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Why was this edit reverted?
I removed some apparently extranous, unencyclopedic material (" Retrieved on: 2009-03-16.")
Apparently irrelevant biographical material "Permaculture has, for David Holmgren become a whole-of-life pursuit integrating permaculture principles within a whole-of-life philosophy as indicated by the title of his 2002 publication Permaculture, principles and pathways beyond sustainability.
And material about sustainable gardening Australia, and publication of a couple of books. It is not obvious that these are significant milestones in the global development of sustainable gardens/landscapes/etc. There is also no citation to sources that establish the historical significance of these observations.
If this material is significant to understanding sustainable ..., then its significance needs clarification, and it needs citation to WP:RS to establish that significance. Otherwise, it should be deleted. Zodon ( talk) at 00:33, 16 March 2009.
As I noted at the merger discussion, the current article name Sustainable gardens, landscapes and sites does not appear to be in common use. A Google search turned up no references to the phrase. As such, I added the notability tag because the particular combination of concepts here appeared to be of questionable notability and possibly an original synthesis.
Discussion here and in the above noted discussion, it appears that the intent of the article is to cover an area that has several names.
As I understand WP:NAME, a name for the article should be based on what reliable English language sources call the subject. Since there can only be one main name, the one most easily recognized should be used. Forming a name by stringing various terms together with conjunctions does not appear to be preferred naming, unless a combination of terms is in common usage.
Think the article should be named with the most commonly used term, with the others as redirects, rather than the current conjunction of terms.
Sorry to have to jump into this discussion but Granitethighs above is in a marked conflict of interest... ^ a b c d e f Cross, R. & Spencer, R. (2009). Sustainable Gardens. CSIRO Publishing, Collingwood. ISBN 978-0-643-09422-2. Granitethighs is one of the people involved in this book promoted on Wikipedia. This then turns into something a little like this in context http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VSCA -- skip sievert ( talk) 15:08, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Could whoever placed this tag on the article substantiate the claims either here or by tagging the article appropriately. Otherwise the tag will be removed. Granitethighs ( talk) 02:48, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Just to summarise - please adjust if you think this is not accurate but be as brief as possible:
Granitethighs ( talk) 23:49, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
OK - to regroup again.
Person above, please do not add your book which is a capital and commercial project to this article that you originated. That is a conflict of interest. Those are the rules. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Uw-coi skip sievert ( talk) 16:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I support no merge - keeping the
Sustainable gardening and
Sustainable landscape architecture articles separate, with this one focusing on the "project scale" of 'gardening-personal gardens-gardeners' (in
Category:Sustainable gardening). The 'landscape arch. design-master plan: philosophy-techniques-technology-landscape architects' scale (in
Category:Sustainable environmental design), and 'urban design-regional landscape planning-environmental designers-planners' scale (in
Category:Sustainable urban planning) are for larger scaled projects at a less 'hands on—in the field' scale.
In the wikipedia 'a work in progress' spirit, patience with current less distinguishable and lean articles on popular '
sustainability outdoors' search topics may be needed until 'we editors' expand them. Thanks---cheers---
Look2See1
t a l k →
18:42, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
I agree: there would only be a case for merging sustainable landscape architecture with sustainable gardening if gardening and landscape architecture were the same thing, which they are not. Garden designers are almost exclusively concerned with gardens. Landscape architects are are little concerned with gardens but are also involved with a wide range of other land uses: agriculture, forestry, transport, urbanization etc. They are not the only professionals concerned with these land uses but they make a significant contribution and it is often directed at making these land uses more sustainable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.175.216 ( talk) 13:16, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
I have read the talk pages of both articles, and agree that the articles should not be merged. The scope of landscape gardening is wider than 'gardening' as it is normally conceived. Both articles are in good shape now and don't overlap much in content and coverage (if at all). -- Greenmaven ( talk) 09:31, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello! I was looking through this article and noticed that all of the references are from 2012 or earlier. I think it would be beneficial to add sources that are more current, as there has been more information published on the topic since then, and am thinking of doing research soon to add more current information. Also, I am curious if anyone has any opinion on the idea of adding a section that focuses on the practical implementation of sustainable gardening. This article does a great job of outlining philosophies and theory surrounding sustainable gardening, but I think it would be beneficial to add a section on the successes or failures of this form of gardening in practice, using real-life examples. Does anyone have ideas on whether this is a good idea, or suggestions for how to implement a section like this successfully? Thanks! Wags1234 ( talk) 00:37, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
See my comment as to merging this article above. If we define this as gardening at a home scale, per posters on this talk page above, only a single reference is about the subject matter, the rest is about large scale projects or agriculture, or doesn't belong here at all. The only reference about this subject matter is a book of questionable notability written by the guy who wrote most of this article. So I am going through this deleting or moving stuff elsewhere, in possible preparation of a merge. Cheers, Leo Breman ( talk) 12:01, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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Why was this edit reverted?
I removed some apparently extranous, unencyclopedic material (" Retrieved on: 2009-03-16.")
Apparently irrelevant biographical material "Permaculture has, for David Holmgren become a whole-of-life pursuit integrating permaculture principles within a whole-of-life philosophy as indicated by the title of his 2002 publication Permaculture, principles and pathways beyond sustainability.
And material about sustainable gardening Australia, and publication of a couple of books. It is not obvious that these are significant milestones in the global development of sustainable gardens/landscapes/etc. There is also no citation to sources that establish the historical significance of these observations.
If this material is significant to understanding sustainable ..., then its significance needs clarification, and it needs citation to WP:RS to establish that significance. Otherwise, it should be deleted. Zodon ( talk) at 00:33, 16 March 2009.
As I noted at the merger discussion, the current article name Sustainable gardens, landscapes and sites does not appear to be in common use. A Google search turned up no references to the phrase. As such, I added the notability tag because the particular combination of concepts here appeared to be of questionable notability and possibly an original synthesis.
Discussion here and in the above noted discussion, it appears that the intent of the article is to cover an area that has several names.
As I understand WP:NAME, a name for the article should be based on what reliable English language sources call the subject. Since there can only be one main name, the one most easily recognized should be used. Forming a name by stringing various terms together with conjunctions does not appear to be preferred naming, unless a combination of terms is in common usage.
Think the article should be named with the most commonly used term, with the others as redirects, rather than the current conjunction of terms.
Sorry to have to jump into this discussion but Granitethighs above is in a marked conflict of interest... ^ a b c d e f Cross, R. & Spencer, R. (2009). Sustainable Gardens. CSIRO Publishing, Collingwood. ISBN 978-0-643-09422-2. Granitethighs is one of the people involved in this book promoted on Wikipedia. This then turns into something a little like this in context http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VSCA -- skip sievert ( talk) 15:08, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Could whoever placed this tag on the article substantiate the claims either here or by tagging the article appropriately. Otherwise the tag will be removed. Granitethighs ( talk) 02:48, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Just to summarise - please adjust if you think this is not accurate but be as brief as possible:
Granitethighs ( talk) 23:49, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
OK - to regroup again.
Person above, please do not add your book which is a capital and commercial project to this article that you originated. That is a conflict of interest. Those are the rules. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Uw-coi skip sievert ( talk) 16:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I support no merge - keeping the
Sustainable gardening and
Sustainable landscape architecture articles separate, with this one focusing on the "project scale" of 'gardening-personal gardens-gardeners' (in
Category:Sustainable gardening). The 'landscape arch. design-master plan: philosophy-techniques-technology-landscape architects' scale (in
Category:Sustainable environmental design), and 'urban design-regional landscape planning-environmental designers-planners' scale (in
Category:Sustainable urban planning) are for larger scaled projects at a less 'hands on—in the field' scale.
In the wikipedia 'a work in progress' spirit, patience with current less distinguishable and lean articles on popular '
sustainability outdoors' search topics may be needed until 'we editors' expand them. Thanks---cheers---
Look2See1
t a l k →
18:42, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
I agree: there would only be a case for merging sustainable landscape architecture with sustainable gardening if gardening and landscape architecture were the same thing, which they are not. Garden designers are almost exclusively concerned with gardens. Landscape architects are are little concerned with gardens but are also involved with a wide range of other land uses: agriculture, forestry, transport, urbanization etc. They are not the only professionals concerned with these land uses but they make a significant contribution and it is often directed at making these land uses more sustainable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.175.216 ( talk) 13:16, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
I have read the talk pages of both articles, and agree that the articles should not be merged. The scope of landscape gardening is wider than 'gardening' as it is normally conceived. Both articles are in good shape now and don't overlap much in content and coverage (if at all). -- Greenmaven ( talk) 09:31, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello! I was looking through this article and noticed that all of the references are from 2012 or earlier. I think it would be beneficial to add sources that are more current, as there has been more information published on the topic since then, and am thinking of doing research soon to add more current information. Also, I am curious if anyone has any opinion on the idea of adding a section that focuses on the practical implementation of sustainable gardening. This article does a great job of outlining philosophies and theory surrounding sustainable gardening, but I think it would be beneficial to add a section on the successes or failures of this form of gardening in practice, using real-life examples. Does anyone have ideas on whether this is a good idea, or suggestions for how to implement a section like this successfully? Thanks! Wags1234 ( talk) 00:37, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
See my comment as to merging this article above. If we define this as gardening at a home scale, per posters on this talk page above, only a single reference is about the subject matter, the rest is about large scale projects or agriculture, or doesn't belong here at all. The only reference about this subject matter is a book of questionable notability written by the guy who wrote most of this article. So I am going through this deleting or moving stuff elsewhere, in possible preparation of a merge. Cheers, Leo Breman ( talk) 12:01, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 4 March 2024 and 30 April 2024. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Catran1 (
article contribs). Peer reviewers:
Christiandelery.
— Assignment last updated by Kmdavis7 ( talk) 18:04, 8 April 2024 (UTC)