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Hi all, according to the cited article, the events occurred on the morning of 11 May 2021, and the article itself was written 13:22, only hours later. Therefore, this information should be considered breaking news which, "without exception, are primary sources, and must be treated with caution." ( WP:RSBREAKING) “Breaking-news reports often contain serious inaccuracies.” and it is better to wait for more accurate information that would come out as journalists gathered more facts. Harshmellow717 ( talk) 03:57, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
I’m just reading this on the news and I’m wondering why this is even included on the talk page. I don’t think it should be included since nothing has been proven, but I guess for now just mentioning the allegations is fine. Golfer1223 ( talk) 03:36, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
I deleted a clause because it made it less readable and didn't add significant relevant information ( WP:RDAL). Moksha88 ( talk) 22:31, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
I'd encourage everyone to take a look at my recent thread at NPOVN ( PermaLink) and the sockpuppet investigation that begat it. In the above thread, Harshmellow, Skubydoo, and Moksha have all been blocked as sockpuppets or meatpuppets who conspired for years to push a pro-BAPS POV in this article and many others. Hexcodes and Golfer remain under scrutiny for the same, but it's undisputed that neither had ever participated in an on-wiki discussion prior to this one, which at the very least strongly suggests conflicts of interest.
Reading the above thread in light of this information, I'm really just left with Erp and Doncram's views, and thus rather than a consensus against including details of the suit, see a (soft) consensus for including it. Furthermore, I see little policy-/guideline-based validity to the arguments against inclusion. I have no idea how someone could in good faith read WP:SUSPECT, which discourages reporting on accusations of crimes against non-public figures, to apply, when this is not about an accusation of a crime, not about a non-public figure, and indeed not about an individual at all. (The suit of course extends to individuals involved in the alleged torts, but they are not named in this article nor in the cited news articles.)
Perhaps there are good reasons not to include the material. Further discussion can definitely occur on the matter. But as this is the kind of material that we generally include in articles, and as the good-faith consensus here seems to tilt toward inclusion, I have for the time being restored details of what the suit alleges. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 10:12, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
It is unclear to me what is the distinction between "BAPS Shri Swaminarayan Mandir" and "Akshardham Mahamandir" and item the article is about, "Swaminarayan Akshardham". Is the second the same as the "Swaminarayan Akshardham Mahamandir" mentioned in the intro? Perhaps start each section with a short paragraph about what it is in relation to the article subject before going into the construction details. Or expand the overall intro. Given the temple is in New Jersey it is more likely many readers will be unfamiliar with details that would be obvious to someone from India so greater care may be needed to explain or point people to the necessary info. -- Erp ( talk) 02:13, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I'd like to draw your attention towards the withdrawal of the forced labor case of the BAPS Shri Swaminarayan Mandir. As several news outlets have reported, the case filed was false and the labors were coerced to give false testaments and allegations.
Times of India : https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/charges-against-robbinsville-akshardham-temple-false/articleshow/101793020.cms?from=mdr
English Jagran : https://english.jagran.com/india/no-violation-of-artisans-rights-at-robbinsville-akshardham-temple-in-new-jersey-charges-false-labourer-body-psg-10088084
Can we edit and remove the controversy section now?
Thanks. Bhavyaahir ( talk) 07:14, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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Hi all, according to the cited article, the events occurred on the morning of 11 May 2021, and the article itself was written 13:22, only hours later. Therefore, this information should be considered breaking news which, "without exception, are primary sources, and must be treated with caution." ( WP:RSBREAKING) “Breaking-news reports often contain serious inaccuracies.” and it is better to wait for more accurate information that would come out as journalists gathered more facts. Harshmellow717 ( talk) 03:57, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
I’m just reading this on the news and I’m wondering why this is even included on the talk page. I don’t think it should be included since nothing has been proven, but I guess for now just mentioning the allegations is fine. Golfer1223 ( talk) 03:36, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
I deleted a clause because it made it less readable and didn't add significant relevant information ( WP:RDAL). Moksha88 ( talk) 22:31, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
I'd encourage everyone to take a look at my recent thread at NPOVN ( PermaLink) and the sockpuppet investigation that begat it. In the above thread, Harshmellow, Skubydoo, and Moksha have all been blocked as sockpuppets or meatpuppets who conspired for years to push a pro-BAPS POV in this article and many others. Hexcodes and Golfer remain under scrutiny for the same, but it's undisputed that neither had ever participated in an on-wiki discussion prior to this one, which at the very least strongly suggests conflicts of interest.
Reading the above thread in light of this information, I'm really just left with Erp and Doncram's views, and thus rather than a consensus against including details of the suit, see a (soft) consensus for including it. Furthermore, I see little policy-/guideline-based validity to the arguments against inclusion. I have no idea how someone could in good faith read WP:SUSPECT, which discourages reporting on accusations of crimes against non-public figures, to apply, when this is not about an accusation of a crime, not about a non-public figure, and indeed not about an individual at all. (The suit of course extends to individuals involved in the alleged torts, but they are not named in this article nor in the cited news articles.)
Perhaps there are good reasons not to include the material. Further discussion can definitely occur on the matter. But as this is the kind of material that we generally include in articles, and as the good-faith consensus here seems to tilt toward inclusion, I have for the time being restored details of what the suit alleges. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 10:12, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
It is unclear to me what is the distinction between "BAPS Shri Swaminarayan Mandir" and "Akshardham Mahamandir" and item the article is about, "Swaminarayan Akshardham". Is the second the same as the "Swaminarayan Akshardham Mahamandir" mentioned in the intro? Perhaps start each section with a short paragraph about what it is in relation to the article subject before going into the construction details. Or expand the overall intro. Given the temple is in New Jersey it is more likely many readers will be unfamiliar with details that would be obvious to someone from India so greater care may be needed to explain or point people to the necessary info. -- Erp ( talk) 02:13, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I'd like to draw your attention towards the withdrawal of the forced labor case of the BAPS Shri Swaminarayan Mandir. As several news outlets have reported, the case filed was false and the labors were coerced to give false testaments and allegations.
Times of India : https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/charges-against-robbinsville-akshardham-temple-false/articleshow/101793020.cms?from=mdr
English Jagran : https://english.jagran.com/india/no-violation-of-artisans-rights-at-robbinsville-akshardham-temple-in-new-jersey-charges-false-labourer-body-psg-10088084
Can we edit and remove the controversy section now?
Thanks. Bhavyaahir ( talk) 07:14, 18 July 2023 (UTC)