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military training is not viewed as a temporary horror, but as a continuing set of enjoyable patriotic activities.
The result is a safer soldier with more skills
However, Swiss mothers still teach their children that freedom grows from the guns of free men.
-- Stw 23:18, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I have reworked the Discussion bit. I hope it is better now. I have removed the following only because I am unable to verify it:
In addition, I have removed the following, because I do not think it belongs into an article on the military.
Maybe there is someone out there who has served the Swiss military who can help out? Kokiri 22:04, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Goniometer -- 85.0.170.70 22:22, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
The illegality of surrender was pointed out in the old Constitution; it seems to have been removed during the new revision.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.92.9.58 ( talk • contribs) 13:56, 12 August 2005
A Rank Controversy?
Cyrill, if you check out general ranks, all Western Armies use the star system even if the actual insignia worn is different. In this system, a brigadier general (called Brigadier in the British, Swiss and French armies) is a one-star general, a major general (Divisionaer in the Swiss Army) a two-star, a lieutenant general (Korpskommandant in the Swiss Army) a three-star, and a full general (and yes, that's exactly what they are called officially, 'full generals' :))a four-star general. Cyrill, I've spent 12 years so far in the Swiss Army, graduated number two in my general staff and command college class and have been on several exchange programs to other armies, so believe me when I say I know what I am talking about. Don't take my word for it, however; checking with any Army headquarters or asking any higher officer of any Western Army (plus the Russian) will easily confirm this. So please stop using the 'four-edelweiss general' bit; it's just plain ridiculous. :)— Preceding unsigned comment added by DeltaSigma ( talk • contribs) 09:39, 28 August 2005
The statement that was removed by me contains two false or misleading statements: first there is not a fully automatic assault rifle (or any other kind of rifle/gun) in EVERY household in Switzerland, but merely in those in which there is one (or several) active serving member(s) of the swiss military, or the (few) one who chose, asked and where deemed as fit, to retain such a weapon in there homes after retirement from armed service. Second, even though Switzerland does not have a staggeringly high crime rate, claiming that in Switzerland "some time periods have no crime rate at all" is totatally disingenuous because "some time periods" is not defined. If we talk minutes or hours or even in some case days, that statement might be true but formulated as it is, it gives the false impression that Switzerland is some kind of a crime ridden Shangri-la. Oh yes, and there aren't any official statistics about murders committed with army issued guns in Switzerland (my guess about why this is so is as good as yours). Moumine 22:40, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
There's a link in this section to the AAD, a new SAS type division, but the disambiguation page it links to has nothing about Switzerland. Whoever put the link on there, could you please fix the link, remove it, or create a new page for it as you see fit? Archtemplar 17:43, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Mirage (Fighter and Reconaisseurs) are not in service anymore in the swiss airforce. Goniometer
Hi, I was reading the article, and the author mentions something about the AAD, Switzerland's new SAS-type Special Forces unit. However, I cannot find any reference to this on Google, or even on Wikipedia. Could someone help me out please? Thanks. -- Tom Black 11:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Why is it referred to as SAS-type? That is not necessary, it impies that the SAS helped set it ups like the NZSAS or Australian SASR.-- Conor Fallon ( talk) 18:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Is the Swiss doctrine similar to that of the Military of Yugoslavia (Tito-era)?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.203.200.2 ( talk • contribs) 16:30, 28 June 2006
"only officers are allowed to carry the knife with the opener"
As a conscript I've never been told that I'm not allowed to carry a wine opener. Maybe it stands somewhere in the "Réglement de Service", but I doubt it. 128.178.26.187 14:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
OK, I can't find anything about it, but is Switzerland obligated by treaty to provide military defense services for Liechtenstein? The CIA World Fact book (see this link) indicates so, but I can't find much else about it. Streltzer 01:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I am confused as the difference between regular Swiss conscripts and the reserves. When is does a soldier in the militia become a reservist? I would appriciate any information in this matter, thank you— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.74.48.170 ( talk • contribs) 03:58, 26 December 2006
On March 1, 2007, Switzerland accidentally invaded the neighbouring nation of Liechtenstein. This happened when a Swiss Army unit took a wrong turn during a training exercise. [1] Both countries immediately dismissed the incident despite the 170 armed Swiss troops which marched across the border into the neighboring country. The incident will most likely be forgotten in history, but it is the only example of aggression from either European country in modern history.
Where in this article should this little tidbit be mantioned, if at all? CeeWhy2 11:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not even sure that counts as an invasion, they didn't make a declaration of war, and they were there by accident. Looks more like a wrong turn than an invasion. All-though it is pretty interesting, it doesn't seem worthy of entry in the article. PBGuardsman 03:16, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Two articles: List of countries by number of active troops and List of countries by size of armed forces put the number of active troops in Switzerland at 3,000-4,000 only, as compared to 220,000 in this article. Can someone verify and correct? -- Vsion 18:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Although the swiss army is conscription based (which gives the 200'000 number, 180'000 active and 20000 reserve), there is a small cadre of professional personal, a few thousand strong). Traditionally, the professionals fell in three categorys: Professional Officers (either employed in training positions or staff positions) Professional NonComs (employed in training positions) Festungswachtkorps (Fortress Guard Corps, mainting and guarding fixed installations, other security related tasks).
Those two numbers are often confused, as the professional arm constitutes the permanently standing part of the army, while the conscripts man the regular units and are only called up 3-4 weeks per year.
Nik
Should be noted that the tradition of swiss soldiers bringing their guns home has caused an alarming amount of suicides and murders... which is increasing. Should this be considered a military or civilian matter?
-G
I'm 34 and still in the force as simple soldier until December. 34 is the age limit. Nmacpherson 14:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
[4] 205.228.74.13 ( talk) 10:24, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
The maximum age is not 26, it's 34 as far as i know. furhter i have never heard so far, that italian speaking soldiers are overproportionally forced to do a career. the statement, that many prefer the rank of a seargant (to an officer) because of the closer contact to the troops is highly questionable. mostly, it's because seargants just don't want to serve a longer term (soldier: 300 days, seargant: 450 days, (first) lieutnant: 600 days) or because they simply failed the selective procedure for officers school. the fact that should be stressed more regarding military careers, is that hardly anyone nowadays volunteers for higher officer ranks (such as major, lieutnant-colonel, colonel). even already to be a captain brings a lot of administrative work outside the repetition courses, which makes service more or less a hobby one has to follow all year long. only 20/30 years ago, military career and being at least a lieutnant was essential for the private career, especially in higher management in branches as banking and insurance (which are kind of important in switzerland ;-)). the armed forces (especially the officer schools) used to be the most important networking platform in swiss economy. this is not like that anymore, even though many companies still accept military training in a leading rank as a meaningful reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.74.176.157 ( talk) 11:11, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I think that if you're past 26 you're not required to report to do army service. For example, if you obtain Swiss nationality at age 27, you're not liable to serve. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.105.34.15 ( talk) 21:01, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
"Wille subsequently was put in command of the second complete mobilization, and Switzerland escaped invasion in the course of World War I." This implies that Wille's leadership is what prevented an invasion. But would either side have gained a strategic advantage by invading? Belgium was the obvious route for a German invasion of France, since the French-German border was short and rugged, and the goal was Paris. Did Germany actually consider the Swiss route? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dynzmoar ( talk • contribs) 12:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of their involvement in Afghanistan? I thought i heard they were sent out there with German troops? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.71.216.73 ( talk) 17:04, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
The article and photographs have undoubtedly improved, but nevertheless I'm wondering if there is any need for KKdt Keckeis' portrait and what signification the picture of the Taschenmunition/Munitions de poche has since it's neither issued anymore and currently being withdrawn from servicemen.
From my point of view the photos of the patrol boat and "army exercise" are nice, but could be left away in favour of, for instance, an image showing a vehicle/APC (i.e. Piranha or Spz 2000).
Before I just fiddle around with the article, I'd like to hear comments by others. Zigibumbala ( talk) 21:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I've read the article several times and I can't find anything about the Swiss Army rank structure including illustrations. Am I overlooking something such as a link? The article seems incomplete without it. Yes, there is mention of the very senior ranks -- Brigadier, etc.-- TGC55 ( talk) 20:24, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
To Swiss Armed Forces, as it is clearly stated that that is the real name.-- RM ( Be my friend) 16:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
The main page can likely use a paragraph on the relation of the Swiss Armed forces to the Papal Swiss Guard. 143.232.210.38 ( talk) 23:12, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
The name of the Army in Romansch is in English?
Why does that seem highly unlikely?
Varlaam (
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16:11, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
<a href="
/info/en/?search=Military_of_Switzerland#cite_note-basics-1">"The basic organisation of the Swiss Armed Forces"</a>
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I agree that "Swiss Army" and "Switzerland Army" (?!) are bad titles, considering that "army" commonly refers to only the land forces. However, I would suggest to use "Swiss Armed Forces" as title, since that is how the Swiss military refers to itself in English [5]. It is also consistent with the article title on the German, French, and Italian Wikipedia, as well as with most article titles in List of militaries by country, where "XY Armed Forces" seems more common that "Military of XY". -- Novarupta ( talk) 14:17, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
The article title should be reverted back to Swiss Army. -- Degen Earthfast ( talk) 11:50, 6 August 2016 (UTC) AND the Air Corps is just one of the Army, traditional land force's units, while the "navy", such as it is, is part of the engineers.-- Degen Earthfast ( talk) 11:56, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Minor histmerge also required. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:05, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Military of Switzerland →
Swiss Armed Forces – Swiss Armed Forces is the official name in English (see
[6]). It is also the commonly used name in English, e.g. in scientific articles
[7], news reports
[8] and by other organisations
[9]. I would also argue that it is more natural than the current name, and at least equal in terms of the other
wp:criteria.
Novarupta (
talk)
20:35, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
Stop removing this section. The info is properly sourced and has a clear relation to the Swiss Navy/Swiss Armed Forces. That you do not like it, User:FFA P-16, is not a reason to remove this sourced information. The Banner talk 19:40, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
It is clear to me that this term is not used in Switzerland, but is it really necessary to create a "trivia" section for it? Please see WP:TRIVIA. I recommend merging this into the lakes flotilla section. I don't see how it is inappropriate for that section. -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 19:04, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
This article states that Guillaume Henri Dufour served as the Federal General of Switzerland twice in his career: 1847–1848 and 1856–1857. However, the article General (Switzerland) states that he served three times: beginning in 1849, 27 December 1856, and 1859. There are at least two discrepancies between these two articles. Additionally, the source this article cites for this can only be accessed if one is subscribed, and the other article cites no source at all. Even worse, Dufour's own article does not mention his two/three terms as general at all. Some help would be greatly appreciated.
One more thing: because more editors will likely see this talk page than the other ones that I will post on, I noticed that the article of Christophe Keckeis still shows him as currently serving in the Swiss military, while André Blattmann's article shows him completely retired from the Swiss military (something I did as an assumption). Does Keckeis still serve in the military, and is Blattmann retired from the military (and not just as Chief of the Armed Forces)? -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 23:07, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
I am more active in the today swiss aivatic field or swiss military vehicles, so i only have found this references in the german wikipedia about Guillame-Henri Dufour abot his Military service (there are also refs. about him as politican, as Red Cross helper, as Ingenier).As Genneral in: Sonderbund War, 1849 (Büsinger Handel [1] [2], 1856 ( Neuchâtel Crisis [3]) und 1859 ( Savoyer Handel [4])
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military training is not viewed as a temporary horror, but as a continuing set of enjoyable patriotic activities.
The result is a safer soldier with more skills
However, Swiss mothers still teach their children that freedom grows from the guns of free men.
-- Stw 23:18, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I have reworked the Discussion bit. I hope it is better now. I have removed the following only because I am unable to verify it:
In addition, I have removed the following, because I do not think it belongs into an article on the military.
Maybe there is someone out there who has served the Swiss military who can help out? Kokiri 22:04, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Goniometer -- 85.0.170.70 22:22, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
The illegality of surrender was pointed out in the old Constitution; it seems to have been removed during the new revision.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.92.9.58 ( talk • contribs) 13:56, 12 August 2005
A Rank Controversy?
Cyrill, if you check out general ranks, all Western Armies use the star system even if the actual insignia worn is different. In this system, a brigadier general (called Brigadier in the British, Swiss and French armies) is a one-star general, a major general (Divisionaer in the Swiss Army) a two-star, a lieutenant general (Korpskommandant in the Swiss Army) a three-star, and a full general (and yes, that's exactly what they are called officially, 'full generals' :))a four-star general. Cyrill, I've spent 12 years so far in the Swiss Army, graduated number two in my general staff and command college class and have been on several exchange programs to other armies, so believe me when I say I know what I am talking about. Don't take my word for it, however; checking with any Army headquarters or asking any higher officer of any Western Army (plus the Russian) will easily confirm this. So please stop using the 'four-edelweiss general' bit; it's just plain ridiculous. :)— Preceding unsigned comment added by DeltaSigma ( talk • contribs) 09:39, 28 August 2005
The statement that was removed by me contains two false or misleading statements: first there is not a fully automatic assault rifle (or any other kind of rifle/gun) in EVERY household in Switzerland, but merely in those in which there is one (or several) active serving member(s) of the swiss military, or the (few) one who chose, asked and where deemed as fit, to retain such a weapon in there homes after retirement from armed service. Second, even though Switzerland does not have a staggeringly high crime rate, claiming that in Switzerland "some time periods have no crime rate at all" is totatally disingenuous because "some time periods" is not defined. If we talk minutes or hours or even in some case days, that statement might be true but formulated as it is, it gives the false impression that Switzerland is some kind of a crime ridden Shangri-la. Oh yes, and there aren't any official statistics about murders committed with army issued guns in Switzerland (my guess about why this is so is as good as yours). Moumine 22:40, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
There's a link in this section to the AAD, a new SAS type division, but the disambiguation page it links to has nothing about Switzerland. Whoever put the link on there, could you please fix the link, remove it, or create a new page for it as you see fit? Archtemplar 17:43, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Mirage (Fighter and Reconaisseurs) are not in service anymore in the swiss airforce. Goniometer
Hi, I was reading the article, and the author mentions something about the AAD, Switzerland's new SAS-type Special Forces unit. However, I cannot find any reference to this on Google, or even on Wikipedia. Could someone help me out please? Thanks. -- Tom Black 11:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Why is it referred to as SAS-type? That is not necessary, it impies that the SAS helped set it ups like the NZSAS or Australian SASR.-- Conor Fallon ( talk) 18:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Is the Swiss doctrine similar to that of the Military of Yugoslavia (Tito-era)?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.203.200.2 ( talk • contribs) 16:30, 28 June 2006
"only officers are allowed to carry the knife with the opener"
As a conscript I've never been told that I'm not allowed to carry a wine opener. Maybe it stands somewhere in the "Réglement de Service", but I doubt it. 128.178.26.187 14:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
OK, I can't find anything about it, but is Switzerland obligated by treaty to provide military defense services for Liechtenstein? The CIA World Fact book (see this link) indicates so, but I can't find much else about it. Streltzer 01:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I am confused as the difference between regular Swiss conscripts and the reserves. When is does a soldier in the militia become a reservist? I would appriciate any information in this matter, thank you— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.74.48.170 ( talk • contribs) 03:58, 26 December 2006
On March 1, 2007, Switzerland accidentally invaded the neighbouring nation of Liechtenstein. This happened when a Swiss Army unit took a wrong turn during a training exercise. [1] Both countries immediately dismissed the incident despite the 170 armed Swiss troops which marched across the border into the neighboring country. The incident will most likely be forgotten in history, but it is the only example of aggression from either European country in modern history.
Where in this article should this little tidbit be mantioned, if at all? CeeWhy2 11:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not even sure that counts as an invasion, they didn't make a declaration of war, and they were there by accident. Looks more like a wrong turn than an invasion. All-though it is pretty interesting, it doesn't seem worthy of entry in the article. PBGuardsman 03:16, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Two articles: List of countries by number of active troops and List of countries by size of armed forces put the number of active troops in Switzerland at 3,000-4,000 only, as compared to 220,000 in this article. Can someone verify and correct? -- Vsion 18:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Although the swiss army is conscription based (which gives the 200'000 number, 180'000 active and 20000 reserve), there is a small cadre of professional personal, a few thousand strong). Traditionally, the professionals fell in three categorys: Professional Officers (either employed in training positions or staff positions) Professional NonComs (employed in training positions) Festungswachtkorps (Fortress Guard Corps, mainting and guarding fixed installations, other security related tasks).
Those two numbers are often confused, as the professional arm constitutes the permanently standing part of the army, while the conscripts man the regular units and are only called up 3-4 weeks per year.
Nik
Should be noted that the tradition of swiss soldiers bringing their guns home has caused an alarming amount of suicides and murders... which is increasing. Should this be considered a military or civilian matter?
-G
I'm 34 and still in the force as simple soldier until December. 34 is the age limit. Nmacpherson 14:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
[4] 205.228.74.13 ( talk) 10:24, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
The maximum age is not 26, it's 34 as far as i know. furhter i have never heard so far, that italian speaking soldiers are overproportionally forced to do a career. the statement, that many prefer the rank of a seargant (to an officer) because of the closer contact to the troops is highly questionable. mostly, it's because seargants just don't want to serve a longer term (soldier: 300 days, seargant: 450 days, (first) lieutnant: 600 days) or because they simply failed the selective procedure for officers school. the fact that should be stressed more regarding military careers, is that hardly anyone nowadays volunteers for higher officer ranks (such as major, lieutnant-colonel, colonel). even already to be a captain brings a lot of administrative work outside the repetition courses, which makes service more or less a hobby one has to follow all year long. only 20/30 years ago, military career and being at least a lieutnant was essential for the private career, especially in higher management in branches as banking and insurance (which are kind of important in switzerland ;-)). the armed forces (especially the officer schools) used to be the most important networking platform in swiss economy. this is not like that anymore, even though many companies still accept military training in a leading rank as a meaningful reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.74.176.157 ( talk) 11:11, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I think that if you're past 26 you're not required to report to do army service. For example, if you obtain Swiss nationality at age 27, you're not liable to serve. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.105.34.15 ( talk) 21:01, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
"Wille subsequently was put in command of the second complete mobilization, and Switzerland escaped invasion in the course of World War I." This implies that Wille's leadership is what prevented an invasion. But would either side have gained a strategic advantage by invading? Belgium was the obvious route for a German invasion of France, since the French-German border was short and rugged, and the goal was Paris. Did Germany actually consider the Swiss route? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dynzmoar ( talk • contribs) 12:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of their involvement in Afghanistan? I thought i heard they were sent out there with German troops? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.71.216.73 ( talk) 17:04, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
The article and photographs have undoubtedly improved, but nevertheless I'm wondering if there is any need for KKdt Keckeis' portrait and what signification the picture of the Taschenmunition/Munitions de poche has since it's neither issued anymore and currently being withdrawn from servicemen.
From my point of view the photos of the patrol boat and "army exercise" are nice, but could be left away in favour of, for instance, an image showing a vehicle/APC (i.e. Piranha or Spz 2000).
Before I just fiddle around with the article, I'd like to hear comments by others. Zigibumbala ( talk) 21:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I've read the article several times and I can't find anything about the Swiss Army rank structure including illustrations. Am I overlooking something such as a link? The article seems incomplete without it. Yes, there is mention of the very senior ranks -- Brigadier, etc.-- TGC55 ( talk) 20:24, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
To Swiss Armed Forces, as it is clearly stated that that is the real name.-- RM ( Be my friend) 16:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
The main page can likely use a paragraph on the relation of the Swiss Armed forces to the Papal Swiss Guard. 143.232.210.38 ( talk) 23:12, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
The name of the Army in Romansch is in English?
Why does that seem highly unlikely?
Varlaam (
talk)
16:11, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
<a href="
/info/en/?search=Military_of_Switzerland#cite_note-basics-1">"The basic organisation of the Swiss Armed Forces"</a>
Meevinman (
talk)
02:02, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Edit: Sorry, do not know how to text link on Wiki Meevinman ( talk) 02:03, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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I'm finding this last move of this longstanding stable title to be problematic for a couple of reasons:
– wbm1058 ( talk) 16:12, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
I agree that "Swiss Army" and "Switzerland Army" (?!) are bad titles, considering that "army" commonly refers to only the land forces. However, I would suggest to use "Swiss Armed Forces" as title, since that is how the Swiss military refers to itself in English [5]. It is also consistent with the article title on the German, French, and Italian Wikipedia, as well as with most article titles in List of militaries by country, where "XY Armed Forces" seems more common that "Military of XY". -- Novarupta ( talk) 14:17, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
The article title should be reverted back to Swiss Army. -- Degen Earthfast ( talk) 11:50, 6 August 2016 (UTC) AND the Air Corps is just one of the Army, traditional land force's units, while the "navy", such as it is, is part of the engineers.-- Degen Earthfast ( talk) 11:56, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Minor histmerge also required. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:05, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Military of Switzerland →
Swiss Armed Forces – Swiss Armed Forces is the official name in English (see
[6]). It is also the commonly used name in English, e.g. in scientific articles
[7], news reports
[8] and by other organisations
[9]. I would also argue that it is more natural than the current name, and at least equal in terms of the other
wp:criteria.
Novarupta (
talk)
20:35, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
Stop removing this section. The info is properly sourced and has a clear relation to the Swiss Navy/Swiss Armed Forces. That you do not like it, User:FFA P-16, is not a reason to remove this sourced information. The Banner talk 19:40, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
It is clear to me that this term is not used in Switzerland, but is it really necessary to create a "trivia" section for it? Please see WP:TRIVIA. I recommend merging this into the lakes flotilla section. I don't see how it is inappropriate for that section. -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 19:04, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
This article states that Guillaume Henri Dufour served as the Federal General of Switzerland twice in his career: 1847–1848 and 1856–1857. However, the article General (Switzerland) states that he served three times: beginning in 1849, 27 December 1856, and 1859. There are at least two discrepancies between these two articles. Additionally, the source this article cites for this can only be accessed if one is subscribed, and the other article cites no source at all. Even worse, Dufour's own article does not mention his two/three terms as general at all. Some help would be greatly appreciated.
One more thing: because more editors will likely see this talk page than the other ones that I will post on, I noticed that the article of Christophe Keckeis still shows him as currently serving in the Swiss military, while André Blattmann's article shows him completely retired from the Swiss military (something I did as an assumption). Does Keckeis still serve in the military, and is Blattmann retired from the military (and not just as Chief of the Armed Forces)? -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 23:07, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
I am more active in the today swiss aivatic field or swiss military vehicles, so i only have found this references in the german wikipedia about Guillame-Henri Dufour abot his Military service (there are also refs. about him as politican, as Red Cross helper, as Ingenier).As Genneral in: Sonderbund War, 1849 (Büsinger Handel [1] [2], 1856 ( Neuchâtel Crisis [3]) und 1859 ( Savoyer Handel [4])
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