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The article on Susana Martinez misuses the word "christian" in a partisan and insulting manner. First of all, 85% of Americans are self-identifying christians, so that statement that she is a christian has no meaning, unless what is meant is that she is an evangelical protestant, which is clearly what *is* meant. This mis-use of the word christian, somehow implying that we Catholics are not Christians, or that Denish is a Jew or a Muslim is partisan non-sense that has no place in Wikipedia. If she is an evangelical protestant, it should state her denomination. If she is a Catholic, it should say so. To say she is a christian is to engage in divisive partisanship. The way conservatives use this word allows them to speak in code, giving the message to evangelicals that she is one of them, without using the label evangelical, which would repel most New Mexicans, while giving the message to non-evangelical or non-Protestant christians (most of us) that it is possible she is a Catholic or from a main-line Protestant denomination.
Naturally, I assumed that she was an Evangelical by this description.
NPR claims that she is Roman Catholic.
If so, saying that she is a Christian is misleading, as in here in Northern New Mexico, the word Christian is usually used in opposition to the dominant religion, Catholicism. Certainly, one would think that a Texan who touts her "Christianity" would be a Baptist.
Nerodog ( talk) 20:58, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
The Education Section incorrectly states Susana got her law degree at the University of Phoenix. This may be an honest mistake or meant as some sort of "slam," but I believe one cannot get a law degree from the University of Phoenix. Susana's webpage states her law degree is from the University of Oklahoma.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.161.115.136 ( talk) 16:18, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
The article incorrectly lists the year that she got her degree as 1982. She earned her J.D. from the University of Oklahoma in 1986, not 1982. Furthermore, she earned her B.A. from the University of Texas at El Paso in 1981, not 1980. http://www.congress.org/bio/id/11544 66.208.16.19 ( talk) 18:18, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.208.16.19 ( talk) 17:31, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Yes the article has a photo, but it was taken on the campaign trail. We need a new updated photo now that Mrs. Martinez is the governor, with the proper permission of use on wikipedia. Does anyone know where we can get one? or does anyone have one? SteveoJ ( talk) 06:07, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I totally agree! This lady is now Governor of New Mexico. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.240.206.191 ( talk) 18:36, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
I've started a discussion at Talk:List of Governors of New Mexico about Martinez's status as first female governor of NM and the 1924 service of Secretary of State Soledad Chávez Chacón in the capacity of governor. In the interest of centralizing discussion, I invite editors of this article to weigh in on the matter at that talk page. — C.Fred ( talk) 14:56, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
The article states the governor as being born and raised in El Paso, Texas. The governors webpage states "Susana was born and raised in the Rio Grande Valley". See www.governor.state.nm.us/Meet_Governor_Martinez.aspx, second to the last paragraph. El Paso and the Rio Grande Valley are about 1000 miles apart. Which is correct? Texano ( talk) 04:29, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
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Why is she identified as "The Honorable"? Is this a New Mexico thing? Typically governors are not called "The Honorable" and I didn't see anything such as a judgeship in her background that would bestow that title upon her. Just wondering. MDuchek ( talk) 00:53, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Could someone working on the Susana Martinez profile please expand the Toribio Ortega profile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.41.78 ( talk) 20:57, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
This section uses Governor Martinez's website (footnote citations 50-55) as the source for several biased statements, Several statements are biased and unsubstantiated, such as the claim that the governor was "limiting the claim of executive privilege to help promote a more transparent government." This is a subjective statement that is easily contradicted by the governors actions with regard to the Labor Relations Board. Similarly, the statement that the governor's executive order on sanctuary status "protects victims and witnesses of criminal acts," is superfluous, unsubstantiated and bias. The fact that such biased statements appear directly next to a chart touting the govenor's high approval rating is also inappropriate, as it creates a narrative setting juxtaposition, rather than a neutral presentation of facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.61.38 ( talk) 02:18, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
The section referring to Governor Martinez's time as a prosecutor in the 3rd Judicial District of New Mexico has been changed several times in the last 24 hours. Specifically, the section has been changed between two competing versions. Based on intimate knowledge of the situation regarding the Governor's dismissal as a deputy district attorney, and further research to that effect, I find it quite biased to quote Greg Valdez in that matter. Upon her dismissal, Martinez sued Valdez for wrongful termination. He and the State later settled that suit for nearly $120,000. Though settlements are not considered an admission of guilt, to quote Valdez before quoting the Governor is misguided and entirely biased.
When this section is updated to better reflect her tenure, it is immediately reverted, claiming the cited sourcing was valid. To use a former employer, political opponent, and twice-unsuccessful political challenger as a source to discuss her dismissal in 1992 is not valid, it's slander.
The changes that were offered to this section removed that slander and restructured the content for the sake of readability. Upon the comparison of the two, very little changes occur otherwise. Edit wars aren't productive, but protectionism over content for the sake of preservation of previous and partial editions defeats the purpose of an encyclopedic resource.
Ffssm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ffssm ( talk • contribs) 17:17, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Slevin case notable because it is one of the largest payouts in U.S. history for violations of prisoner civil rights. The District Attorney for a county is the chief agent responsible for assuring justice for all persons in the jurisdiction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gema7 ( talk • contribs) 17:44, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
As of today (January 8, 2014), this article seems very much like a POV article reading like a campaign commercial for Susana Martinez. It has a litany of things that sound positive (at least to conservative Republicans), and doesn't have even ONE thing listed in the ENTIRE article that is criticism of her, despite her being the governor of one of the U.S. states. Most governors have criticism of them on their Wikipedia pages. It looks to me that this Wikipedia page has been scrubbed of anything negative by her staff and allies editing it (something that routinely happens with articles about politicians). We should not allow her, or any other politician, to use their staff to scrub their Wikipedia pages of anything negative about them and turn their Wikipedia pages into positive, glowing, campaign advertisements. I am considering tagging this article with the POV template, with the template saying it reads like an advertisement. But of course, the traditional policy here at Wikipedia is, don't just plop a tag onto the top of an article, instead write something on the discussion page first. I have read this on the POV template page itself, it says to post something about it on the talk page and have a discussion before adding the POV template to the article itself. Regardless, it is a high priority to get this article in compliance with NPOV rules, because it is widely rumored that Susana Martinez is going to be a candidate for President of the United States in 2016, and it would be best if this article is in tip-top shape and in compliance with all Wikipedia rules and encyclopedic and neutral and with everything in it documented via footnotes and everything like that, prior to then. Presidential campaigns begin a year before the election year nowadays; the 2016 Presidential election campaigns will begin in January 2015, just one year from now. So this article needs to be neutral and high-quality by then, but it would be best to get this done sooner. The article needs a neutral point of view, neither for nor against her, just presenting all relevant facts about her that are well-documented, like for instance the Chris Christie article (about a fellow governor of the same party who is likewise a likely 2016 Presidential candidate), which is much more well-balanced than this one, in that it actually includes some criticism of him which is well-documented with footnotes. I am pointing to the Chris Christie article as an example of a good article, and saying we ought to bring this Susana Martinez article up to par with that one in terms of being neutral and well-documented and not just reading like a 1-sided campaign advertisement. -- Yetisyny ( talk) 17:26, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Her surname is shown as "Martinez" on the official governor's web site, her campaign web site, Biography.com,The New York Times, and Hispanic Business. What is the justification for the recent change of this article title to "Susana Martínez"? Fat&Happy ( talk) 00:43, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
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The picture is not of the FEMALE Governor and basic info underneath has been satirized — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:0:80F:0:0:0:79 ( talk) 02:50, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
I removed the phrase in the lede which says Martinez was "the first woman of color governor in the United States." Nikki Haley was elected in South Carolina on the same day and took office twelve days after Martinez, so it does not seem like a distinction worth making. Closedthursday ( talk) 04:21, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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The article on Susana Martinez misuses the word "christian" in a partisan and insulting manner. First of all, 85% of Americans are self-identifying christians, so that statement that she is a christian has no meaning, unless what is meant is that she is an evangelical protestant, which is clearly what *is* meant. This mis-use of the word christian, somehow implying that we Catholics are not Christians, or that Denish is a Jew or a Muslim is partisan non-sense that has no place in Wikipedia. If she is an evangelical protestant, it should state her denomination. If she is a Catholic, it should say so. To say she is a christian is to engage in divisive partisanship. The way conservatives use this word allows them to speak in code, giving the message to evangelicals that she is one of them, without using the label evangelical, which would repel most New Mexicans, while giving the message to non-evangelical or non-Protestant christians (most of us) that it is possible she is a Catholic or from a main-line Protestant denomination.
Naturally, I assumed that she was an Evangelical by this description.
NPR claims that she is Roman Catholic.
If so, saying that she is a Christian is misleading, as in here in Northern New Mexico, the word Christian is usually used in opposition to the dominant religion, Catholicism. Certainly, one would think that a Texan who touts her "Christianity" would be a Baptist.
Nerodog ( talk) 20:58, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
The Education Section incorrectly states Susana got her law degree at the University of Phoenix. This may be an honest mistake or meant as some sort of "slam," but I believe one cannot get a law degree from the University of Phoenix. Susana's webpage states her law degree is from the University of Oklahoma.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.161.115.136 ( talk) 16:18, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
The article incorrectly lists the year that she got her degree as 1982. She earned her J.D. from the University of Oklahoma in 1986, not 1982. Furthermore, she earned her B.A. from the University of Texas at El Paso in 1981, not 1980. http://www.congress.org/bio/id/11544 66.208.16.19 ( talk) 18:18, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.208.16.19 ( talk) 17:31, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Yes the article has a photo, but it was taken on the campaign trail. We need a new updated photo now that Mrs. Martinez is the governor, with the proper permission of use on wikipedia. Does anyone know where we can get one? or does anyone have one? SteveoJ ( talk) 06:07, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I totally agree! This lady is now Governor of New Mexico. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.240.206.191 ( talk) 18:36, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
I've started a discussion at Talk:List of Governors of New Mexico about Martinez's status as first female governor of NM and the 1924 service of Secretary of State Soledad Chávez Chacón in the capacity of governor. In the interest of centralizing discussion, I invite editors of this article to weigh in on the matter at that talk page. — C.Fred ( talk) 14:56, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
The article states the governor as being born and raised in El Paso, Texas. The governors webpage states "Susana was born and raised in the Rio Grande Valley". See www.governor.state.nm.us/Meet_Governor_Martinez.aspx, second to the last paragraph. El Paso and the Rio Grande Valley are about 1000 miles apart. Which is correct? Texano ( talk) 04:29, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
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Why is she identified as "The Honorable"? Is this a New Mexico thing? Typically governors are not called "The Honorable" and I didn't see anything such as a judgeship in her background that would bestow that title upon her. Just wondering. MDuchek ( talk) 00:53, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Could someone working on the Susana Martinez profile please expand the Toribio Ortega profile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.41.78 ( talk) 20:57, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
This section uses Governor Martinez's website (footnote citations 50-55) as the source for several biased statements, Several statements are biased and unsubstantiated, such as the claim that the governor was "limiting the claim of executive privilege to help promote a more transparent government." This is a subjective statement that is easily contradicted by the governors actions with regard to the Labor Relations Board. Similarly, the statement that the governor's executive order on sanctuary status "protects victims and witnesses of criminal acts," is superfluous, unsubstantiated and bias. The fact that such biased statements appear directly next to a chart touting the govenor's high approval rating is also inappropriate, as it creates a narrative setting juxtaposition, rather than a neutral presentation of facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.61.38 ( talk) 02:18, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
The section referring to Governor Martinez's time as a prosecutor in the 3rd Judicial District of New Mexico has been changed several times in the last 24 hours. Specifically, the section has been changed between two competing versions. Based on intimate knowledge of the situation regarding the Governor's dismissal as a deputy district attorney, and further research to that effect, I find it quite biased to quote Greg Valdez in that matter. Upon her dismissal, Martinez sued Valdez for wrongful termination. He and the State later settled that suit for nearly $120,000. Though settlements are not considered an admission of guilt, to quote Valdez before quoting the Governor is misguided and entirely biased.
When this section is updated to better reflect her tenure, it is immediately reverted, claiming the cited sourcing was valid. To use a former employer, political opponent, and twice-unsuccessful political challenger as a source to discuss her dismissal in 1992 is not valid, it's slander.
The changes that were offered to this section removed that slander and restructured the content for the sake of readability. Upon the comparison of the two, very little changes occur otherwise. Edit wars aren't productive, but protectionism over content for the sake of preservation of previous and partial editions defeats the purpose of an encyclopedic resource.
Ffssm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ffssm ( talk • contribs) 17:17, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Slevin case notable because it is one of the largest payouts in U.S. history for violations of prisoner civil rights. The District Attorney for a county is the chief agent responsible for assuring justice for all persons in the jurisdiction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gema7 ( talk • contribs) 17:44, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
As of today (January 8, 2014), this article seems very much like a POV article reading like a campaign commercial for Susana Martinez. It has a litany of things that sound positive (at least to conservative Republicans), and doesn't have even ONE thing listed in the ENTIRE article that is criticism of her, despite her being the governor of one of the U.S. states. Most governors have criticism of them on their Wikipedia pages. It looks to me that this Wikipedia page has been scrubbed of anything negative by her staff and allies editing it (something that routinely happens with articles about politicians). We should not allow her, or any other politician, to use their staff to scrub their Wikipedia pages of anything negative about them and turn their Wikipedia pages into positive, glowing, campaign advertisements. I am considering tagging this article with the POV template, with the template saying it reads like an advertisement. But of course, the traditional policy here at Wikipedia is, don't just plop a tag onto the top of an article, instead write something on the discussion page first. I have read this on the POV template page itself, it says to post something about it on the talk page and have a discussion before adding the POV template to the article itself. Regardless, it is a high priority to get this article in compliance with NPOV rules, because it is widely rumored that Susana Martinez is going to be a candidate for President of the United States in 2016, and it would be best if this article is in tip-top shape and in compliance with all Wikipedia rules and encyclopedic and neutral and with everything in it documented via footnotes and everything like that, prior to then. Presidential campaigns begin a year before the election year nowadays; the 2016 Presidential election campaigns will begin in January 2015, just one year from now. So this article needs to be neutral and high-quality by then, but it would be best to get this done sooner. The article needs a neutral point of view, neither for nor against her, just presenting all relevant facts about her that are well-documented, like for instance the Chris Christie article (about a fellow governor of the same party who is likewise a likely 2016 Presidential candidate), which is much more well-balanced than this one, in that it actually includes some criticism of him which is well-documented with footnotes. I am pointing to the Chris Christie article as an example of a good article, and saying we ought to bring this Susana Martinez article up to par with that one in terms of being neutral and well-documented and not just reading like a 1-sided campaign advertisement. -- Yetisyny ( talk) 17:26, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Her surname is shown as "Martinez" on the official governor's web site, her campaign web site, Biography.com,The New York Times, and Hispanic Business. What is the justification for the recent change of this article title to "Susana Martínez"? Fat&Happy ( talk) 00:43, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
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The picture is not of the FEMALE Governor and basic info underneath has been satirized — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:0:80F:0:0:0:79 ( talk) 02:50, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
I removed the phrase in the lede which says Martinez was "the first woman of color governor in the United States." Nikki Haley was elected in South Carolina on the same day and took office twelve days after Martinez, so it does not seem like a distinction worth making. Closedthursday ( talk) 04:21, 7 September 2022 (UTC)