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I think, or at least hope, I'm missing something. This article contains a section on swimming in non-aquatic organisms but there doesn't seem to be one mention of swimming in organisms that swim naturally! Where can I find the article on swimming in fish, whales, squid, etc? Surely it exists? Martin ( Smith609 – Talk) 20:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
So, is it agreed? Who wants to do the move? I could, but I'm going to be busy with RL stuff for a while, so it could be a while.
Mokele (
talk)
17:08, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
One of the best known swimmers in the United States definately have to be Kristen. She is the next up and coming 2012 London Olympic Games star currently training in Baltimore at the NBAC. So look out Michael Phelps this girl has got you beat!
Swimfrogs24 ( talk) 02:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
The amount of water a swimmer needs daily is your body weight multiplied by .3 for the minimum number of ounces you require daily. Many coaches will say that taking "gulps" at practice are better than sips. The night before swim practice you should drink 16 oz of water, best before bed. The morning of practice you should drink 16 oz of water as soon as you get up. If the practice is later in the day you would drink 17 oz of water 2 hours before practice. About 15 minutes before your work out you should drink 4-8 oz of water or any type of sports drink. Try to avoid any carbonated beverages. Also avoid caffeine because it is bad for your heart. Drinking fruit juice before practice can loosen stools and cause gas so it is smart to stay away from those types of beverages. During your work out you should be drinking fluids every 15 minutes. After the work out is finished you should drink 24 oz of fluid for every pound that was lost within 2 hours after exercise. The best type of drink to have after practice is a sports drink such as Gatorade. It is not recomended to drink carbonated drinks or alcohol after practice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbond2 ( talk • contribs) 05:19, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
The lead mentioned bathing, cooling, travel, fishing, escape, exercise, and sport as the main reasons to swim. Escape is ambiguous and points to a disambig page, which doesn't help clarify anything. I replace it with recreation. Travel seems absurd; perhaps what was meant was locomotion. I deleted that, but perhaps someone wants to put in locomotion.
In the recreation section, I expanded the "most" comment to hopefully make it not require a citation as was requested long ago above. If you have doubts about the new comment, feel free to delete it.
I did delete the dubious content about the best stroke for rough open water, that doesn't particularly belong in here anyway.
The sport section was odd, because it was about exercise not competitive sport, whereas it referred to an article only about competitive swimming as the main article. So I moved that content to the recreation section, and put the lead from swimming (sport) in as the content of the sport section. And I retitled both accordingly.
Finally I moved the content on styles to the section on styles, which had very little content before.
-- Ccrrccrr ( talk) 00:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
This article is almost entirely original research, with many POV statements such as "swimming is healthy", and next to no references. As such it makes good promotional brochure text for a swimming club but a poor encyclopedia entry. I have tried to add some tags but was blocked by semiprotection. I am instead going to alert various admins, groups, and projects about this article. DQweny ( talk) 00:16, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
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Please see the talk page. This article is almost entirely original research and makes various POV statements that would be called peacock if they were in reference to a person rather than an activity. While I doubt that many people are opposed to swimming, a statement such as "swimming is healthy" should be attributed to a notable source rather than made on the basis of the article author's subjective opinion and then presented as fact. At this point all I want to do is add some tags indicating where the article needs improvement. DQweny ( talk) 00:26, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Added a reference for swimming as exercise -- Sultec ( talk) 03:29, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
I have added 'locomotion' as a primary use of swimming - it seems silly to have the use of swimming as a means of travel from one point to another missing from the list. I'm also thinking of how to word the use 'avoidance of drowning', as this is a traditional reason for learning to swim - normally people learn to float persistently as part of the process of learning to swim, and the alternative of drowning is a major difference between being in water, and on dry land (where it doesn't necessarily matter if one can't walk).
Does anyone have a link or citation for the following?
Due to a British disregard for splashing, Trudgen employed a scissor kick instead of the front crawl's flutter kick.
It's the use of 'disregard' (disdain?) and the supposed reason for Trudgen's scissor kick that I'm wondering about. Some contradictions here between various WKP entries: Here it claims that Trudgens use of the flutter kick was a mistake. Here it claims that the Native American style of front crawl was the one that was considered excessively 'splashy'. Centrepull ( talk) 13:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Quite an extreme sport, huh? From personal experience I'd say that under normal conditions swimming itself isn't more dangerous than running, it's hard to get injured. Of course, when someone tries to run through jungles and swim in the Amazon nobody could predict the consequences, but one's again it's the matter of conditions and environment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.132.163.17 ( talk) 08:56, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
- Water kills. The human being who can't can't get out of the water eventually and certainly dies from in it. Depending on circumstances, death occurs due to drowning asphyxiation, hypothermia, impact trauma (in fast moving flood or river water), and occurs long before any serious risk of dehydration, starvation, exhaustion, and with enormously higher probability than due to predation.
- Swimming is a key survival skill in almost all incidents involving people entering water while alighting a disabled vessel or aircraft or falling accidentally in it from land, especially while in motor vehicles. It is also an essential rescue skill, and as such a prerequisite for several rescue-related professions.
- Travel is done by swimming with perhaps surprising frequency. Consider J.F. Kennedy and his sailors swimming island to island (not to mention his brother's claim of leaving Chappaquiddick by swimming), innumerable migrants swimming across rivers and straits, cases of political refugees swimming in the Baltic Sea, and many instances of people jumping in the water and swimming ashore from vessels not intended to reach land where they planned to go. Swimming travel is even featured in a recent motion picture "Welcome". http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1314280/
Spamhog ( talk) 14:35, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
wading redirects here. why? 98.206.155.53 ( talk) 06:17, 8 October 2010 (UTC) ROTFL! good question! Spamhog ( talk) 22:56, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a natural way to get rid of the chlorine smell from your body after you have been for a swim at the pool? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.170.78.6 ( talk) 04:26, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
How do you swim? Simple question, commonly associated with the topic, yet the article doesn't address it at all. No physics of swimming? Why? The article looks like a collection of statements which one might find by typing 'swimming' into a search engine. -- IronMaidenRocks ( talk) 05:38, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I came to this article seeking information on how many people actually know how to swim, and found none outside of Sweden. ― cobaltcigs 23:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
they both love swimming.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.143.43.249 ( talk) 11:13, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I read an aticle a couple of years ago that described how "just looking at the water in a swimming pool, lake or river from your window can calm ow, doee anyone know of such an aticle? Thank you for your assitance. Susan 3-29-2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.244.85.25 ( talk) 19:04, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
At the end of the Risks section there was the statement: "Around any pool area, safety equipment and supervision by personnel trained in rescue techniques is important. It is required at most competitive swimming meets, and is a zoning requirement for most residential pools in the United States." with the reference www.swimmingpool.com/safety/safety-equipment .
Some issues with this:
I have tried to fix, but it could do with some more work.
The same reference is used later in the article to support the statement: "Safety fencing and equipment is mandatory at public pools and a zoning requirement at most residential pools in the United States." where again it does not support "mandatory" and "requirement". I have not tried to fix this bit. FrankSier ( talk) 23:43, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
It is always a good idea to have children become "water-safe" at a young age, so that there is less arguing in later years. In many cases, the child will not enjoy the water and will not take to it immediately. When having fun at the beach, parents cannot enjoy it as much if they have younger children... this will be true until they grow up. But, if the child is "water-safe" then you won't have to worry as much... I LOVE JACK!!!!
First off, I'm only here because upon looking up the word decollete, I ended up with A LOT of history and historical periods I was not very familiar, and fashions, like displaying bare breasts in dresses, being fashionable for a long period preceding the Victorian era. Following a "bathing machine" link among others, brought me here.
Suggestion: IF not part of the historical articles regarding beach clothing or nude sunbathing/swimming, I recall something I read many years ago that might be of interest to include among such articles and history.
I believe during a period of very prudish social pressures regarding beaches there was some sort of massive social protest on a beach in Australia. I think it might have been not against nude sunbathing but that they were banning swimming or enjoying beaches even clothed, or banning any beach activities on Sundays ... or something along these lines. I'm recalling some sort of massive protest[civil disobedience], I think on a Sunday, a protest against both churches and the laws banning beach activities. It's been decades since I read about this historical event, but believe that a large group of the public, men AND women, protested by going to the beach, and breaking not some sort of silly prudish law restricting even swimming by anyone or probably I suppose at the least, the ban on mixing the sexes. What I'm recalling is a massive group of men and women shedding all clothing and going for a swim, to protest the highly restrictive beach laws. It's been a LONG time since I read that, and the memory is fuzzy but I think what was so unusual about it was it was a LONG time ago, like 19century or early decades of the 20th perhaps and the protest was against something much more draconian than banning nudity but banning even clothed or mixed sexes on the beach, but somehow the protest ended up a nude swimming event with a great number of the public showing up and participating, thumbing their noses at the domination of the churches and repression of the government. My recollection is poor and perhaps I've been highly inaccurate about this protest, but if it could be found of what I've typed about here, it might be an interesting addition to this section of wikipedia regarding clothing and swimming and "morality" of the day.
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The result of the move request was: no consensus. While I think those in support have made a reasonable case for human swimming meeting the long-term significance criterion of primary topic, those in opposition have also made a good case that it does not meet the usage criterion. When the criteria are split like this and there is not a clear supermajority (6–4 by my count) either way then we end with no consensus. Jenks24 ( talk) 16:16, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
– I can't shake the feeling that when people look up "swimming" they are thinking about the human activity. I grant that many links intend the sport of swimming, but the sport is a subtopic of the human activity of swimming. By comparison, Running is a primary topic article on the activity (generally), and there is a whole family of articles on competitive running events like Middle-distance running. Relisted. Jenks24 ( talk) 13:40, 25 August 2014 (UTC) bd2412 T 22:16, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Following this move result which established consensus that swimming (sport) needed no further disambiguation, I think it might be worth reopening the human swimming → swimming discussion.
The point that doesn't seem to have been made before (or have I missed it?) is that swimming as an article title is a noun, not a verb. In that context, I think the primary meaning is the human activity, with no more disambiguation required.
But before raising this as a formal RM I thought I'd seek informal comment here. Andrewa ( talk) 02:41, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Read the talk page section directly above this. We don't need to have the same discussion every few months. HCA ( talk) 16:49, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
All navies and marines require recruits to be able to swim. Why refer to the United States Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard alone? Royalcourtier ( talk) 08:18, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Wikipedia has an inherent bias towards humans. This is OK; last I checked, the majority of our readers are human. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:53, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
– Three years after the failure of
#Requested move 2, let's try again:
human swimming is the default, unmarked meaning of the word "swimming". Thus, it should occupy the undisambiguated title,
Swimming, per
WP:BROADCONCEPT: if the primary meaning of a term proposed for disambiguation is a broad concept [...], then the page located at that title should be an article describing it, and not a disambiguation page
. There are two possible competitors,
aquatic locomotion of animals, an even broader topic but only casually referred to as "swimming", and
swimming (sport), a more popular article, however, about a subtopic of swimming. To quote a comment from the last debate, the primary topic is swimming done by humans, whether done for sport, leisure, or out of lifesaving necessity. I'm surprised this is even an issue, since any person coming to this page would see that topic and not be surprised by it.
No such user (
talk) 13:57, 24 October 2017 (UTC) --Relisting.
Steel1943 (
talk)
15:01, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Pursuant to the discussion above, "locomotion of an organism through the water" is a WP:DABCONCEPT, not an ambiguous concept, and specifically not a concept ambiguous to "human swimming". I propose that we merge Human swimming into Aquatic locomotion and move the combined article to Swimming (with the existing disambiguation page to be moved to Swimming (disambiguation)). This would be consistent with our treatment of Running and Walking. bd2412 T 14:32, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
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I think, or at least hope, I'm missing something. This article contains a section on swimming in non-aquatic organisms but there doesn't seem to be one mention of swimming in organisms that swim naturally! Where can I find the article on swimming in fish, whales, squid, etc? Surely it exists? Martin ( Smith609 – Talk) 20:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
So, is it agreed? Who wants to do the move? I could, but I'm going to be busy with RL stuff for a while, so it could be a while.
Mokele (
talk)
17:08, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
One of the best known swimmers in the United States definately have to be Kristen. She is the next up and coming 2012 London Olympic Games star currently training in Baltimore at the NBAC. So look out Michael Phelps this girl has got you beat!
Swimfrogs24 ( talk) 02:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
The amount of water a swimmer needs daily is your body weight multiplied by .3 for the minimum number of ounces you require daily. Many coaches will say that taking "gulps" at practice are better than sips. The night before swim practice you should drink 16 oz of water, best before bed. The morning of practice you should drink 16 oz of water as soon as you get up. If the practice is later in the day you would drink 17 oz of water 2 hours before practice. About 15 minutes before your work out you should drink 4-8 oz of water or any type of sports drink. Try to avoid any carbonated beverages. Also avoid caffeine because it is bad for your heart. Drinking fruit juice before practice can loosen stools and cause gas so it is smart to stay away from those types of beverages. During your work out you should be drinking fluids every 15 minutes. After the work out is finished you should drink 24 oz of fluid for every pound that was lost within 2 hours after exercise. The best type of drink to have after practice is a sports drink such as Gatorade. It is not recomended to drink carbonated drinks or alcohol after practice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbond2 ( talk • contribs) 05:19, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
The lead mentioned bathing, cooling, travel, fishing, escape, exercise, and sport as the main reasons to swim. Escape is ambiguous and points to a disambig page, which doesn't help clarify anything. I replace it with recreation. Travel seems absurd; perhaps what was meant was locomotion. I deleted that, but perhaps someone wants to put in locomotion.
In the recreation section, I expanded the "most" comment to hopefully make it not require a citation as was requested long ago above. If you have doubts about the new comment, feel free to delete it.
I did delete the dubious content about the best stroke for rough open water, that doesn't particularly belong in here anyway.
The sport section was odd, because it was about exercise not competitive sport, whereas it referred to an article only about competitive swimming as the main article. So I moved that content to the recreation section, and put the lead from swimming (sport) in as the content of the sport section. And I retitled both accordingly.
Finally I moved the content on styles to the section on styles, which had very little content before.
-- Ccrrccrr ( talk) 00:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
This article is almost entirely original research, with many POV statements such as "swimming is healthy", and next to no references. As such it makes good promotional brochure text for a swimming club but a poor encyclopedia entry. I have tried to add some tags but was blocked by semiprotection. I am instead going to alert various admins, groups, and projects about this article. DQweny ( talk) 00:16, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
{{
Editprotected|Human Swimming}}
Please see the talk page. This article is almost entirely original research and makes various POV statements that would be called peacock if they were in reference to a person rather than an activity. While I doubt that many people are opposed to swimming, a statement such as "swimming is healthy" should be attributed to a notable source rather than made on the basis of the article author's subjective opinion and then presented as fact. At this point all I want to do is add some tags indicating where the article needs improvement. DQweny ( talk) 00:26, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Added a reference for swimming as exercise -- Sultec ( talk) 03:29, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
I have added 'locomotion' as a primary use of swimming - it seems silly to have the use of swimming as a means of travel from one point to another missing from the list. I'm also thinking of how to word the use 'avoidance of drowning', as this is a traditional reason for learning to swim - normally people learn to float persistently as part of the process of learning to swim, and the alternative of drowning is a major difference between being in water, and on dry land (where it doesn't necessarily matter if one can't walk).
Does anyone have a link or citation for the following?
Due to a British disregard for splashing, Trudgen employed a scissor kick instead of the front crawl's flutter kick.
It's the use of 'disregard' (disdain?) and the supposed reason for Trudgen's scissor kick that I'm wondering about. Some contradictions here between various WKP entries: Here it claims that Trudgens use of the flutter kick was a mistake. Here it claims that the Native American style of front crawl was the one that was considered excessively 'splashy'. Centrepull ( talk) 13:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Quite an extreme sport, huh? From personal experience I'd say that under normal conditions swimming itself isn't more dangerous than running, it's hard to get injured. Of course, when someone tries to run through jungles and swim in the Amazon nobody could predict the consequences, but one's again it's the matter of conditions and environment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.132.163.17 ( talk) 08:56, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
- Water kills. The human being who can't can't get out of the water eventually and certainly dies from in it. Depending on circumstances, death occurs due to drowning asphyxiation, hypothermia, impact trauma (in fast moving flood or river water), and occurs long before any serious risk of dehydration, starvation, exhaustion, and with enormously higher probability than due to predation.
- Swimming is a key survival skill in almost all incidents involving people entering water while alighting a disabled vessel or aircraft or falling accidentally in it from land, especially while in motor vehicles. It is also an essential rescue skill, and as such a prerequisite for several rescue-related professions.
- Travel is done by swimming with perhaps surprising frequency. Consider J.F. Kennedy and his sailors swimming island to island (not to mention his brother's claim of leaving Chappaquiddick by swimming), innumerable migrants swimming across rivers and straits, cases of political refugees swimming in the Baltic Sea, and many instances of people jumping in the water and swimming ashore from vessels not intended to reach land where they planned to go. Swimming travel is even featured in a recent motion picture "Welcome". http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1314280/
Spamhog ( talk) 14:35, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
wading redirects here. why? 98.206.155.53 ( talk) 06:17, 8 October 2010 (UTC) ROTFL! good question! Spamhog ( talk) 22:56, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a natural way to get rid of the chlorine smell from your body after you have been for a swim at the pool? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.170.78.6 ( talk) 04:26, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
How do you swim? Simple question, commonly associated with the topic, yet the article doesn't address it at all. No physics of swimming? Why? The article looks like a collection of statements which one might find by typing 'swimming' into a search engine. -- IronMaidenRocks ( talk) 05:38, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I came to this article seeking information on how many people actually know how to swim, and found none outside of Sweden. ― cobaltcigs 23:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
they both love swimming.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.143.43.249 ( talk) 11:13, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I read an aticle a couple of years ago that described how "just looking at the water in a swimming pool, lake or river from your window can calm ow, doee anyone know of such an aticle? Thank you for your assitance. Susan 3-29-2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.244.85.25 ( talk) 19:04, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
At the end of the Risks section there was the statement: "Around any pool area, safety equipment and supervision by personnel trained in rescue techniques is important. It is required at most competitive swimming meets, and is a zoning requirement for most residential pools in the United States." with the reference www.swimmingpool.com/safety/safety-equipment .
Some issues with this:
I have tried to fix, but it could do with some more work.
The same reference is used later in the article to support the statement: "Safety fencing and equipment is mandatory at public pools and a zoning requirement at most residential pools in the United States." where again it does not support "mandatory" and "requirement". I have not tried to fix this bit. FrankSier ( talk) 23:43, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
It is always a good idea to have children become "water-safe" at a young age, so that there is less arguing in later years. In many cases, the child will not enjoy the water and will not take to it immediately. When having fun at the beach, parents cannot enjoy it as much if they have younger children... this will be true until they grow up. But, if the child is "water-safe" then you won't have to worry as much... I LOVE JACK!!!!
First off, I'm only here because upon looking up the word decollete, I ended up with A LOT of history and historical periods I was not very familiar, and fashions, like displaying bare breasts in dresses, being fashionable for a long period preceding the Victorian era. Following a "bathing machine" link among others, brought me here.
Suggestion: IF not part of the historical articles regarding beach clothing or nude sunbathing/swimming, I recall something I read many years ago that might be of interest to include among such articles and history.
I believe during a period of very prudish social pressures regarding beaches there was some sort of massive social protest on a beach in Australia. I think it might have been not against nude sunbathing but that they were banning swimming or enjoying beaches even clothed, or banning any beach activities on Sundays ... or something along these lines. I'm recalling some sort of massive protest[civil disobedience], I think on a Sunday, a protest against both churches and the laws banning beach activities. It's been decades since I read about this historical event, but believe that a large group of the public, men AND women, protested by going to the beach, and breaking not some sort of silly prudish law restricting even swimming by anyone or probably I suppose at the least, the ban on mixing the sexes. What I'm recalling is a massive group of men and women shedding all clothing and going for a swim, to protest the highly restrictive beach laws. It's been a LONG time since I read that, and the memory is fuzzy but I think what was so unusual about it was it was a LONG time ago, like 19century or early decades of the 20th perhaps and the protest was against something much more draconian than banning nudity but banning even clothed or mixed sexes on the beach, but somehow the protest ended up a nude swimming event with a great number of the public showing up and participating, thumbing their noses at the domination of the churches and repression of the government. My recollection is poor and perhaps I've been highly inaccurate about this protest, but if it could be found of what I've typed about here, it might be an interesting addition to this section of wikipedia regarding clothing and swimming and "morality" of the day.
~5~29~2014 PaC, not logged in because I'm not registered or "whatever" for this website.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. While I think those in support have made a reasonable case for human swimming meeting the long-term significance criterion of primary topic, those in opposition have also made a good case that it does not meet the usage criterion. When the criteria are split like this and there is not a clear supermajority (6–4 by my count) either way then we end with no consensus. Jenks24 ( talk) 16:16, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
– I can't shake the feeling that when people look up "swimming" they are thinking about the human activity. I grant that many links intend the sport of swimming, but the sport is a subtopic of the human activity of swimming. By comparison, Running is a primary topic article on the activity (generally), and there is a whole family of articles on competitive running events like Middle-distance running. Relisted. Jenks24 ( talk) 13:40, 25 August 2014 (UTC) bd2412 T 22:16, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Following this move result which established consensus that swimming (sport) needed no further disambiguation, I think it might be worth reopening the human swimming → swimming discussion.
The point that doesn't seem to have been made before (or have I missed it?) is that swimming as an article title is a noun, not a verb. In that context, I think the primary meaning is the human activity, with no more disambiguation required.
But before raising this as a formal RM I thought I'd seek informal comment here. Andrewa ( talk) 02:41, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Read the talk page section directly above this. We don't need to have the same discussion every few months. HCA ( talk) 16:49, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
All navies and marines require recruits to be able to swim. Why refer to the United States Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard alone? Royalcourtier ( talk) 08:18, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Wikipedia has an inherent bias towards humans. This is OK; last I checked, the majority of our readers are human. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:53, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
– Three years after the failure of
#Requested move 2, let's try again:
human swimming is the default, unmarked meaning of the word "swimming". Thus, it should occupy the undisambiguated title,
Swimming, per
WP:BROADCONCEPT: if the primary meaning of a term proposed for disambiguation is a broad concept [...], then the page located at that title should be an article describing it, and not a disambiguation page
. There are two possible competitors,
aquatic locomotion of animals, an even broader topic but only casually referred to as "swimming", and
swimming (sport), a more popular article, however, about a subtopic of swimming. To quote a comment from the last debate, the primary topic is swimming done by humans, whether done for sport, leisure, or out of lifesaving necessity. I'm surprised this is even an issue, since any person coming to this page would see that topic and not be surprised by it.
No such user (
talk) 13:57, 24 October 2017 (UTC) --Relisting.
Steel1943 (
talk)
15:01, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Pursuant to the discussion above, "locomotion of an organism through the water" is a WP:DABCONCEPT, not an ambiguous concept, and specifically not a concept ambiguous to "human swimming". I propose that we merge Human swimming into Aquatic locomotion and move the combined article to Swimming (with the existing disambiguation page to be moved to Swimming (disambiguation)). This would be consistent with our treatment of Running and Walking. bd2412 T 14:32, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
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