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213.42.1.165 deleted the following text from the article, without giving a reason. -- Ed Poor 08:16 Aug 19, 2002 (PDT)
Since 1994,
-- 151.188.16.45 20:41, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)[[Media:[[Image: == [[[ == Syria ==]]] ==]]]] has been on the official U.S. list of state sponsors of terrorism. Islamic Jihad, considered a terrorist group by the U.S. and Israel, has its headquarters in Syria.
Some writers advocate the removal of Syria from the U.N. Security Council, on the grounds that its support for terrorism contradicts the stated mission of the council.
Why isnt it there? Is it fact or not? Surely listing facts is important, and listing reasons is also important. Hiding the truth because noone can explain a fact isnt very open is it? Paul Weaver 15:20 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Could someone verify the info that 210.50.112.97 is adding? (also on Politics of Syria) Evil saltine 17:18, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)
I removed the second sentence of this article "Syria is often seen to be in support of terrorism and terrorist groups in the Middle East"? Because of NPOV concerns. Yes, this is an issue with Syria --BUTurrent location it gives the impression this is the primary item of interest concerning Syria. Other countries accused of harboring terrorism -- Libya, North Korea, Iran -- do not have a statement in such a prominent position. -- llywrch 17:40, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
People should note that there are different perceptions of terrorism. In the middle east Hezbollah and Hamas are generally considered fighters who are resisting an occupation that was outlawed by the United Nations.
Notice how the text resembles this web site http://www.nationmaster.com/country/sy/Economy
Syria's predominantly statist economy etc. is the very same. Who borrowed from who? Kstailey 14:27, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
About the recently added "SYRIA" link pointing to http://www.sptechs.com/ : I don't read Arabic, but I have a strong feeling that it's the home page of a web design company, and - therefore - link-spam. Any Arabic-speaking(+reading) person around? TroelsArvin 13:11, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I wonder why syriaonline.com ,syriagate.com are still in the External links .while other several usefull links , is considered spam !! .
I'm restoring the border dispute with Turkey over Iskenderun to the opening paragraph (it was =index&req=viewpage&pageid=834&newlang=eng map] at the official site of the Syrian Ministry of Tourism, which clearly shows Iskenderun as part of Syria. -- uriber 12:57, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It seems the Syrian parliament agrees with the ministry of tourism, but somebody insists on deleting my previous relevant edit. Hmm. -- kutukagan 09:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Syria and Lebanon, just like many other countries in the Middle East, were invaded by the Arab's and Muslims who forced the natives to convert to Islam or suffer. The real native people are not Arabs, they are of mixed Syriac (Aramaic), Greek, Roman, and Crusader blood. CHRISTIANS WHO ARE SYRIANS AND LEBANESE ARE NOT ARABS!
I'm not denying that there were real Arabs who were at the time Christians, but that was many centuries ago. It's kind of interesting to see that the Ghassanids and the Nabataeans settled in Horan. You forgot to mention Busra, which happened to be a great Christian Byzantine city that was out Yuber, but eventually these real Arab Christians converted to Islam and there decendants are no longer Christians.-- 66.81.173.40 21:16, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Regards, .-- 66.81.173.40
Just because you speak Arabic, it does not mean you are an Arab! The people of Brazil speak Portugese, does that mean that they are not Brazilians? The people of Argentine speak Spanish, does this mean they have the same culture as those from Spain? Australians speak English, does this make them American? NO. Therefore, Lebanese people who speak Arabic, are right in believing and claiming that they are Lebanese, with a distinct voice and culture.
I am not sure it is the right way to get my posting on the matter. There are several Arabic tribes that are Christians in Syria and Jordan. Even Koweit has a couple of Christian Koweiti families. One of the family members was actually the Koweiti Ambassador in Japan. HE
This is totally fucked up. Why must it be controversial every time ethnicity is being questioned.-- 140.144.175.147 20:26, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
As Gareth Hughes has stated in the discussion below, "Syria has been such a historical crossroads for nations of east and west that anything more detailed becomes increadibly complicated and controversial." By the way 140.144.175.147, whoever you are, I would suggest that you don't use any profanity in the talk page. Talk pages here in Wikipedia are for educated discussions, not street talk.-- Gramaic 23:45, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I was wondering, if I was to travel to Syria (Damascus in particular), do I need any vaccinations. sick. So what kind of vaccinations should I take if I were to travel to Syria?-- Gramaic 05:45, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I think we need to be more specific about the demographics section in the article. When people read that Syria's people are a mix of Semitic and Indo-European peoples, I think we should include what kind of Semitic and Indo-European people. For example, the Semites would be the Arabs, Aramaic , we should say that we have Greeks, Romans, etc. Just a thought.-- Gramaic 09:27, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Syrians are a mix of a variety of diffent people, nobody is pure blooded. Most people in Syria, identify as Arabs (even a quite number of Kurds, Armenians, and Circassians identify as Arabs). Yuber, the anon you had the heated debate with, I'm afraid there are many more people who think the exact same way as the person you argued with. I found a webstite called "We Are Not Arabs" which is ahttp://www.petitiononline.com/NotArab/petition.html if any of you wish].-- Gramaic 00:00, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm not saying that there aren't people (especially the Maronites, though they are in Lebanon) who deny the Arab label. However, these people are a minority among residents of Arab countries. Also, the person I had the debate with didn't sound like a Syrian at all, and they made ridiculous claims about there being no Arabs in the region that is Syria today. Are you Syrian, by the way?Yuber 00:07, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Just for the record, many Syrians and Lebanese, don't identify themselves as Arabs. Many of them say that they're Neo-Byzantine, and refer to themselves as non-Arabs who are Arabic speaking White people. 66.81.185.13 03:14, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This is quite sad. It is incredibly low for a person to deny their culture, and adopt another... Arabic speaking white people? Why are people so keen to label themselves White/European and escape their Middle Eastern ethnicity? Syrians and Lebanese are NOT Arabic, they are SYRIAN and LEBANESE. Quite different from Arabic people, as they are a mixture of MANY other groups. Labeling them as Arabic would be a mistake, rather, Arabic speaking. And Neo-Byzantine?? WTF???? Why do you identify with the Byzantines? There were people living there LONG BEFORE the Byzantines and many more after, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You should be ashamed of yourselves. And P.S., I have yet to meet a Kurd/Armenian who identifid themself as Arabic.
People identify their ethnicity in different ways, and this can change over time. We should respect that, and that there are Syrians who do not wish to be seen as Arabs, even though they are a small minority. How the Wikipedia page on 'Syria' can accomodate this, I'm not sure. We certainly cannot re-write it to say that Syrians are in no way arab, because a small group of people beleive that (very genuinely, I'm sure), when the majority - excluding the established ethnic minorities like the Kurds - appear to identify themselve as Arab quite freely. The only thing that the 'Syria' page can do is to continue to stress the diversity of origins of Syria's population, as it does. Perhaps some of the commontators here would like to write a page for Wikipedia explaining the 'Neo-Byzantine' idea. That way, Wikipdeia could cover it. - Indisciplined
"Major cities include the capital Damascus in the southwest, Aleppo in the north, and Homs."
As everyone can see, we all know that Damascus is located in the southwest of Syria, and Aleppo is in the north. Yet, this statement does not say were the city of Homs is located. I used to think that Homs was located in central Syria, after looking at the Syrian map, it seems that Homs is near the Lebanese border. So does anyone know how to classify the region of where Homs is located?-- Gramaic 06:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I added the English version home page for Souria.com in the External links section. There is an Arabic version for this website, but my reading in Arabic is not that good. Since this is an English encyclopedia, I think it's best just to have the English version. Anyway, if any of you fluent Arabic readers want to see the Arabic version of Souria.com, go ahead.-- Gramaic 06:15, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi,
I just came wandering through looking for information on the politics of Syria today. The section here is very good (better than the Encyclopedia Britannica, in fact) but when I followed the link to Politics of Syria I discovered that it's basically identical; in fact it's probably a bit rotted version, with a few CIA Worldbook facts stuck on the end.
This isn't necessarily a problem, but it does mean people's edits are going to get divided between the two pages (and probably most will edit this page).
Something similar happened at Nuclear weapon and Nuclear explosion, and the solution taken there (still in progress) is to strip down the section in Nuclear weapon until it's really a summary, so that it's obvious one should go to the effects page to make improvements.
The other possibility is to get rid of Politics of Syria by folding its information in here.
Anyway, the pieces I've read of the article are great. -- Andrew 15:08, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC) Oops, fixed links
In fact, Economy of Syria and History of Syriahave the same problem - they have sen almost no edits this year, while Syria has seen far more. I would be tempted to drastically summarize those sections of Syria; the laborious part is merging the current texts of Syria and its subarticles. -- Andrew 21:48, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
In the "External links" section, we have some sites that are linked to Looksmart, and Yahoo. Those sites are search engines, which means that anybody can go to these sites and search for articles that's related to Syria. I personally think, that we need to eliminate the Yahoo and Looksmart sites. What does everyone think?-- Gramaic 04:22, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
This line doesn't make sense: "Ethnic Syrians are a mix of Semitic and Indo-European peoples that have occupied the region over time." Semitic and Indo-European aren't ethnicities but language groups, so what does it have to do with anything?
"Ethnic Syrians" are just Arabised Phoenicians, Assyrians, Babylonians, and so on, not non-existing Semitic and Indo-European ethnicities.
- Habibo
-- equitor 00:42, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
Given;
is it true to say that the office is a Presidency? Isn't a hereditary presidency, a monarchy? Avalon 04:51, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, no. It's a corrupted Presidency, an institution subjected to the one-man (or one-family) dictatorship which presently rules Syria. I think this is clear from the article. In theory, and constitutionally, and in official Syrian propaganda especially, no bloodline is necessary to become President, whereas this is the basis of Monarchy. It is also not clear that Bishar would be followed by a family member (especially since he has no grown-up son :-), in the event of his death, although that is of course a possibility.
Arre
23:25, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
I hope the compromise I've suggested is acceptable. However: I don't think there was ever 1,5 million Syrians in Lebanon. More probably somewhere around half a million, rising to 1 million during the summer season. Although there has of course been at least a couple of millions in Lebanon over the years, but I guess the text refers to a given point in time. Is it okay to change this? Arre 02:11, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
while you guys guess about what exactly happened in Lebanon and how many workers are there, Yuber keeps deleting sourced information and the link it comes from! now hes got a buddy Parmilo! read this information, it all comes from this source: Lebanese scholar Habib C. Malik has called the influx of Syrian workers into Lebanon "nothing short of a movement toward Syrian colonization of Lebanon." (Between Damascus and Jerusalem: Lebanon and Middle East Peace (The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, 1997), p. 42). In 1994, under pressure from Syria, the Lebanese government granted citizenship to over 200,000 Syrians resident in the country. Syrian nationals make up at least one-third of Lebanon's resident population. http://www.meib.org/articles/0102_l1.htm
why do you get to decide which authors are "right-wing" and which sources are "wrong"? the article doesn't say "flooded" any more, if that was your real reason you could have changed that word. I'm not the reverter, I brought properly sourced information, all you do is revert. John McW 01:02, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
oh, now a new excuse. is it really true that Wikipedia does not allow quotes in history articles with links and references, instead it only allows whatever you have made up and decide fits? I don't believe that, prove it, show me where Wikipedia says that. John McW 11:07, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
you have to prove you didn't lie about that. who agrees with you? have them name themselves. John McW 03:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC) Quote & numbers
About one million Syrian workers came into Lebanon after the war ended to find jobs in the reconstruction of the country. Lebanese scholar Habib C. Malik has called the influx of Syrian workers into Lebanon "nothing short of a movement toward Syrian colonization of Lebanon." (Between Damascus and Jerusalem: Lebanon and Middle East Peace (The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, 1997), p. 42). In 1994, under pressure from Syria, the Lebanese government granted citizenship to over 200,000 Syrians resident in the country. Syrian nationals make up at least one-third of Lebanon's resident population. [1] SlimVirgin (talk) 03:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
My thoughts:
Among other things, I just made some changes to the "workers" part, including restoring the "at least 1 million" to "about 1 million", since there has been no source forthcoming to prove that the estimates below 1 million are false. I also added a reference to the Demographics of Lebanon article, which I've just made a big overhaul of, to include among other things the Syrian workers. Finally, I removed the part about the end of Syrian occupation from the paragraph about the workers, since that is better covered in the "Events after 2005" chapter. I don't think you'll have any problems with this, but considering the heated debate above, I just wanted to let everybody know my motives. Arre 06:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
how the heck do u find out who made this page i got a project due and i need that information!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The article claims that the UN Security Council took the view that Syria was responsible for this. I don't believe that this is the case, and the link pointed to certainly doesn't confirm it. Would someone care to either fix this or provide a source? Palmiro | Talk 18:32, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
About a recent edit: I don't think there's any consensus on which city is older, Damascus or Aleppo. Also, Jericho and possibly some other still-existing cities in the area claim the title. Arre 01:25, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
I propose merging the economy section of this article with Economy of Syria.
I don't have any opinion regarding in which direction this should take place. At this time, the Economy section of Syria is better fleshed out than Economy of Syria, although the latter is an older article.
Ideally, either the entire material should be under Syria, or there should just be a very short introduction to the economy under Syria and the bulk of material should be under Economy of Syria.
Please discuss as to how this should be handled. -- Splitpeasoup 00:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
The english Syria article states, that Syria has no (national) motto. However, one of the user on Slovak Wikipedia, who claims to by Syrian, also claims that Syria has a national motto, quoting: "Umatun Arabijatun Wahida Zatu Risalatin Chalida". Could anyone confirm (and please write it out in Arabic) or deny this information, please? -- AtonX 10:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Someone has inserted huge spaces and stuck in a bunch of "his, but I have no idea how to set it back to the original. ByrdMeln 01:45, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Just a clarification. Yes some may have some Arab anscestory yet most are just Arabized and not actually ethnic Arabs just as with everyone else outside of Sa`oudiya that has been Arabized. You actually think that Arabs just whiped everyone else out? سرجون يوخنا סרגון יוחנא
> I beg to differ on many facts released here, Bedouin in the Syrian desert, Jordan, Palestine are mostly Arabs from Arabic origins. While it is true there are number of Christian Syrians whose background is not Arabic, yes that has been already discussed in the history of Syria and its name.
What practical difference does it make if someone is rather Arabized than 100 % genetically originating from the Arabian peninsula ? What matters is what the individual feels affiliated with.
What is this stupid, ignorant obsession with a people's ethnic origins ? This is pure and simple 19th-century, Blut und Bodem racist ideology ... Zionism and the state of Israel is wholly based on it.
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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213.42.1.165 deleted the following text from the article, without giving a reason. -- Ed Poor 08:16 Aug 19, 2002 (PDT)
Since 1994,
-- 151.188.16.45 20:41, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)[[Media:[[Image: == [[[ == Syria ==]]] ==]]]] has been on the official U.S. list of state sponsors of terrorism. Islamic Jihad, considered a terrorist group by the U.S. and Israel, has its headquarters in Syria.
Some writers advocate the removal of Syria from the U.N. Security Council, on the grounds that its support for terrorism contradicts the stated mission of the council.
Why isnt it there? Is it fact or not? Surely listing facts is important, and listing reasons is also important. Hiding the truth because noone can explain a fact isnt very open is it? Paul Weaver 15:20 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Could someone verify the info that 210.50.112.97 is adding? (also on Politics of Syria) Evil saltine 17:18, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)
I removed the second sentence of this article "Syria is often seen to be in support of terrorism and terrorist groups in the Middle East"? Because of NPOV concerns. Yes, this is an issue with Syria --BUTurrent location it gives the impression this is the primary item of interest concerning Syria. Other countries accused of harboring terrorism -- Libya, North Korea, Iran -- do not have a statement in such a prominent position. -- llywrch 17:40, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
People should note that there are different perceptions of terrorism. In the middle east Hezbollah and Hamas are generally considered fighters who are resisting an occupation that was outlawed by the United Nations.
Notice how the text resembles this web site http://www.nationmaster.com/country/sy/Economy
Syria's predominantly statist economy etc. is the very same. Who borrowed from who? Kstailey 14:27, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
About the recently added "SYRIA" link pointing to http://www.sptechs.com/ : I don't read Arabic, but I have a strong feeling that it's the home page of a web design company, and - therefore - link-spam. Any Arabic-speaking(+reading) person around? TroelsArvin 13:11, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I wonder why syriaonline.com ,syriagate.com are still in the External links .while other several usefull links , is considered spam !! .
I'm restoring the border dispute with Turkey over Iskenderun to the opening paragraph (it was =index&req=viewpage&pageid=834&newlang=eng map] at the official site of the Syrian Ministry of Tourism, which clearly shows Iskenderun as part of Syria. -- uriber 12:57, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It seems the Syrian parliament agrees with the ministry of tourism, but somebody insists on deleting my previous relevant edit. Hmm. -- kutukagan 09:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Syria and Lebanon, just like many other countries in the Middle East, were invaded by the Arab's and Muslims who forced the natives to convert to Islam or suffer. The real native people are not Arabs, they are of mixed Syriac (Aramaic), Greek, Roman, and Crusader blood. CHRISTIANS WHO ARE SYRIANS AND LEBANESE ARE NOT ARABS!
I'm not denying that there were real Arabs who were at the time Christians, but that was many centuries ago. It's kind of interesting to see that the Ghassanids and the Nabataeans settled in Horan. You forgot to mention Busra, which happened to be a great Christian Byzantine city that was out Yuber, but eventually these real Arab Christians converted to Islam and there decendants are no longer Christians.-- 66.81.173.40 21:16, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Regards, .-- 66.81.173.40
Just because you speak Arabic, it does not mean you are an Arab! The people of Brazil speak Portugese, does that mean that they are not Brazilians? The people of Argentine speak Spanish, does this mean they have the same culture as those from Spain? Australians speak English, does this make them American? NO. Therefore, Lebanese people who speak Arabic, are right in believing and claiming that they are Lebanese, with a distinct voice and culture.
I am not sure it is the right way to get my posting on the matter. There are several Arabic tribes that are Christians in Syria and Jordan. Even Koweit has a couple of Christian Koweiti families. One of the family members was actually the Koweiti Ambassador in Japan. HE
This is totally fucked up. Why must it be controversial every time ethnicity is being questioned.-- 140.144.175.147 20:26, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
As Gareth Hughes has stated in the discussion below, "Syria has been such a historical crossroads for nations of east and west that anything more detailed becomes increadibly complicated and controversial." By the way 140.144.175.147, whoever you are, I would suggest that you don't use any profanity in the talk page. Talk pages here in Wikipedia are for educated discussions, not street talk.-- Gramaic 23:45, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I was wondering, if I was to travel to Syria (Damascus in particular), do I need any vaccinations. sick. So what kind of vaccinations should I take if I were to travel to Syria?-- Gramaic 05:45, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I think we need to be more specific about the demographics section in the article. When people read that Syria's people are a mix of Semitic and Indo-European peoples, I think we should include what kind of Semitic and Indo-European people. For example, the Semites would be the Arabs, Aramaic , we should say that we have Greeks, Romans, etc. Just a thought.-- Gramaic 09:27, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Syrians are a mix of a variety of diffent people, nobody is pure blooded. Most people in Syria, identify as Arabs (even a quite number of Kurds, Armenians, and Circassians identify as Arabs). Yuber, the anon you had the heated debate with, I'm afraid there are many more people who think the exact same way as the person you argued with. I found a webstite called "We Are Not Arabs" which is ahttp://www.petitiononline.com/NotArab/petition.html if any of you wish].-- Gramaic 00:00, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm not saying that there aren't people (especially the Maronites, though they are in Lebanon) who deny the Arab label. However, these people are a minority among residents of Arab countries. Also, the person I had the debate with didn't sound like a Syrian at all, and they made ridiculous claims about there being no Arabs in the region that is Syria today. Are you Syrian, by the way?Yuber 00:07, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Just for the record, many Syrians and Lebanese, don't identify themselves as Arabs. Many of them say that they're Neo-Byzantine, and refer to themselves as non-Arabs who are Arabic speaking White people. 66.81.185.13 03:14, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This is quite sad. It is incredibly low for a person to deny their culture, and adopt another... Arabic speaking white people? Why are people so keen to label themselves White/European and escape their Middle Eastern ethnicity? Syrians and Lebanese are NOT Arabic, they are SYRIAN and LEBANESE. Quite different from Arabic people, as they are a mixture of MANY other groups. Labeling them as Arabic would be a mistake, rather, Arabic speaking. And Neo-Byzantine?? WTF???? Why do you identify with the Byzantines? There were people living there LONG BEFORE the Byzantines and many more after, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You should be ashamed of yourselves. And P.S., I have yet to meet a Kurd/Armenian who identifid themself as Arabic.
People identify their ethnicity in different ways, and this can change over time. We should respect that, and that there are Syrians who do not wish to be seen as Arabs, even though they are a small minority. How the Wikipedia page on 'Syria' can accomodate this, I'm not sure. We certainly cannot re-write it to say that Syrians are in no way arab, because a small group of people beleive that (very genuinely, I'm sure), when the majority - excluding the established ethnic minorities like the Kurds - appear to identify themselve as Arab quite freely. The only thing that the 'Syria' page can do is to continue to stress the diversity of origins of Syria's population, as it does. Perhaps some of the commontators here would like to write a page for Wikipedia explaining the 'Neo-Byzantine' idea. That way, Wikipdeia could cover it. - Indisciplined
"Major cities include the capital Damascus in the southwest, Aleppo in the north, and Homs."
As everyone can see, we all know that Damascus is located in the southwest of Syria, and Aleppo is in the north. Yet, this statement does not say were the city of Homs is located. I used to think that Homs was located in central Syria, after looking at the Syrian map, it seems that Homs is near the Lebanese border. So does anyone know how to classify the region of where Homs is located?-- Gramaic 06:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I added the English version home page for Souria.com in the External links section. There is an Arabic version for this website, but my reading in Arabic is not that good. Since this is an English encyclopedia, I think it's best just to have the English version. Anyway, if any of you fluent Arabic readers want to see the Arabic version of Souria.com, go ahead.-- Gramaic 06:15, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi,
I just came wandering through looking for information on the politics of Syria today. The section here is very good (better than the Encyclopedia Britannica, in fact) but when I followed the link to Politics of Syria I discovered that it's basically identical; in fact it's probably a bit rotted version, with a few CIA Worldbook facts stuck on the end.
This isn't necessarily a problem, but it does mean people's edits are going to get divided between the two pages (and probably most will edit this page).
Something similar happened at Nuclear weapon and Nuclear explosion, and the solution taken there (still in progress) is to strip down the section in Nuclear weapon until it's really a summary, so that it's obvious one should go to the effects page to make improvements.
The other possibility is to get rid of Politics of Syria by folding its information in here.
Anyway, the pieces I've read of the article are great. -- Andrew 15:08, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC) Oops, fixed links
In fact, Economy of Syria and History of Syriahave the same problem - they have sen almost no edits this year, while Syria has seen far more. I would be tempted to drastically summarize those sections of Syria; the laborious part is merging the current texts of Syria and its subarticles. -- Andrew 21:48, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
In the "External links" section, we have some sites that are linked to Looksmart, and Yahoo. Those sites are search engines, which means that anybody can go to these sites and search for articles that's related to Syria. I personally think, that we need to eliminate the Yahoo and Looksmart sites. What does everyone think?-- Gramaic 04:22, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
This line doesn't make sense: "Ethnic Syrians are a mix of Semitic and Indo-European peoples that have occupied the region over time." Semitic and Indo-European aren't ethnicities but language groups, so what does it have to do with anything?
"Ethnic Syrians" are just Arabised Phoenicians, Assyrians, Babylonians, and so on, not non-existing Semitic and Indo-European ethnicities.
- Habibo
-- equitor 00:42, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
Given;
is it true to say that the office is a Presidency? Isn't a hereditary presidency, a monarchy? Avalon 04:51, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, no. It's a corrupted Presidency, an institution subjected to the one-man (or one-family) dictatorship which presently rules Syria. I think this is clear from the article. In theory, and constitutionally, and in official Syrian propaganda especially, no bloodline is necessary to become President, whereas this is the basis of Monarchy. It is also not clear that Bishar would be followed by a family member (especially since he has no grown-up son :-), in the event of his death, although that is of course a possibility.
Arre
23:25, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
I hope the compromise I've suggested is acceptable. However: I don't think there was ever 1,5 million Syrians in Lebanon. More probably somewhere around half a million, rising to 1 million during the summer season. Although there has of course been at least a couple of millions in Lebanon over the years, but I guess the text refers to a given point in time. Is it okay to change this? Arre 02:11, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
while you guys guess about what exactly happened in Lebanon and how many workers are there, Yuber keeps deleting sourced information and the link it comes from! now hes got a buddy Parmilo! read this information, it all comes from this source: Lebanese scholar Habib C. Malik has called the influx of Syrian workers into Lebanon "nothing short of a movement toward Syrian colonization of Lebanon." (Between Damascus and Jerusalem: Lebanon and Middle East Peace (The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, 1997), p. 42). In 1994, under pressure from Syria, the Lebanese government granted citizenship to over 200,000 Syrians resident in the country. Syrian nationals make up at least one-third of Lebanon's resident population. http://www.meib.org/articles/0102_l1.htm
why do you get to decide which authors are "right-wing" and which sources are "wrong"? the article doesn't say "flooded" any more, if that was your real reason you could have changed that word. I'm not the reverter, I brought properly sourced information, all you do is revert. John McW 01:02, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
oh, now a new excuse. is it really true that Wikipedia does not allow quotes in history articles with links and references, instead it only allows whatever you have made up and decide fits? I don't believe that, prove it, show me where Wikipedia says that. John McW 11:07, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
you have to prove you didn't lie about that. who agrees with you? have them name themselves. John McW 03:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC) Quote & numbers
About one million Syrian workers came into Lebanon after the war ended to find jobs in the reconstruction of the country. Lebanese scholar Habib C. Malik has called the influx of Syrian workers into Lebanon "nothing short of a movement toward Syrian colonization of Lebanon." (Between Damascus and Jerusalem: Lebanon and Middle East Peace (The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, 1997), p. 42). In 1994, under pressure from Syria, the Lebanese government granted citizenship to over 200,000 Syrians resident in the country. Syrian nationals make up at least one-third of Lebanon's resident population. [1] SlimVirgin (talk) 03:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
My thoughts:
Among other things, I just made some changes to the "workers" part, including restoring the "at least 1 million" to "about 1 million", since there has been no source forthcoming to prove that the estimates below 1 million are false. I also added a reference to the Demographics of Lebanon article, which I've just made a big overhaul of, to include among other things the Syrian workers. Finally, I removed the part about the end of Syrian occupation from the paragraph about the workers, since that is better covered in the "Events after 2005" chapter. I don't think you'll have any problems with this, but considering the heated debate above, I just wanted to let everybody know my motives. Arre 06:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
how the heck do u find out who made this page i got a project due and i need that information!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The article claims that the UN Security Council took the view that Syria was responsible for this. I don't believe that this is the case, and the link pointed to certainly doesn't confirm it. Would someone care to either fix this or provide a source? Palmiro | Talk 18:32, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
About a recent edit: I don't think there's any consensus on which city is older, Damascus or Aleppo. Also, Jericho and possibly some other still-existing cities in the area claim the title. Arre 01:25, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
I propose merging the economy section of this article with Economy of Syria.
I don't have any opinion regarding in which direction this should take place. At this time, the Economy section of Syria is better fleshed out than Economy of Syria, although the latter is an older article.
Ideally, either the entire material should be under Syria, or there should just be a very short introduction to the economy under Syria and the bulk of material should be under Economy of Syria.
Please discuss as to how this should be handled. -- Splitpeasoup 00:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
The english Syria article states, that Syria has no (national) motto. However, one of the user on Slovak Wikipedia, who claims to by Syrian, also claims that Syria has a national motto, quoting: "Umatun Arabijatun Wahida Zatu Risalatin Chalida". Could anyone confirm (and please write it out in Arabic) or deny this information, please? -- AtonX 10:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Someone has inserted huge spaces and stuck in a bunch of "his, but I have no idea how to set it back to the original. ByrdMeln 01:45, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Just a clarification. Yes some may have some Arab anscestory yet most are just Arabized and not actually ethnic Arabs just as with everyone else outside of Sa`oudiya that has been Arabized. You actually think that Arabs just whiped everyone else out? سرجون يوخنا סרגון יוחנא
> I beg to differ on many facts released here, Bedouin in the Syrian desert, Jordan, Palestine are mostly Arabs from Arabic origins. While it is true there are number of Christian Syrians whose background is not Arabic, yes that has been already discussed in the history of Syria and its name.
What practical difference does it make if someone is rather Arabized than 100 % genetically originating from the Arabian peninsula ? What matters is what the individual feels affiliated with.
What is this stupid, ignorant obsession with a people's ethnic origins ? This is pure and simple 19th-century, Blut und Bodem racist ideology ... Zionism and the state of Israel is wholly based on it.