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There are actually a lot more math and logic symbols in the "upper half" of the 8-bit encoding (not currently shown in the table), and a TrueType version of the font ships with most versions of MS-Windows... AnonMoos 00:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
What's the purpose of the comparison table? Times New Roman is in the wrong column and Arial is used under the Times header... --13:14, 11 November 2007 86.129.40.126
What are the other three standard fonts available on most PostScript-based printers? -- Abdull 11:12, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Here's "To be or not to be, that is the question; Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing, end them. To die, to sleep; No more; and by a sleep to say we end" encoded as if it were typed in the symbol font:
Το βε ορ νοτ το βε, τηατ ισ τηε θυεστιον; Ωηετηερ 'τισ νοβλερ ιν τηε μινδ το συφφερ Τηε σλινγσ ανδ αρροωσ οφ ουτραγεουσ φορτυνε, Ορ το τακε αρμσ αγαινστ α σεα οφ τρουβλεσ, Ανδ βψ οπποσινγ, ενδ τηεμ. Το διε, το σλεεπ; Νο μορε; ανδ βψ α σλεεπ το σαψ ωε ενδ.
However, it goes without saying that a comparison of similar letterforms in the latin and greek alphabets (nevermind one based on a Y=Ψ equivalence) doesn't belong in this article, except if perhaps a section were to be written on its use in such a way (which does exist - Last Exile does it) - but, then, Wingdings is also used that way. — Random832 20:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
It seems that modern systems (mine is Linux), the Symbol font has a unicode mapping; see here (descriptions as they appear on my screen):
The letter table in the article with the symbol font row just appears as A B G etc. Maybe the article should have some info about the unicode mapping (I'm not sure what it is supposed to be). Han-Kwang ( t) 12:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Let me rephrase the question: how is the table in the article supposed to look like, especially the ascii encoded row "for older browsers"? As now, it is more like a test for what your browser is doing, since "older browsers" may display row 4 with Greek glyphs, while newer browsers display row 4 with roman glyphs. Apparently, there is no way that will work in both. I think the article could use more explanation here, about how software on various platforms is supposed to display ascii characters (0x41-0x7A) if Symbol is selected as a font. Han-Kwang ( t) 16:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Symbol is much older; I got my first IBM Selectric typewriter with a symbol typeball around 1980, and it had been around for a long time already. I don't have a citation for it's origin, but it is more like 25 years older than Unicode, and was around way before Adobe existed! The symbol element is mentioned in the IBM Selectric article. Jpgs ( talk) 00:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Both the Uppercase and Lowercase forms of J and V have non-standard Greek Letters, does someone know what they are? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.68.145 ( talk) 02:11, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
In the Adobe’s table supplied to the Unicode consortium, the position 0x27 in the font is encoded as U+220B=CONTAINS AS MEMBER. In the Apple’s version, it is U+220D=SMALL CONTAINS AS MEMBER. In the font itself the size of the glyph at 0x27 is exactly the same as at 0xEC (which has no trace of being “marked as small”). So there is no sense to make the symbol at 0x27 “smaller”.
Moreover, let me remind that the position of Unicode consortium is that one should follow the rule “forget the glyph, match the intent”. And “the rare variant ∍” makes sense only when used “in contraposition to ‘its big brother’” — when both signs are used in the same document in different meanings. But this cannot happen when Symbol font is used! Hence in situations where only one sign of ∋ and ∍ may be present, as far as I can see, only the “unadorned” encoding ∋ should be used. Ilya-zz ( talk) 09:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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There are actually a lot more math and logic symbols in the "upper half" of the 8-bit encoding (not currently shown in the table), and a TrueType version of the font ships with most versions of MS-Windows... AnonMoos 00:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
What's the purpose of the comparison table? Times New Roman is in the wrong column and Arial is used under the Times header... --13:14, 11 November 2007 86.129.40.126
What are the other three standard fonts available on most PostScript-based printers? -- Abdull 11:12, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Here's "To be or not to be, that is the question; Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing, end them. To die, to sleep; No more; and by a sleep to say we end" encoded as if it were typed in the symbol font:
Το βε ορ νοτ το βε, τηατ ισ τηε θυεστιον; Ωηετηερ 'τισ νοβλερ ιν τηε μινδ το συφφερ Τηε σλινγσ ανδ αρροωσ οφ ουτραγεουσ φορτυνε, Ορ το τακε αρμσ αγαινστ α σεα οφ τρουβλεσ, Ανδ βψ οπποσινγ, ενδ τηεμ. Το διε, το σλεεπ; Νο μορε; ανδ βψ α σλεεπ το σαψ ωε ενδ.
However, it goes without saying that a comparison of similar letterforms in the latin and greek alphabets (nevermind one based on a Y=Ψ equivalence) doesn't belong in this article, except if perhaps a section were to be written on its use in such a way (which does exist - Last Exile does it) - but, then, Wingdings is also used that way. — Random832 20:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
It seems that modern systems (mine is Linux), the Symbol font has a unicode mapping; see here (descriptions as they appear on my screen):
The letter table in the article with the symbol font row just appears as A B G etc. Maybe the article should have some info about the unicode mapping (I'm not sure what it is supposed to be). Han-Kwang ( t) 12:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Let me rephrase the question: how is the table in the article supposed to look like, especially the ascii encoded row "for older browsers"? As now, it is more like a test for what your browser is doing, since "older browsers" may display row 4 with Greek glyphs, while newer browsers display row 4 with roman glyphs. Apparently, there is no way that will work in both. I think the article could use more explanation here, about how software on various platforms is supposed to display ascii characters (0x41-0x7A) if Symbol is selected as a font. Han-Kwang ( t) 16:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Symbol is much older; I got my first IBM Selectric typewriter with a symbol typeball around 1980, and it had been around for a long time already. I don't have a citation for it's origin, but it is more like 25 years older than Unicode, and was around way before Adobe existed! The symbol element is mentioned in the IBM Selectric article. Jpgs ( talk) 00:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Both the Uppercase and Lowercase forms of J and V have non-standard Greek Letters, does someone know what they are? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.68.145 ( talk) 02:11, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
In the Adobe’s table supplied to the Unicode consortium, the position 0x27 in the font is encoded as U+220B=CONTAINS AS MEMBER. In the Apple’s version, it is U+220D=SMALL CONTAINS AS MEMBER. In the font itself the size of the glyph at 0x27 is exactly the same as at 0xEC (which has no trace of being “marked as small”). So there is no sense to make the symbol at 0x27 “smaller”.
Moreover, let me remind that the position of Unicode consortium is that one should follow the rule “forget the glyph, match the intent”. And “the rare variant ∍” makes sense only when used “in contraposition to ‘its big brother’” — when both signs are used in the same document in different meanings. But this cannot happen when Symbol font is used! Hence in situations where only one sign of ∋ and ∍ may be present, as far as I can see, only the “unadorned” encoding ∋ should be used. Ilya-zz ( talk) 09:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)