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I am virtually certain that Zygielbojm self-immolated himself, and added this pertinent information to the article. Please do not remove this information without an explanation. Dr. Dan 15:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Or his obituary, on this site. (Granted, it doesn't mention gas, but I would imagine that (a) one who self-immolates wouldn't be found "almost unconscious" and rushed to the hospital and (b) such an unusual method of suicide would have been considered news-worthy.) Do any sources indicate that Zygielbojm's suicide was by self-immolation? Malik Shabazz 19:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC)On 12 May 1943, he committed suicide in London by turning on the gas in his apartment.
I'm going to remove the reference to self-immolation until Dr. Dan or somebody else can find something that indicates Zygielbojm's suicide was by other means that gassing himself. Malik Shabazz 01:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I will go to a library this weekend and see what the sources Timothy Snyder cites say about Zygielbojm's method of suicide. However the inquest carried out after his death found that it "was caused by a self-administered dose of a sedative" [1] and the contemporary NYT article on his death refers to him being "found dead in his Paddington flat" [2] so I can't really see how Snyder could be correct. Norman Naimark kind of alludes to this in his review of the book. [3] Pwrm ( talk) 04:46, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Incidentally Snyder's sources for this statement are:
Pwrm ( talk) 04:49, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Here it is said: "The well-known Bundist activist Shmuel Mordechai Zigelboim committed suicide on May 1, 1943, on the threshold of the British Parliament building in London." [4]
Read comment bewlow ths article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2928325/Szmul-Zygielbojm-exposed-holocaust-world-killed-wife-son-murdered-Warsaw-Ghetto-uprising.html
mamaz, withheld, United States, 3 years ago
Zygielbojm's great granddaughter here. On behalf of our family, thank you for running this article today. One correction to headline and article however, Szmul Zygielbojm did not kill himself after wife and son were killed in the uprising. Szmul had one son, my grandpa Joseph, who was in his early 20s at this time. It was Joseph's wife and toddler son who were murdered. Joseph then fled to the woods to lead a partisan militia battling Nazis. Joseph met my grandmother, a camp survivor, after the war. Szmul did have one other child, my grandpa Joe's pre-teenaged sister Rivka. Rivka was taken to the camps where she perished. Details about Szmul's , my great grandmother are unknown, it is assumed she perished in the camps. My great grandfather Szmul killed himself because he felt he had failed his people. In any case, very very sad story. Heavy heart today. But uplifted by your running of the story. Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:B40:2258:C9F8:6CCB:FD97:DAB3 ( talk) 17:03, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Late comment, but the origin of this is probably that before his death he had called on British Jews to commit mass suicide on the steps of number 10 Downing Street to draw attention to what was happening. In the end he died in his apartment, but it was an idea he'd clearly considered. I haven't seen the original publication, but it was referred to in newspapers of the time. Example: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/261395462?searchTerm=warsaw 2407:7000:899A:CD00:AD34:4129:EE21:E82B ( talk) 09:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Currently the infobox states he confessed Judaism. However, he was as leftist as a Bundist can be, which makes me ask if there's any proof he was indeed Jewish by faith. // Halibu tt 21:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
"A few dozen copies of a report on the Chelmno murders were circulated throughout the ghetto. This report was also sent abroad, together with a demand to take retaliatory measures against the German civilian population. But public opinion abroad did not believe the story either. Our appeal found no response. Comrade Zygielbojm, our representative in the Polish National Council in London, broadcast the literal text of our message in a radio speech to the whole world. The following morning his appeal was circulated in the ghetto both in a special edition of our publication Der Weker and in the papers of all other political groups."
Marek Edelman ,who died yesterday, and Szmul Zygelbojm belonged to the same organisation, they knew each other. See *Marek Edelman, Resisting the Holocaust: Fighting Back in the Warsaw Ghetto, Ocean Press, 2004, ISBN 1-876175-52-4., ( Excerpt online)
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Surely you can find an excerpt from this booklet that better follows the narrative thrust of the previous paragraphs, and focuses on the murder of the Jews prompting Zygielboim's activism, than a paragraph that mainly revolves around the deeds of Polish gentiles? Its placement here comes off as promotional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ereb0r ( talk • contribs) 22:36, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
Another variation of his name is Samuel (or Shmul) Mordechai Arthur Zigelbaum which could be added to the title as when searched for he can be difficult to find information about. He is also referenced by the Soviet war correspondent Vasily Grossman who refers to him as 'Comrade Arthur' in his writing about the Warsaw Uprising. Si noah ( talk) 09:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
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I am virtually certain that Zygielbojm self-immolated himself, and added this pertinent information to the article. Please do not remove this information without an explanation. Dr. Dan 15:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Or his obituary, on this site. (Granted, it doesn't mention gas, but I would imagine that (a) one who self-immolates wouldn't be found "almost unconscious" and rushed to the hospital and (b) such an unusual method of suicide would have been considered news-worthy.) Do any sources indicate that Zygielbojm's suicide was by self-immolation? Malik Shabazz 19:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC)On 12 May 1943, he committed suicide in London by turning on the gas in his apartment.
I'm going to remove the reference to self-immolation until Dr. Dan or somebody else can find something that indicates Zygielbojm's suicide was by other means that gassing himself. Malik Shabazz 01:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I will go to a library this weekend and see what the sources Timothy Snyder cites say about Zygielbojm's method of suicide. However the inquest carried out after his death found that it "was caused by a self-administered dose of a sedative" [1] and the contemporary NYT article on his death refers to him being "found dead in his Paddington flat" [2] so I can't really see how Snyder could be correct. Norman Naimark kind of alludes to this in his review of the book. [3] Pwrm ( talk) 04:46, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Incidentally Snyder's sources for this statement are:
Pwrm ( talk) 04:49, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Here it is said: "The well-known Bundist activist Shmuel Mordechai Zigelboim committed suicide on May 1, 1943, on the threshold of the British Parliament building in London." [4]
Read comment bewlow ths article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2928325/Szmul-Zygielbojm-exposed-holocaust-world-killed-wife-son-murdered-Warsaw-Ghetto-uprising.html
mamaz, withheld, United States, 3 years ago
Zygielbojm's great granddaughter here. On behalf of our family, thank you for running this article today. One correction to headline and article however, Szmul Zygielbojm did not kill himself after wife and son were killed in the uprising. Szmul had one son, my grandpa Joseph, who was in his early 20s at this time. It was Joseph's wife and toddler son who were murdered. Joseph then fled to the woods to lead a partisan militia battling Nazis. Joseph met my grandmother, a camp survivor, after the war. Szmul did have one other child, my grandpa Joe's pre-teenaged sister Rivka. Rivka was taken to the camps where she perished. Details about Szmul's , my great grandmother are unknown, it is assumed she perished in the camps. My great grandfather Szmul killed himself because he felt he had failed his people. In any case, very very sad story. Heavy heart today. But uplifted by your running of the story. Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:B40:2258:C9F8:6CCB:FD97:DAB3 ( talk) 17:03, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Late comment, but the origin of this is probably that before his death he had called on British Jews to commit mass suicide on the steps of number 10 Downing Street to draw attention to what was happening. In the end he died in his apartment, but it was an idea he'd clearly considered. I haven't seen the original publication, but it was referred to in newspapers of the time. Example: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/261395462?searchTerm=warsaw 2407:7000:899A:CD00:AD34:4129:EE21:E82B ( talk) 09:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Currently the infobox states he confessed Judaism. However, he was as leftist as a Bundist can be, which makes me ask if there's any proof he was indeed Jewish by faith. // Halibu tt 21:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
"A few dozen copies of a report on the Chelmno murders were circulated throughout the ghetto. This report was also sent abroad, together with a demand to take retaliatory measures against the German civilian population. But public opinion abroad did not believe the story either. Our appeal found no response. Comrade Zygielbojm, our representative in the Polish National Council in London, broadcast the literal text of our message in a radio speech to the whole world. The following morning his appeal was circulated in the ghetto both in a special edition of our publication Der Weker and in the papers of all other political groups."
Marek Edelman ,who died yesterday, and Szmul Zygelbojm belonged to the same organisation, they knew each other. See *Marek Edelman, Resisting the Holocaust: Fighting Back in the Warsaw Ghetto, Ocean Press, 2004, ISBN 1-876175-52-4., ( Excerpt online)
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Xx236 ( talk) 11:17, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Surely you can find an excerpt from this booklet that better follows the narrative thrust of the previous paragraphs, and focuses on the murder of the Jews prompting Zygielboim's activism, than a paragraph that mainly revolves around the deeds of Polish gentiles? Its placement here comes off as promotional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ereb0r ( talk • contribs) 22:36, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
Another variation of his name is Samuel (or Shmul) Mordechai Arthur Zigelbaum which could be added to the title as when searched for he can be difficult to find information about. He is also referenced by the Soviet war correspondent Vasily Grossman who refers to him as 'Comrade Arthur' in his writing about the Warsaw Uprising. Si noah ( talk) 09:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
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Szmul Zygielbojm died by suicide. (He did not "commit" suicide as it is not a crime. Please refrain from using these stigmatising language.) Thank you 105.229.81.83 ( talk) 17:00, 11 August 2022 (UTC)