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This topic could use one of those wonderful contents menus, as its structure is present enough that by inserting subcategories, navigation could be made slightly easier.
Further, Henry Fuseli's "The Nightmare" should be added as the main topic picture. It depicts a crouching, rather non-dwarflike svartalf sitting atop a sleeping maiden's chest as well as one of the nightmare horses (see Pooka). I'd say if anything matches the idea of the svartalf closer than a dwarf, it's the dark elf in that piece. There are two versions of this piece, to be sure, both of which I think should be included: one has a lithe demon on the sleeper's chest and a white nightmare; the other has a black nightmare, a dwarf instead of a demon, and the positioning is reversed (the woman faces the opposite direction). I'm not sure which one Fuseli painted (if not both), but it could be an interesting work of compartive art as connecting to mythology.
The other idea I have is to combine this article with "dark elf," though I'm not sure I'd go that far. Dark elf is more general, so the information for svartalfar would be subject to the wills of those working with the more general topic.
Just a few ideas.
Thanks for the idea, Salleman. I'll need to do a bit more research before I begin such an article (if we don't want another stub), but I like that idea. Iro 22:11, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
i added the wpcd tag since i think this article is very well written and deserves to be considered for inclusion
Good or evil does not exist in mythology. The gods and the creatures are beyond good and evil. All other meanings have been added throught time. Asuras and devas are not good or evil Good and evil is only a christian concept and Snorri was a christian who projected his values on the myths. The seeli and unseeli must also be a postchristian addition especially since no written records from celtic times remain. Celtic mythology is recontructed from oral tradition. In addition dragons, unicorn and all so called pegan gods have either been devided into cathegoires of God and evil over time. It's clear to see that many versions overlapp and contradict. Many folkloric christian demons separate from the christian theology are occasionally based on pegan diety while in other stories the old gods become saints or angelic creatues. My analysis of this that orginally there are no unseeli or seeli, or svartalfer or ljusalfer. Also asuras and devas are two races of goods there is little to suggest that either one was evil though according to my theory they inspired the ideas of good and evil in Zoroatrism. That theori is based on similaties of the word ashura and asura and that opposing cultures projected evil or good from their own cultural perspectives. Another example of moral subjectivity is the farmers and shepheard myth which probably refer to the early conflicts between sheepheards and farmes in the middle east. The end.
Pardon for my addenda.
In swedish folklore, "Mare" means both night"mare" and a kind of female witch that you dreams nightmares about.
The mare is often beautiful.
This article and dark elves seem to cover the same topic, and I suggest they be merged. Although the {{ merge}} tags currently suggest merging "dark elves" into "svartálfar", I am ambivalent about which direction the merger should be performed in. -- Stemonitis 10:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
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Good so far. Sources needed Goldenrowley 18:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC) |
Substituted at 05:17, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
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This topic could use one of those wonderful contents menus, as its structure is present enough that by inserting subcategories, navigation could be made slightly easier.
Further, Henry Fuseli's "The Nightmare" should be added as the main topic picture. It depicts a crouching, rather non-dwarflike svartalf sitting atop a sleeping maiden's chest as well as one of the nightmare horses (see Pooka). I'd say if anything matches the idea of the svartalf closer than a dwarf, it's the dark elf in that piece. There are two versions of this piece, to be sure, both of which I think should be included: one has a lithe demon on the sleeper's chest and a white nightmare; the other has a black nightmare, a dwarf instead of a demon, and the positioning is reversed (the woman faces the opposite direction). I'm not sure which one Fuseli painted (if not both), but it could be an interesting work of compartive art as connecting to mythology.
The other idea I have is to combine this article with "dark elf," though I'm not sure I'd go that far. Dark elf is more general, so the information for svartalfar would be subject to the wills of those working with the more general topic.
Just a few ideas.
Thanks for the idea, Salleman. I'll need to do a bit more research before I begin such an article (if we don't want another stub), but I like that idea. Iro 22:11, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
i added the wpcd tag since i think this article is very well written and deserves to be considered for inclusion
Good or evil does not exist in mythology. The gods and the creatures are beyond good and evil. All other meanings have been added throught time. Asuras and devas are not good or evil Good and evil is only a christian concept and Snorri was a christian who projected his values on the myths. The seeli and unseeli must also be a postchristian addition especially since no written records from celtic times remain. Celtic mythology is recontructed from oral tradition. In addition dragons, unicorn and all so called pegan gods have either been devided into cathegoires of God and evil over time. It's clear to see that many versions overlapp and contradict. Many folkloric christian demons separate from the christian theology are occasionally based on pegan diety while in other stories the old gods become saints or angelic creatues. My analysis of this that orginally there are no unseeli or seeli, or svartalfer or ljusalfer. Also asuras and devas are two races of goods there is little to suggest that either one was evil though according to my theory they inspired the ideas of good and evil in Zoroatrism. That theori is based on similaties of the word ashura and asura and that opposing cultures projected evil or good from their own cultural perspectives. Another example of moral subjectivity is the farmers and shepheard myth which probably refer to the early conflicts between sheepheards and farmes in the middle east. The end.
Pardon for my addenda.
In swedish folklore, "Mare" means both night"mare" and a kind of female witch that you dreams nightmares about.
The mare is often beautiful.
This article and dark elves seem to cover the same topic, and I suggest they be merged. Although the {{ merge}} tags currently suggest merging "dark elves" into "svartálfar", I am ambivalent about which direction the merger should be performed in. -- Stemonitis 10:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:Vanaheimr - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RM bot 21:00, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Svartálfar/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Good so far. Sources needed Goldenrowley 18:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC) |
Substituted at 05:17, 13 May 2016 (UTC)