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Frequently asked questions To view an answer, click the [show] link to the right of the question. Q1: Why is the word swastika used for the Nazi symbol even though Adolf Hitler called it the Hakenkreuz?
A1: Because the English
loan word for the symbol has been swastika since the 1870s–1880s when multiple English-speaking authors published analyses of the symbol written in English, establishing the
English language name of the symbol as swastika. The
German language word for the symbol is certainly Hakenkreuz (hooked cross), but here on English Wikipedia we call it the swastika because of longstanding practice starting about 50 years before Hitler wrote
Mein Kampf. Q2: Isn't the Nazi swastika different than the ancient and revered symbol from Asia?
A2: No. For several decades preceding the rise of Nazism, the swastika was adopted by writers of the
Völkisch movement who associated
German nationalism and then
antisemitism with the swastika. Using this as his foundation, the swastika symbol was appropriated for Nazism by Hitler who explicitly equated the Nazi symbol with the same symbol of ancient Asia. Hitler wrote about the Nazi symbol: "You will find this cross as a swastika as far as India and Japan, carved in the temple pillars. It is the swastika, which was once a sign of established communities of Aryan Culture."
[1] Q3: But doesn't the 45-degree rotation make it different?
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The common English language name for the symbol used by the Nazis is "swastika" Although in German the symbol is called Hakenkreuz ("hooked cross"), per the Wikipedia policy WP:COMMONNAME, we use the word that is the common name in English, which is "swastika". This is not a comment of the use of the symbol by Hindus, Native American and other cultures, it is merely the name by which English-speaking people know it.Please do not request that "swastika" be changed to "Hakenkreuz": any such request will be denied. |
This article was nominated for merging with Sauwastika on 16 November 2020. The result of the discussion ( permanent link) was to merge. |
We need to fix this article. And not just say FAQ. Wikipedia is one of the top source for common people. This is actually creating a lot of problems for Hindus in schools and immigrations.
First. We need to dedicate Swastika to Hinduism which is the original source of this and is still widely applicable.
Then we need clear out how Nazi symbol is completely different from Swastika.
Nazi symbol is Hakenkruez not Swastika.
Just like you wouldn't call American Football as Rugby, in the same way you can't call Nazi symbol as Swastika.
I am happy to contribute if someone wants to pair pair up.
https://cohna.org/swastika-is-not-hakenkreuz/ Firedrake123 ( talk) 20:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
I have been hearing more and more that the Swastika has been appropriated by the Nazis from the Hindus. This clashed with my previous knowledge that it was actually the adoption of a similar symbol that had been developed in parallel in Europe. So I came to this article to get a bit of clarity on the matter.
The article mentions the cultural appropriation in the lead, but then fails to mention it in the body. The body actually seems to support my previous knowledge of parallel development by describing all the places where the swastika has appeared (including northern europe) and even mentions that the earliest known swastika is from 10,000 BCE and was found in the Ukraine. So what is the right answer?
This article should either develop further the culture appropriation issue in the body, explaining the historical link between the Hindu swastika and the Nazi swastika, or eliminate it from the lead. As it is, it seems confusing and even contradictory. Shadowphoenixpt ( talk) 17:08, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
• hooked cross (German: Hakenkreuz), angled cross (Winkelkreuz), or crooked cross (Krummkreuz)
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Upadate Referncies. 57. "Right-Facing Svasti Sign" link http://unicode-table.com/en/0FD5/ is redirected to https://symbl.cc/en/0FD5/ Res0lution ( talk) 06:43, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
"The investigators put forth the hypothesis that the swastika moved westward from the Indian subcontinent to Finland, Scandinavia, the Scottish Highlands and other parts of Europe."
This is backwards to the apparent dates of the inscriptions found e.g. it appears in Ukraine ~10,000bce, then Hungary/Romania/Bulgaria/Serbia ~3,000 to 6,000bce, then Iran ~5,000bce, then the Indian subcontinent ~3,000bce, indicating it was moving Eastward. The introduction of the article also suggests appropriation of the symbol from the East, despite the archaeological evidence suggesting the opposite.
The article should probably discuss the Vinča archeological finds more in the prehistory section. It's worth noting that archaeological surveys unearthed Vinča symbols around the end of the 1800s and start of the last century. It was in use as a flag emblem by the National Christian Union party, led by Alexandru Cuza, in Romania, in 1922. 14 years prior, Vinča archaeological finds had been made in Serbia. Evidence suggesting that it was selected as an emblem as a result of its presence in the archeological finds can be found in the article pertaining to Cuza himself; e.g. Cuza mentions the Swastika and "signs were found on our soil", an apparent reference to the Vinča archaeological finds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.0.56.5016:40, 1 May 2024 ( talk)
" Nazi Party who appropriated it from Asian cultures". Considering that there are Germanic examples dating back to the 3rd century, I would say that this statement is incorrect. Neither group appropriated the symbol from the other. -- User:Khajidha ( talk) ( contributions) 14:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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Frequently asked questions To view an answer, click the [show] link to the right of the question. Q1: Why is the word swastika used for the Nazi symbol even though Adolf Hitler called it the Hakenkreuz?
A1: Because the English
loan word for the symbol has been swastika since the 1870s–1880s when multiple English-speaking authors published analyses of the symbol written in English, establishing the
English language name of the symbol as swastika. The
German language word for the symbol is certainly Hakenkreuz (hooked cross), but here on English Wikipedia we call it the swastika because of longstanding practice starting about 50 years before Hitler wrote
Mein Kampf. Q2: Isn't the Nazi swastika different than the ancient and revered symbol from Asia?
A2: No. For several decades preceding the rise of Nazism, the swastika was adopted by writers of the
Völkisch movement who associated
German nationalism and then
antisemitism with the swastika. Using this as his foundation, the swastika symbol was appropriated for Nazism by Hitler who explicitly equated the Nazi symbol with the same symbol of ancient Asia. Hitler wrote about the Nazi symbol: "You will find this cross as a swastika as far as India and Japan, carved in the temple pillars. It is the swastika, which was once a sign of established communities of Aryan Culture."
[1] Q3: But doesn't the 45-degree rotation make it different?
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The common English language name for the symbol used by the Nazis is "swastika" Although in German the symbol is called Hakenkreuz ("hooked cross"), per the Wikipedia policy WP:COMMONNAME, we use the word that is the common name in English, which is "swastika". This is not a comment of the use of the symbol by Hindus, Native American and other cultures, it is merely the name by which English-speaking people know it.Please do not request that "swastika" be changed to "Hakenkreuz": any such request will be denied. |
This article was nominated for merging with Sauwastika on 16 November 2020. The result of the discussion ( permanent link) was to merge. |
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We need to fix this article. And not just say FAQ. Wikipedia is one of the top source for common people. This is actually creating a lot of problems for Hindus in schools and immigrations.
First. We need to dedicate Swastika to Hinduism which is the original source of this and is still widely applicable.
Then we need clear out how Nazi symbol is completely different from Swastika.
Nazi symbol is Hakenkruez not Swastika.
Just like you wouldn't call American Football as Rugby, in the same way you can't call Nazi symbol as Swastika.
I am happy to contribute if someone wants to pair pair up.
https://cohna.org/swastika-is-not-hakenkreuz/ Firedrake123 ( talk) 20:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
I have been hearing more and more that the Swastika has been appropriated by the Nazis from the Hindus. This clashed with my previous knowledge that it was actually the adoption of a similar symbol that had been developed in parallel in Europe. So I came to this article to get a bit of clarity on the matter.
The article mentions the cultural appropriation in the lead, but then fails to mention it in the body. The body actually seems to support my previous knowledge of parallel development by describing all the places where the swastika has appeared (including northern europe) and even mentions that the earliest known swastika is from 10,000 BCE and was found in the Ukraine. So what is the right answer?
This article should either develop further the culture appropriation issue in the body, explaining the historical link between the Hindu swastika and the Nazi swastika, or eliminate it from the lead. As it is, it seems confusing and even contradictory. Shadowphoenixpt ( talk) 17:08, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
• hooked cross (German: Hakenkreuz), angled cross (Winkelkreuz), or crooked cross (Krummkreuz)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Upadate Referncies. 57. "Right-Facing Svasti Sign" link http://unicode-table.com/en/0FD5/ is redirected to https://symbl.cc/en/0FD5/ Res0lution ( talk) 06:43, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
"The investigators put forth the hypothesis that the swastika moved westward from the Indian subcontinent to Finland, Scandinavia, the Scottish Highlands and other parts of Europe."
This is backwards to the apparent dates of the inscriptions found e.g. it appears in Ukraine ~10,000bce, then Hungary/Romania/Bulgaria/Serbia ~3,000 to 6,000bce, then Iran ~5,000bce, then the Indian subcontinent ~3,000bce, indicating it was moving Eastward. The introduction of the article also suggests appropriation of the symbol from the East, despite the archaeological evidence suggesting the opposite.
The article should probably discuss the Vinča archeological finds more in the prehistory section. It's worth noting that archaeological surveys unearthed Vinča symbols around the end of the 1800s and start of the last century. It was in use as a flag emblem by the National Christian Union party, led by Alexandru Cuza, in Romania, in 1922. 14 years prior, Vinča archaeological finds had been made in Serbia. Evidence suggesting that it was selected as an emblem as a result of its presence in the archeological finds can be found in the article pertaining to Cuza himself; e.g. Cuza mentions the Swastika and "signs were found on our soil", an apparent reference to the Vinča archaeological finds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.0.56.5016:40, 1 May 2024 ( talk)
" Nazi Party who appropriated it from Asian cultures". Considering that there are Germanic examples dating back to the 3rd century, I would say that this statement is incorrect. Neither group appropriated the symbol from the other. -- User:Khajidha ( talk) ( contributions) 14:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)