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Agreed that both images can be used, and walking around Sutton Hoo last January was both atmospheric and uninformative, so I think the new image works. See similar images here and here to use if if think they are better. -- Amitchell125 ( talk) 15:50, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Support. The Sutton Hoo treasures need to be discussed more fully (much has been written by experts that is not yet included in the article), and the article as it currently stands would become very large if a deal more discussion was added. If the treasures were described in a more summarised form, the balance of the whole article would be improved, especially if other aspects of Sutton Hoo were expanded (for instance, the history of the Kingdom of the East Angles during this period, or a more detailed discussion of the candidates for the person buried/commemorated under Mound 1). -- Amitchell125 ( talk) 17:28, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
"The ship-burial has from the time of its discovery prompted comparisons with the world described in the heroic Old English poem Beowulf, which is set in southern Sweden. It is in that region, especially at Vendel, that close archaeological parallels to the ship-burial are found, both in its general form and in details of the military equipment that the burial contains." etc pp - This seems to be false, afaik Beowulf is set in Denmark. -- 95.118.90.187 ( talk) 10:35, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
The action of Beowulf takes place in both the modern countries of Denmark and Sweden, with references to the Netherlands and possibly Belgium too. Beowulf is purported to have come from part of what is now Sweden, and gone to Denmark, and heard stories about happenings elsewhere, had some adventures, and gone back to Sweden. But for the majority of the time of the poem, he is at the court of the kings of the Danes, ie in Denmark (both ancient and modern).
The Beowulf wiki gets round the problem by saying it's set in 'Scandinavia' which is probably the easiest way of resolving the problem that two small kingomes (those of the Danes and the Swedes) swallowed up their neighbours and sometimes bits of each other. Beowulf was neither a 'Swede' nor a 'Dane' in the context of the poem, and in that sense came from neither 'Sweden' nor 'Denmark'. Markaeologist ( talk) 16:34, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
The intro is too long. Ben Finn ( talk) 17:39, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
We are far too categorical about the nature of Mound 1. While it is certainly true that phosphate deposits were found, and that Chapter 8 of Bruce-Mitford's mammoth 3 volume work came to the conclusion that these were the human remains of the "subject" of the mound, a review of the book, in Anglo Saxon England concluded that "there is no evidence to support the contention that a human body was ever buried in this ship."
A 2004 review in Physics Methods in Archaeometry comes closer to the burial hypotheses calling the phosphate found near the spear-tip "strong evidence" for a grave.
We have to recall, of course, that even relatively lowly burials could included substantial amounts of meat, and animals - as in mound 17, and indeed the other patch of phosphate in Mound 1 is put down to decayed bone artifacts. The absence of horses or dogs, and the lack of intimate items associated with any buried corpse (personal jewellery, clasps, buckles etc.) and in particular shroud rings, are cited among other reasons to doubt the grave theory.
All the best,
Rich
Farmbrough,
00:23, 26 March 2014 (UTC).
Nortonius ( talk) 19:04, 30 March 2014 (UTC)... although only very small levels of residual phosphates survived a difference did exist between the levels inside and outside the burial chamber, which confirmed that there was a major source of phosphate in the grave; unfortunately it is not possible to tell whether the source was human or animal. ... [C]onfirmation of this phenomenon from other Anglo-Saxon sites and modern Scandinavian excavations suggests that the interpretation of the ship-grave as an inhumation is the most probable.
Please fix Germania, Germaina Magna it's clearly shown that many Czech towns where part of Germania Magna and please look at the mountain ranges on the maps, Swiss alps, tatra mountains, Sudetes. Even Olomouc over in the North east of the Czech Republic had two different latin names (Iuliomontium,Roman fort (Mons Iulii). Also its a fact the the Blucina Sword from 5th century was found near Brno and from a germanic king. Czech cities located in Germanina Magna taken from Ptolemy's maps 2nd century AD located in present day Czech Republic. Furgisatis u České Budějovice, Meliodunum in the sand, Strevinta for Hříměždic to the West of Sedlčany, Casurgis is Prague, Redintuinum u Loun, Nomisterium in Litoměřice, Hegetmatia in Mladá Boleslav, Budorgis in Cologne, Coridorgis in Jihlava, Eburum u Hrádku is Znojmo, Parienna in Breclav, Eburodunum is Brno, Setuia at Komořan near Vyškov, Felicia is Vyškova, Asanca is Kojetína, Carredunum is Rýmařov I have supplyed many links below to verify.
Atilla the Hun never went through Czech lands. Do your own research he went up the Danube ( Germany, Austria) and the Rhine West Germany, France) and he was killed in France(Gaul) in 454AD. Also its a fact that the Blucina Sword from 5th century was found near Brno(Latin:Eburodunum) and was from a Germanic king. Two gold Germanic swords of the same type have been found in present day central Germany located in Pleidelsheim and Villingendorf. Look at the links above and make your own opinion. And then decide if an Americian writer(Note: Americia was and will always be a former British and English colony)who wrote a 20th century book about European history when he or she has never ever been to Europe. Note Americia did not exist in the middle ages only native Indians lived there before 15th century. Casurgis from Australia is watching 12.07.2014 And yes I am part English. The Mythicial Saxons are from here: http://www.sachsen.de/en/276.htm and: http://www.sachsen-anhalt.de/lang/english/history-politics/history/ . You still believe that there was a mass migration??. All your old documents from 5th century in Britannia where in Latin and you where mostly Christians. Germania Magna where Pagans as even your Danish vikings were: http://denmark.dk/en/society/history/ to the late 10th century. Remember your King Alfre in 8th century went to Rome to be crowned king. Forgive me i was not taught this at school but at least I am capable to still learn and educate myself. Thou knows nothing!. Casurgis out — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.32.240.50 ( talk) 02:21, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
What does all this have to do with East Anglia? The East Angles didn't call themselves 'Saxon', so perhaps didn't come from Lower Saxony but Angeln (or at least believed that they had done so); and anyway, the East Angles were later called the 'North Folk' after (it is said in AD527, maybe 70 or 80 years after the original Anglian settlements in the area) that 'pagans came from Germany...' - it is likely that these settlers were the 'South Folk' around Ipswich, and their continental origin is not more closely described. If the material culture of these settlers is closer to Sweden than north-west Germany or anywhere else the 'Anglo-Saxons' are supposed to have come from, then it's likely that there were strong links between Suffolk and Sweden (whether ot not that area was part of the Kingdom of Denmark at that point). Of course, the South Folk could be from continental Germany, rather than Scandinavia, and the links with Sweden could have come later, because if this is the grave of Raedwald, he lived about 100 years after the South Folk probably came to Britain anyway.
Markaeologist ( talk) 12:11, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, this isn't really about the article. What ever happened to rating the sections? I really liked that. If Wikipedia still had ratings, I would give Sutton Hoo 5 stars. It was a well written article. I don't like history at all and I was really into this section. This is my favorite topic yet! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.151.221.46 ( talk) 15:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
The article tells us that at first it wasn't clear whether it was early Anglo-Saxon or Viking, backed by a citation. I think the article might be improved by briefly listing the reasons why the Viking possibility was rejected, backed by a citation. (I only came here in the hope of finding those reasons.) Tlhslobus ( talk) 05:56, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Not sure if it is better than the current image or not. Background is a bit busy. ©Geni ( talk) 17:46, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Footnote 6 says that "The fragments [of the Sutton Hoo helmet] were used first in 1945–46[58][59] by Herbert Maryon to produce the reconstructed helmet that was displayed at the Festival of Britain in 1951, but were reinterpreted by Nigel Williams in 1970–71[60][61] using materials not previously identified and methods not previously possible. It was from this second reconstruction that a replica helmet has been based.[62]" The part of the note about the Festival of Britain was added by @ Neddyseagoon: in this 2006 edit, but is unsourced. Does anyone know whether this (i.e., that the helmet was displayed at the Festival) is true or not, and if so, what source says so? At least two sources mention the Sutton Hoo exhibit at the Festival, but they don't mention the helmet. The Catalogue of Exhibits (p. 114) mentions two exhibits under "The Treasure of Sutton Hoo": "B119 The Excavation ; reproduced under the direction of R. L. S. Bruce Mitford," and "B120 Details of the treasure ; by permission of British Museum." Additionally, a 1954 Sutton Hoo bibliography (pp. 116–17) states that a "model of the ship (2/3 natural size), with replicas of the grave goods in full scale or a little over, formed part of the "People of Britain" exhibit at the Festival of Britain in 1951; this exhibit was arranged by Rupert L. S. Bruce-Mitford, Assistant Keeper of British and Medieval Antiquities of the British Museum and spiritus rector of present-day Sutton Hoo research." Nothing is said of the actual artifacts being displayed, let alone the helmet. I was also under the impression that the first imagined rendering of the helmet was done for the 1966 (2nd ed.) Map of Britain in the Dark Ages. Under "cover design," that map says ". . .in this, the first attempted reconstruction in colour, as compared with the helmet as hitherto published or as at present seen in the British Museum." Anyone have any ideas? Neddyseagoon isn't answering, so asking here. -- Usernameunique ( talk) 23:58, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
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The map in the "Location" section has the caption "The Wicklaw region". What does this mean? There is no corresponding explanation in the text and I cannot find it mentioned in any other article. The map is "based on Suffolk Map by John Kirby (c 1730)". Was "Wicklaw" an Anglo-Saxon term? Or was it a term used in 1730? Thank you. 109.154.90.149 ( talk) 22:41, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
[3] —— SerialNumber 54129 09:07, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Hello! To my mind, the representation of a place/ historical thing in popular culture is important and interesting within an encyclopedic page. Sutton Hoo has both a book and a forthcoming film of the book (as well as other pieces of creative adaptation, including a play by Kevin Crossley-Holland that imagines the burial). I added information to this effect which was removed by Dudley Miles. I'd be interested to discuss this more with you and others! Happy to be persuaded, but at present I am convinced the information should live here.
Copying below the edit that I added, which was reversed, for ease of discussion. Thanks for any and all ideas! - Medievalfran ( talk) 17:27, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
In popular culture
The Dig (2007) is a historical novel by John Preston, which reimagines the events of the 1939 excavation. [1]
A Netflix-produced film adaptation of The Dig starring Carey Mulligan and Ralph Fiennes is due to be released in 2021. [2]
References
There's two of the same image of the ship in the article. I would have removed one, but I didn't know which one to remove. Kind regards, Willbb234 Talk (please {{ ping}} me in replies) 23:33, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
This source does not validate the statement "Unusually, Sutton Hoo included regalia and instruments of power and had direct Scandinavian connections" at all. For one, it's 50 years older than the excavation itself. Still, I read through it, and found no mention of Sutton Hoo at all. Mårtensås ( talk) 19:09, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
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Is this the right article to include material on the Lady Alice Kenlis hulk? See [Hulk of 19th Century Iron Steamship by Designer of the Cutty Sark Granted Protection | Historic England] and [Sutton Hoo: Victorian iron steamship hulk granted protection - BBC News]. SovalValtos ( talk) 10:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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Agreed that both images can be used, and walking around Sutton Hoo last January was both atmospheric and uninformative, so I think the new image works. See similar images here and here to use if if think they are better. -- Amitchell125 ( talk) 15:50, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Support. The Sutton Hoo treasures need to be discussed more fully (much has been written by experts that is not yet included in the article), and the article as it currently stands would become very large if a deal more discussion was added. If the treasures were described in a more summarised form, the balance of the whole article would be improved, especially if other aspects of Sutton Hoo were expanded (for instance, the history of the Kingdom of the East Angles during this period, or a more detailed discussion of the candidates for the person buried/commemorated under Mound 1). -- Amitchell125 ( talk) 17:28, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
"The ship-burial has from the time of its discovery prompted comparisons with the world described in the heroic Old English poem Beowulf, which is set in southern Sweden. It is in that region, especially at Vendel, that close archaeological parallels to the ship-burial are found, both in its general form and in details of the military equipment that the burial contains." etc pp - This seems to be false, afaik Beowulf is set in Denmark. -- 95.118.90.187 ( talk) 10:35, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
The action of Beowulf takes place in both the modern countries of Denmark and Sweden, with references to the Netherlands and possibly Belgium too. Beowulf is purported to have come from part of what is now Sweden, and gone to Denmark, and heard stories about happenings elsewhere, had some adventures, and gone back to Sweden. But for the majority of the time of the poem, he is at the court of the kings of the Danes, ie in Denmark (both ancient and modern).
The Beowulf wiki gets round the problem by saying it's set in 'Scandinavia' which is probably the easiest way of resolving the problem that two small kingomes (those of the Danes and the Swedes) swallowed up their neighbours and sometimes bits of each other. Beowulf was neither a 'Swede' nor a 'Dane' in the context of the poem, and in that sense came from neither 'Sweden' nor 'Denmark'. Markaeologist ( talk) 16:34, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
The intro is too long. Ben Finn ( talk) 17:39, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
We are far too categorical about the nature of Mound 1. While it is certainly true that phosphate deposits were found, and that Chapter 8 of Bruce-Mitford's mammoth 3 volume work came to the conclusion that these were the human remains of the "subject" of the mound, a review of the book, in Anglo Saxon England concluded that "there is no evidence to support the contention that a human body was ever buried in this ship."
A 2004 review in Physics Methods in Archaeometry comes closer to the burial hypotheses calling the phosphate found near the spear-tip "strong evidence" for a grave.
We have to recall, of course, that even relatively lowly burials could included substantial amounts of meat, and animals - as in mound 17, and indeed the other patch of phosphate in Mound 1 is put down to decayed bone artifacts. The absence of horses or dogs, and the lack of intimate items associated with any buried corpse (personal jewellery, clasps, buckles etc.) and in particular shroud rings, are cited among other reasons to doubt the grave theory.
All the best,
Rich
Farmbrough,
00:23, 26 March 2014 (UTC).
Nortonius ( talk) 19:04, 30 March 2014 (UTC)... although only very small levels of residual phosphates survived a difference did exist between the levels inside and outside the burial chamber, which confirmed that there was a major source of phosphate in the grave; unfortunately it is not possible to tell whether the source was human or animal. ... [C]onfirmation of this phenomenon from other Anglo-Saxon sites and modern Scandinavian excavations suggests that the interpretation of the ship-grave as an inhumation is the most probable.
Please fix Germania, Germaina Magna it's clearly shown that many Czech towns where part of Germania Magna and please look at the mountain ranges on the maps, Swiss alps, tatra mountains, Sudetes. Even Olomouc over in the North east of the Czech Republic had two different latin names (Iuliomontium,Roman fort (Mons Iulii). Also its a fact the the Blucina Sword from 5th century was found near Brno and from a germanic king. Czech cities located in Germanina Magna taken from Ptolemy's maps 2nd century AD located in present day Czech Republic. Furgisatis u České Budějovice, Meliodunum in the sand, Strevinta for Hříměždic to the West of Sedlčany, Casurgis is Prague, Redintuinum u Loun, Nomisterium in Litoměřice, Hegetmatia in Mladá Boleslav, Budorgis in Cologne, Coridorgis in Jihlava, Eburum u Hrádku is Znojmo, Parienna in Breclav, Eburodunum is Brno, Setuia at Komořan near Vyškov, Felicia is Vyškova, Asanca is Kojetína, Carredunum is Rýmařov I have supplyed many links below to verify.
Atilla the Hun never went through Czech lands. Do your own research he went up the Danube ( Germany, Austria) and the Rhine West Germany, France) and he was killed in France(Gaul) in 454AD. Also its a fact that the Blucina Sword from 5th century was found near Brno(Latin:Eburodunum) and was from a Germanic king. Two gold Germanic swords of the same type have been found in present day central Germany located in Pleidelsheim and Villingendorf. Look at the links above and make your own opinion. And then decide if an Americian writer(Note: Americia was and will always be a former British and English colony)who wrote a 20th century book about European history when he or she has never ever been to Europe. Note Americia did not exist in the middle ages only native Indians lived there before 15th century. Casurgis from Australia is watching 12.07.2014 And yes I am part English. The Mythicial Saxons are from here: http://www.sachsen.de/en/276.htm and: http://www.sachsen-anhalt.de/lang/english/history-politics/history/ . You still believe that there was a mass migration??. All your old documents from 5th century in Britannia where in Latin and you where mostly Christians. Germania Magna where Pagans as even your Danish vikings were: http://denmark.dk/en/society/history/ to the late 10th century. Remember your King Alfre in 8th century went to Rome to be crowned king. Forgive me i was not taught this at school but at least I am capable to still learn and educate myself. Thou knows nothing!. Casurgis out — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.32.240.50 ( talk) 02:21, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
What does all this have to do with East Anglia? The East Angles didn't call themselves 'Saxon', so perhaps didn't come from Lower Saxony but Angeln (or at least believed that they had done so); and anyway, the East Angles were later called the 'North Folk' after (it is said in AD527, maybe 70 or 80 years after the original Anglian settlements in the area) that 'pagans came from Germany...' - it is likely that these settlers were the 'South Folk' around Ipswich, and their continental origin is not more closely described. If the material culture of these settlers is closer to Sweden than north-west Germany or anywhere else the 'Anglo-Saxons' are supposed to have come from, then it's likely that there were strong links between Suffolk and Sweden (whether ot not that area was part of the Kingdom of Denmark at that point). Of course, the South Folk could be from continental Germany, rather than Scandinavia, and the links with Sweden could have come later, because if this is the grave of Raedwald, he lived about 100 years after the South Folk probably came to Britain anyway.
Markaeologist ( talk) 12:11, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, this isn't really about the article. What ever happened to rating the sections? I really liked that. If Wikipedia still had ratings, I would give Sutton Hoo 5 stars. It was a well written article. I don't like history at all and I was really into this section. This is my favorite topic yet! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.151.221.46 ( talk) 15:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
The article tells us that at first it wasn't clear whether it was early Anglo-Saxon or Viking, backed by a citation. I think the article might be improved by briefly listing the reasons why the Viking possibility was rejected, backed by a citation. (I only came here in the hope of finding those reasons.) Tlhslobus ( talk) 05:56, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Not sure if it is better than the current image or not. Background is a bit busy. ©Geni ( talk) 17:46, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Footnote 6 says that "The fragments [of the Sutton Hoo helmet] were used first in 1945–46[58][59] by Herbert Maryon to produce the reconstructed helmet that was displayed at the Festival of Britain in 1951, but were reinterpreted by Nigel Williams in 1970–71[60][61] using materials not previously identified and methods not previously possible. It was from this second reconstruction that a replica helmet has been based.[62]" The part of the note about the Festival of Britain was added by @ Neddyseagoon: in this 2006 edit, but is unsourced. Does anyone know whether this (i.e., that the helmet was displayed at the Festival) is true or not, and if so, what source says so? At least two sources mention the Sutton Hoo exhibit at the Festival, but they don't mention the helmet. The Catalogue of Exhibits (p. 114) mentions two exhibits under "The Treasure of Sutton Hoo": "B119 The Excavation ; reproduced under the direction of R. L. S. Bruce Mitford," and "B120 Details of the treasure ; by permission of British Museum." Additionally, a 1954 Sutton Hoo bibliography (pp. 116–17) states that a "model of the ship (2/3 natural size), with replicas of the grave goods in full scale or a little over, formed part of the "People of Britain" exhibit at the Festival of Britain in 1951; this exhibit was arranged by Rupert L. S. Bruce-Mitford, Assistant Keeper of British and Medieval Antiquities of the British Museum and spiritus rector of present-day Sutton Hoo research." Nothing is said of the actual artifacts being displayed, let alone the helmet. I was also under the impression that the first imagined rendering of the helmet was done for the 1966 (2nd ed.) Map of Britain in the Dark Ages. Under "cover design," that map says ". . .in this, the first attempted reconstruction in colour, as compared with the helmet as hitherto published or as at present seen in the British Museum." Anyone have any ideas? Neddyseagoon isn't answering, so asking here. -- Usernameunique ( talk) 23:58, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
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The map in the "Location" section has the caption "The Wicklaw region". What does this mean? There is no corresponding explanation in the text and I cannot find it mentioned in any other article. The map is "based on Suffolk Map by John Kirby (c 1730)". Was "Wicklaw" an Anglo-Saxon term? Or was it a term used in 1730? Thank you. 109.154.90.149 ( talk) 22:41, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
[3] —— SerialNumber 54129 09:07, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Hello! To my mind, the representation of a place/ historical thing in popular culture is important and interesting within an encyclopedic page. Sutton Hoo has both a book and a forthcoming film of the book (as well as other pieces of creative adaptation, including a play by Kevin Crossley-Holland that imagines the burial). I added information to this effect which was removed by Dudley Miles. I'd be interested to discuss this more with you and others! Happy to be persuaded, but at present I am convinced the information should live here.
Copying below the edit that I added, which was reversed, for ease of discussion. Thanks for any and all ideas! - Medievalfran ( talk) 17:27, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
In popular culture
The Dig (2007) is a historical novel by John Preston, which reimagines the events of the 1939 excavation. [1]
A Netflix-produced film adaptation of The Dig starring Carey Mulligan and Ralph Fiennes is due to be released in 2021. [2]
References
There's two of the same image of the ship in the article. I would have removed one, but I didn't know which one to remove. Kind regards, Willbb234 Talk (please {{ ping}} me in replies) 23:33, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
This source does not validate the statement "Unusually, Sutton Hoo included regalia and instruments of power and had direct Scandinavian connections" at all. For one, it's 50 years older than the excavation itself. Still, I read through it, and found no mention of Sutton Hoo at all. Mårtensås ( talk) 19:09, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello! During late June, July and some of August, I'm working on a paid project sponsored by the National Trust to review and enhance coverage of NT sites. You can find the pilot edits here, as well as a statement and contact details for the National Trust. I am leaving this message when I make a first edit to a page; please do get in touch if you have any concerns. Lajmmoore ( talk) 07:09, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Is this the right article to include material on the Lady Alice Kenlis hulk? See [Hulk of 19th Century Iron Steamship by Designer of the Cutty Sark Granted Protection | Historic England] and [Sutton Hoo: Victorian iron steamship hulk granted protection - BBC News]. SovalValtos ( talk) 10:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)