bryan 07:20, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
It looks like Macaw 54 has copied the disambig page and the other abbreviations list back to here again (and redirected the disambig page). I don't see the point of it. Even apart from that, this article is turning into a long monograph instead of an encyclopedia article. I also don't think it should be using fonts the way it does -- those Windows/Mac fonts aren't guaranteed everythere. The article has a sourcing problem as well -- only four references? -- ArglebargleIV 11:42, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
The disambiguation split seems to be stable now, but the article is still 84 kilobytes so perhaps we should consider whether further sub-articles are warranted and if so which sections should be split off. Here are my thoughts:
Anyone have any thoughts on these, or other ideas? Bryan 22:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
So, any further comments, suggestions or complaints before I get started on some of this? Bryan 18:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
We've discovered that Macaw 54, a major contributor to this article and page, is a sock puppet of serial plagiarist and banned user Primetime. Wikipedia:Long term abuse/Primetime, Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Primetime. Any material he sought to add was undoubtedly copied from someone else and should be removed. Note the same user has also engaged in contentious edits to A and J. - Will Beback 09:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Is this sentence correct? It's just hard to believe that T is more used than some vowels like A, U etc.-- Westermarck 20:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
(cur) (last) 17:58, 5 February 2007 ArglebargleIV (Talk | contribs) (Reverting to essentially last version before User:Macaw64 (sock of User:Primetime) started expanding it (largely with copyvio material).)
Is the edit summary that removed the 133 edits made by Macaw 54 from July 4 to October 4, 2006. This is what the article looked like before the reversion with many of the sources cited at the bottom. I have some questions. First, how could the following public-domain additions, available online, and cited, be copyright violations: [3], [4], [5], [6]? Second, how could errors like these slip into a final published product: [7], [8], [9]? He reverted it, as you can see, like it was no big deal whatsoever. But, the fact that the edits were well-sourced (I can provide even more sources), made over such a long period of time, and made with errors that were later corrected proves that they are not copyright violations.-- Rage 74 03:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Macaw64 was a sock of Primetime, known for inserting copyvio material in articles. The idea was to go back to a safe version, and examine any expansions from there. If you have sourced material, add it in, but provide the sources as well. Besides, the article was too freaking long -- this is an encyclopedia, not a warehouse for extensive monographs. -- ArglebargleIV 04:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
This line from the article seems wrong:
> Taw was the last letter of the Western Semitic and Hebrew alphabets, and probably represented a cross.
Though I'm not an expert on the subject, I do know Hebrew. The last letter in Hebrew is pronounced "taf" nowadays and it is used as a "t" sound. In certain older accents of religious people, they use this letter as an "s" sound (datiim vs dasiim eg). Also, the letter has no resemblance to a cross, here it is:
ת
That's how the letter has looked since the days of the first testament iiuc. Also, nowadays "ט", the ninth letter in hebrew, is used as a "t" sound as well. So maybe you can go check that out.
-- 80.179.206.193 ( talk) 14:16, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi! It sound like the article previously got a bit out of control in length, but I don't think it has to be this short. I think it would be on-topic and useful to add some info on pronunciation in languages other than English, so I'll be doing that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpiralTurtle ( talk • contribs) 00:45, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Usage In English, 〈t〉 often denotes the voiceless alveolar plosive (International Phonetic Alphabet and X-SAMPA: /t/), as in "tart",
HOWEVER, are we speaking of the English initial "T" of 'Tart', or does the voiceless alveolar plosive ALSO apply to the end "t" of 'Tart' ??
Perhaps the substitution of another example other than 'Tart', if it is the former, might be preferable ? Might 'Today' be used ??
121.127.213.18 ( talk) 03:12, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
I noticed Americans, and perhaps others, will use a CH (like church) in place of T, where tree and train sound like chree and chrain. This is why you will see choo choo train written this way. Potter is also pronounced Podder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.171.241.200 ( talk) 02:40, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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The hatnote included letterform. That word is not in dictionary. Change it to letter form to ensure it met the guidelines. 2001:EE0:4BE2:6F90:2923:8EBD:8993:C44A ( talk) 13:03, 18 February 2024 (UTC)