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The article states no rash was visible, but the article in the BBC link provided says there was a rash associated with the disease.-- Anchoress 00:03, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Reply: Any BBC reference indicating there is a rash associated with the sweating sickness is incorrect. Careful review of all medical historical literature is clear--the sweating sicking was rapid in onset, with symptoms consisting of malaise, fatigue, abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, diaphoresis (excessive sweating), and a foul, putrid vapor (breath), consistent with a pulmonary infection. No historical source cited indicates that a rash was in any way a common component of this disease. Indeed, this distinction has been used by various medical historians to discount a number of potential causes of sweating sickness that have a rash as a predominant feature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.137.183 ( talk • contribs) 03:07, 17 May 2007
According to the article the disease affected the wealthy more than the poor, and didn't affect infants or children. The extremely short period between onset of symptoms and death would suggest an infection other than person to person. Survivors built up no immunity, and were sometimes stricken multiple times. The disease was confined to the UK and disappeared completely and forever, despite survivors not building up any immunity. These characteristics sound more like cases of mass poisoning than an infectious disease. Perhaps a toxin producing yeast in the wine production chain? -- Mzzl ( talk) 12:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
The marxist and Communist propaganda alwas spoke about the negative effects of colonization, native Amerindians that died because of smallpox etc. There's much less talk about the diseases brought from the Americas and the Far East to Europe. This sweating disease very much resembles with the Spanish flu. Or it may be a smallpox variant with mutated DNA brought back from America. Who knows... Recently, the scientists examined some human remnants related to Spanish flue (conserved in the Spitzbergen Island, I think, but also skeletons of people died of the Black Plague. Maybe the same tests would be needed in this particular case, too.. Mazarin07 ( talk) 09:38, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
The article suggests that a bout with the sweating sickness seemed to offer no immunity and that a person could suffer with it several times (Characteristics). Later, it suggests that the fact that French mercenaries appeared to be immune to it meant it may have originated with them or in France (Cause). Another area notes that the sickness never appeared in France (1528).
Can we get these to all agree? 07:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Egthegreat ( talk • contribs)
...In the final stages, there was either general exhaustion and collapse, or an irresistible urge to sleep, which was thought[by whom?] to be fatal if the patient was permitted to give way to it...
the by whom is by Caius, whose description of the disease is being quoted,refer to
pp186 The Encyclopaedia Britannica : a dictionary of arts, sciences, literature and general information (c1910-1922) http://www.archive.org/details/encyclopaediabri26chisrich —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.251.203 ( talk) 11:27, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I just added "citation needed" to the first two paragraphs under the "Causes" heading and removed two statements re: "this suggests." The author's conjectures are unencyclopedic. I plan on deleting these two paragraphs if adequate citations are not added. Lazr75 ( talk) 03:49, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
The article was assessed C-class for lack of sufficient in-line citations. Boneyard90 ( talk) 07:09, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
I removed the following: " Chronic fatigue syndrome has been suggested by Chaudhuria and Behan, based on a 1934 article of epidemic myalgia outbreaks that share clinical similarities with Bornholm disease. [1]" This has vbeeb tagged as a dead link for a while, and franklty, it's difficult to see how anyone could seriously suggest that this fast-acting fatal disease has any resemblance to CFS. Paul B ( talk) 17:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
It seems kind of strange to have a mysterious historical disease represented by a modern diagnostic/billing code. Does the ICD explicitly mention sweating sickness under it's "sweating fever" category? Is it WP:OR to make the link between the historical disease and the modern category? Plantdrew ( talk) 01:48, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Thought this might be useful as a citation. Bondegezou ( talk) 18:44, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
It reads under the heading 16th centuary...
"In 1528, the disease reached epidemic...Cases of the disease were not known to occur in France (except in Calais) or Italy. It also emerged in Flanders and the Netherlands"
But Calais was NOT a part of France at the time. The Pale of Calais was English with MPs sent to Westminster. Furthermore, a much wider area far around the Pale of Calais was Dutch speaking. At the time spoken of, there were no cases of Sweat in France fullstop. There is no 'except in Calais' in was impossible, though one can see how Sweat came about in Calais - for it was English, and from this bit of 'English Flanders' how it went onto to other bits of Flanders/Netherlands.
Please be aware of French and Francophone nats spiking English language wikis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.223.127.247 ( talk) 18:02, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
One of the theories concerning what was sweating sickness, perhaps a coronavirus with similarities to SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2, although it involves more with sweating than pulmonary or respiratory stress. There are 4 human coronaviruses, 3 of them jumped species from bats or other mammals to humans in the last 1,000 years and 3 which was found in the 21st century (including MERS-CoV). The tendency for this coronavirus to be most found in Calais, Picardy and Artois in Northern France, although these can become pandemic when it first infects humans without previous immunity (COVID-19 works like this), unless the rate of contagious or infectious spread is lower for this one. The Nord-Pas-de-Calais region was like the last part of France to reported a case and hospitalizations in the COVID-19 pandemic when it reached France. Not sure the locals had previous immunity in their ancestries, but natural history (the 1889-90 Flu theorized to be the human coronavirus OC43 first entered humans) showed us viruses always jumped from animals to humans. 2605:E000:100D:C571:4C1D:EB7D:B365:D7B4 ( talk) 03:49, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
The current symptoms section has no mention of breathlessness even though it is commonly associated with this disease. The following will be added to said section to provide more information. Proper citations will be added when this section is finalized.
"Thomas Forestier provided a written account of his own experiences with the sweating sickness in 1485. Forestier put great emphasis on the sudden breathlessness that is commonly associated with the final hours of those who had contracted this disease. Forestier claimed in an account written for other physicians that "loathsome vapors" had congregated around the heart and lungs. His observations point towards a pulmonary component of this disease that was previously unknown." 19rtrudkin ( talk) 16:29, 9 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 19rtrudkin ( talk • contribs) 16:28, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
I'll be adding information about the final outbreak including burial patterns, death rates, and timeline. Ebs5kp ( talk) 17:24, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
I will be adding information in the symptoms section about how long the disease normally lasted. 19rtrudkin ( talk) 17:41, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
A transmission section will also be added with new information regarding disease spread. 19rtrudkin ( talk) 17:41, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
I will be adding more information to the transmission section. 19rtrudkin ( talk) 08:29, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
I will be expanding on the information included in the fifteenth and sixteenth century outbreaks. This will include treatments, historical records, and demographic data concerning these outbreaks. Ebs5kp ( talk) 22:42, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
The source of the image says that the person in the image (in bed) is "John, Duke of Normandy", which would mean John II of France, who lived from 1319 to 1364. The article, however, says that the disease "struck England and later continental Europe in a series of epidemics beginning in 1485". So if this is indeed John, Duke of Normandy/ John II of France, then the picture cannot relate to an incident of the sweating sickness.
I researched the image, and it does appear to be John, Duke of Normandy/ John II of France. The text on the image says "En ce meisme an environ mi·juing vint une tres grant maladie a moss· Jehan duc de Nor[]" (end of word in next line, not visible), meaning, "In this same year around may·june came a very big illness to John duke of Nor[]" Part of the text ("vint une tres grant maladie a moss· Jehan duc de Nor" coincides with a segment in the text below:
The text discusses religious processions (1, 2 and 3 indicated in bold, above) and prayers held to ask God for health/ healing for — respectively —, "the son of Philippe Auguste" in 1191, "Louis IX" in 1244 and John, Duke of Normandy, son of the king of France" in 1335. In the case of the latter, it also mentions that [the king and queen] had processions done at various churches, ... as well as the "church of our lord saint Denis". That would be a reference to the Church of Saint Denis in Paris. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 11:36, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 12:47, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
> a mysterious and contagious disease
Is contagious really meant? Or should it be infectious?
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The article states no rash was visible, but the article in the BBC link provided says there was a rash associated with the disease.-- Anchoress 00:03, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Reply: Any BBC reference indicating there is a rash associated with the sweating sickness is incorrect. Careful review of all medical historical literature is clear--the sweating sicking was rapid in onset, with symptoms consisting of malaise, fatigue, abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, diaphoresis (excessive sweating), and a foul, putrid vapor (breath), consistent with a pulmonary infection. No historical source cited indicates that a rash was in any way a common component of this disease. Indeed, this distinction has been used by various medical historians to discount a number of potential causes of sweating sickness that have a rash as a predominant feature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.137.183 ( talk • contribs) 03:07, 17 May 2007
According to the article the disease affected the wealthy more than the poor, and didn't affect infants or children. The extremely short period between onset of symptoms and death would suggest an infection other than person to person. Survivors built up no immunity, and were sometimes stricken multiple times. The disease was confined to the UK and disappeared completely and forever, despite survivors not building up any immunity. These characteristics sound more like cases of mass poisoning than an infectious disease. Perhaps a toxin producing yeast in the wine production chain? -- Mzzl ( talk) 12:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
The marxist and Communist propaganda alwas spoke about the negative effects of colonization, native Amerindians that died because of smallpox etc. There's much less talk about the diseases brought from the Americas and the Far East to Europe. This sweating disease very much resembles with the Spanish flu. Or it may be a smallpox variant with mutated DNA brought back from America. Who knows... Recently, the scientists examined some human remnants related to Spanish flue (conserved in the Spitzbergen Island, I think, but also skeletons of people died of the Black Plague. Maybe the same tests would be needed in this particular case, too.. Mazarin07 ( talk) 09:38, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
The article suggests that a bout with the sweating sickness seemed to offer no immunity and that a person could suffer with it several times (Characteristics). Later, it suggests that the fact that French mercenaries appeared to be immune to it meant it may have originated with them or in France (Cause). Another area notes that the sickness never appeared in France (1528).
Can we get these to all agree? 07:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Egthegreat ( talk • contribs)
...In the final stages, there was either general exhaustion and collapse, or an irresistible urge to sleep, which was thought[by whom?] to be fatal if the patient was permitted to give way to it...
the by whom is by Caius, whose description of the disease is being quoted,refer to
pp186 The Encyclopaedia Britannica : a dictionary of arts, sciences, literature and general information (c1910-1922) http://www.archive.org/details/encyclopaediabri26chisrich —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.251.203 ( talk) 11:27, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I just added "citation needed" to the first two paragraphs under the "Causes" heading and removed two statements re: "this suggests." The author's conjectures are unencyclopedic. I plan on deleting these two paragraphs if adequate citations are not added. Lazr75 ( talk) 03:49, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
The article was assessed C-class for lack of sufficient in-line citations. Boneyard90 ( talk) 07:09, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
I removed the following: " Chronic fatigue syndrome has been suggested by Chaudhuria and Behan, based on a 1934 article of epidemic myalgia outbreaks that share clinical similarities with Bornholm disease. [1]" This has vbeeb tagged as a dead link for a while, and franklty, it's difficult to see how anyone could seriously suggest that this fast-acting fatal disease has any resemblance to CFS. Paul B ( talk) 17:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
It seems kind of strange to have a mysterious historical disease represented by a modern diagnostic/billing code. Does the ICD explicitly mention sweating sickness under it's "sweating fever" category? Is it WP:OR to make the link between the historical disease and the modern category? Plantdrew ( talk) 01:48, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Thought this might be useful as a citation. Bondegezou ( talk) 18:44, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
It reads under the heading 16th centuary...
"In 1528, the disease reached epidemic...Cases of the disease were not known to occur in France (except in Calais) or Italy. It also emerged in Flanders and the Netherlands"
But Calais was NOT a part of France at the time. The Pale of Calais was English with MPs sent to Westminster. Furthermore, a much wider area far around the Pale of Calais was Dutch speaking. At the time spoken of, there were no cases of Sweat in France fullstop. There is no 'except in Calais' in was impossible, though one can see how Sweat came about in Calais - for it was English, and from this bit of 'English Flanders' how it went onto to other bits of Flanders/Netherlands.
Please be aware of French and Francophone nats spiking English language wikis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.223.127.247 ( talk) 18:02, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
One of the theories concerning what was sweating sickness, perhaps a coronavirus with similarities to SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2, although it involves more with sweating than pulmonary or respiratory stress. There are 4 human coronaviruses, 3 of them jumped species from bats or other mammals to humans in the last 1,000 years and 3 which was found in the 21st century (including MERS-CoV). The tendency for this coronavirus to be most found in Calais, Picardy and Artois in Northern France, although these can become pandemic when it first infects humans without previous immunity (COVID-19 works like this), unless the rate of contagious or infectious spread is lower for this one. The Nord-Pas-de-Calais region was like the last part of France to reported a case and hospitalizations in the COVID-19 pandemic when it reached France. Not sure the locals had previous immunity in their ancestries, but natural history (the 1889-90 Flu theorized to be the human coronavirus OC43 first entered humans) showed us viruses always jumped from animals to humans. 2605:E000:100D:C571:4C1D:EB7D:B365:D7B4 ( talk) 03:49, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
The current symptoms section has no mention of breathlessness even though it is commonly associated with this disease. The following will be added to said section to provide more information. Proper citations will be added when this section is finalized.
"Thomas Forestier provided a written account of his own experiences with the sweating sickness in 1485. Forestier put great emphasis on the sudden breathlessness that is commonly associated with the final hours of those who had contracted this disease. Forestier claimed in an account written for other physicians that "loathsome vapors" had congregated around the heart and lungs. His observations point towards a pulmonary component of this disease that was previously unknown." 19rtrudkin ( talk) 16:29, 9 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 19rtrudkin ( talk • contribs) 16:28, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
I'll be adding information about the final outbreak including burial patterns, death rates, and timeline. Ebs5kp ( talk) 17:24, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
I will be adding information in the symptoms section about how long the disease normally lasted. 19rtrudkin ( talk) 17:41, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
A transmission section will also be added with new information regarding disease spread. 19rtrudkin ( talk) 17:41, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
I will be adding more information to the transmission section. 19rtrudkin ( talk) 08:29, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
I will be expanding on the information included in the fifteenth and sixteenth century outbreaks. This will include treatments, historical records, and demographic data concerning these outbreaks. Ebs5kp ( talk) 22:42, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
The source of the image says that the person in the image (in bed) is "John, Duke of Normandy", which would mean John II of France, who lived from 1319 to 1364. The article, however, says that the disease "struck England and later continental Europe in a series of epidemics beginning in 1485". So if this is indeed John, Duke of Normandy/ John II of France, then the picture cannot relate to an incident of the sweating sickness.
I researched the image, and it does appear to be John, Duke of Normandy/ John II of France. The text on the image says "En ce meisme an environ mi·juing vint une tres grant maladie a moss· Jehan duc de Nor[]" (end of word in next line, not visible), meaning, "In this same year around may·june came a very big illness to John duke of Nor[]" Part of the text ("vint une tres grant maladie a moss· Jehan duc de Nor" coincides with a segment in the text below:
The text discusses religious processions (1, 2 and 3 indicated in bold, above) and prayers held to ask God for health/ healing for — respectively —, "the son of Philippe Auguste" in 1191, "Louis IX" in 1244 and John, Duke of Normandy, son of the king of France" in 1335. In the case of the latter, it also mentions that [the king and queen] had processions done at various churches, ... as well as the "church of our lord saint Denis". That would be a reference to the Church of Saint Denis in Paris. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 11:36, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 12:47, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
> a mysterious and contagious disease
Is contagious really meant? Or should it be infectious?