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These can all be at least stubbed using the links given; once they are please make sure to use categories such as "First Nations governments in British Columbia", which is for organizations; the cat used here already "First Nations in British Columbia" is for ethno/people articles; material on Okanagan language article is pending (not even the ONA has their page on it up yet...), and it would have a different category from these as well. Skookum1 00:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Kettle River (Columbia River). Skookum1 07:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed the maple leaf and stars and stripes added to this and wonder if it's inappropriate. No other tribal-nation pages have the US/Can national emblems, rather they have their own. I'm not an Okanagan but suspect this is a touchy subject, most likely an offensive one. Sovereignty is a big word on both sides of the border, native-politics-wise. The only relevant flag that should be in that box is the Okanagan Nation's own, and/or any of its sub-flags for each of its groups. I'll ref this to the indigenous peoples' wikiproject for further comment as I think it's important and, if I'm right, nipped in the bud. I know many BC First Nations would REALLY not like to have the Maple Leafe on pages about THEM, let's put it that way. Skookum1 18:51, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. The nomination was unhelpful, because it listed several general Google searches. Per
WP:COMMONNAME, "a search of Google Books and News Archive should be defaulted to before a web search, as they concentrate reliable sources"; the general searches are barely relevant, and the nom's Gbooks searches because they did not exclude "books, llc" (a republisher of Wikipedia articles).
The only other evidence of common usage was that supplied by Labattblueboy, whose searches excluded "wikipedia". I redid the searches excluding "books, llc", and it did not change the figures. Labattblueboy's results show that reliable sources have begun shifting towards the Syilx name, and that Sylix is narrowly the preferred term in recent usage on Gscholar. Gbooks still returns a 2:1 preference for the older "Okanagan people". Per
WP:SOURCE, academic sources are preferable, so the common usage evidence is inconclusive.
However, it was also noted that the current title "Okanagan people" could refer to "people from the
Okanagan region", whereas Sylix is unambiguous. This approach is supported by the policy
WP:NATURAL, which permits resolving ambiguity by using "an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title". On that basis, I weigh the discussion as a consensus to move to Syilx, despite that fact that mnay of the support !votes appeared to have little basis in policy. --
BrownHairedGirl
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11:16, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Okanagan people →
Syilx – Syilx is the modern name used by
http://www.syilx.org which covers all peoples of this group and is the homepage of the
Okanagan Nation Alliance. As the main article for this people, this title should reflect that usage, also being in consistency with other main articles in the same topic area where the native endonym applies. "Okanagan people" if left in place would also invite a speedy category-rename to
Category:Okanagan people or to, even worse,
Category:Okanagan. Both have PRIMARYTOPIC conflicts and so disambiguation problems as has happened with
Category:Squamish/
Category:Squamish people, where the main article's name-change predicated such an ill-advised and hard-to-resolve category name-change. Re google results:
A complicating factor, also, in the current name - other than its direct implication of PRIMARYTOPIC as "People from the Okanagan" is that the Okanagan Indian Band in Vernon's name is 'in the way', and already somebody provided their name for themselves in the intro to this article as if it were for all Syilx/Okanagans.
Re WP:UE and WP:UCN there are qualifications on both pages about conciseness and consistency within topic areas; the argument that this is "not English" doesn't wash as the term is used in English, as per the google cited, and in fact is more common, so UCN/COMMONNAME is not a viable reason to refuse this move.
German Wikipedia often has much more in-depth coverage of various indigenous topics than English Wikipedia does; I found Sinkaietk for the peoples of the Southern Okanagan, from Osoyoos southwards, there. An {{ Expand German}} template might be added to this article but I'm unsure as the source article is now about the whole of the Okanagan people; here is a googletranslate version of that page. Skookum1 ( talk) 03:48, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
This page got moved to a misspelled name. It should be Syilx, not Sylix. Pfly ( talk) 02:46, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
The article states "The Okanagan are closely related to the Spokan, Sinixt, Nez Perce..." I'm neither Syilx nor Niimíipu, but in the course of my linguistic preparation -- many years ago -- I learned that those two language families are well distinct. The Syilx clearly have a close political relationship with the Niimíipu today, but is it accurate to say that they are "closely related", which implies common cultural origins? FWIW. Laodah 19:26, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
I wonder if the image used here is inappropriate given that it pictures an Indigenous family in 1918, when the Canadian government was actively trying to eradicate Indigeneity in Canada ( See timeline). The entire framing of the image is one of a colonized Indigenous family, rather than how the Syilx people portray themselves on their website. @ CESchreyer, perhaps you have insight? Cmadland ( talk) 15:26, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 26 August 2019 and 2 December 2019. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 10:34, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
These can all be at least stubbed using the links given; once they are please make sure to use categories such as "First Nations governments in British Columbia", which is for organizations; the cat used here already "First Nations in British Columbia" is for ethno/people articles; material on Okanagan language article is pending (not even the ONA has their page on it up yet...), and it would have a different category from these as well. Skookum1 00:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Kettle River (Columbia River). Skookum1 07:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed the maple leaf and stars and stripes added to this and wonder if it's inappropriate. No other tribal-nation pages have the US/Can national emblems, rather they have their own. I'm not an Okanagan but suspect this is a touchy subject, most likely an offensive one. Sovereignty is a big word on both sides of the border, native-politics-wise. The only relevant flag that should be in that box is the Okanagan Nation's own, and/or any of its sub-flags for each of its groups. I'll ref this to the indigenous peoples' wikiproject for further comment as I think it's important and, if I'm right, nipped in the bud. I know many BC First Nations would REALLY not like to have the Maple Leafe on pages about THEM, let's put it that way. Skookum1 18:51, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. The nomination was unhelpful, because it listed several general Google searches. Per
WP:COMMONNAME, "a search of Google Books and News Archive should be defaulted to before a web search, as they concentrate reliable sources"; the general searches are barely relevant, and the nom's Gbooks searches because they did not exclude "books, llc" (a republisher of Wikipedia articles).
The only other evidence of common usage was that supplied by Labattblueboy, whose searches excluded "wikipedia". I redid the searches excluding "books, llc", and it did not change the figures. Labattblueboy's results show that reliable sources have begun shifting towards the Syilx name, and that Sylix is narrowly the preferred term in recent usage on Gscholar. Gbooks still returns a 2:1 preference for the older "Okanagan people". Per
WP:SOURCE, academic sources are preferable, so the common usage evidence is inconclusive.
However, it was also noted that the current title "Okanagan people" could refer to "people from the
Okanagan region", whereas Sylix is unambiguous. This approach is supported by the policy
WP:NATURAL, which permits resolving ambiguity by using "an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title". On that basis, I weigh the discussion as a consensus to move to Syilx, despite that fact that mnay of the support !votes appeared to have little basis in policy. --
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs)
11:16, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Okanagan people →
Syilx – Syilx is the modern name used by
http://www.syilx.org which covers all peoples of this group and is the homepage of the
Okanagan Nation Alliance. As the main article for this people, this title should reflect that usage, also being in consistency with other main articles in the same topic area where the native endonym applies. "Okanagan people" if left in place would also invite a speedy category-rename to
Category:Okanagan people or to, even worse,
Category:Okanagan. Both have PRIMARYTOPIC conflicts and so disambiguation problems as has happened with
Category:Squamish/
Category:Squamish people, where the main article's name-change predicated such an ill-advised and hard-to-resolve category name-change. Re google results:
A complicating factor, also, in the current name - other than its direct implication of PRIMARYTOPIC as "People from the Okanagan" is that the Okanagan Indian Band in Vernon's name is 'in the way', and already somebody provided their name for themselves in the intro to this article as if it were for all Syilx/Okanagans.
Re WP:UE and WP:UCN there are qualifications on both pages about conciseness and consistency within topic areas; the argument that this is "not English" doesn't wash as the term is used in English, as per the google cited, and in fact is more common, so UCN/COMMONNAME is not a viable reason to refuse this move.
German Wikipedia often has much more in-depth coverage of various indigenous topics than English Wikipedia does; I found Sinkaietk for the peoples of the Southern Okanagan, from Osoyoos southwards, there. An {{ Expand German}} template might be added to this article but I'm unsure as the source article is now about the whole of the Okanagan people; here is a googletranslate version of that page. Skookum1 ( talk) 03:48, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
This page got moved to a misspelled name. It should be Syilx, not Sylix. Pfly ( talk) 02:46, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
The article states "The Okanagan are closely related to the Spokan, Sinixt, Nez Perce..." I'm neither Syilx nor Niimíipu, but in the course of my linguistic preparation -- many years ago -- I learned that those two language families are well distinct. The Syilx clearly have a close political relationship with the Niimíipu today, but is it accurate to say that they are "closely related", which implies common cultural origins? FWIW. Laodah 19:26, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
I wonder if the image used here is inappropriate given that it pictures an Indigenous family in 1918, when the Canadian government was actively trying to eradicate Indigeneity in Canada ( See timeline). The entire framing of the image is one of a colonized Indigenous family, rather than how the Syilx people portray themselves on their website. @ CESchreyer, perhaps you have insight? Cmadland ( talk) 15:26, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 9 January 2024 and 30 April 2024. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
SB.xixʷutəm,
Staqwalqs (
article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Staqwalqs ( talk) 23:07, 6 February 2024 (UTC)