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The following POV-pushing text needs to be fixed:
The word "abandoned" is not needed, as "resigned" suffices. Also the text "her own agenda federally" seem unecessary, once it's stated she's ran for, and won federal office. Also, the link given, is just a city's home page, and the home page doesn't specifically relate to this. -- rob 13:51, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
"abandoned" and "resigned" have two differnt meanings. The link is to the City of Vaughan website once there you have to click on governement. It shows tha facts about that she "abandoned" her position in May, 2004 and "resigned" in July, 2004 Thivierr/Rob asked for me to put a source of info. up so I did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.242.98 ( talk • contribs)
Hello, User:64.231.242.98. I have added a referenced note to the page showing the date of Susan Kadis' resignation from the Vaughan City Council. Please add the same for the "abandoned" comment. -- YUL89YYZ 19:29, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
The "abandoned" was not official like the "resignation" an exact date I don't think could be pin-pointed. She just stopped attending meetings starting in May, 2004 to run her campaigne federally. I think the attendance of councillors are listed somewhere on the City of Vaughan website. Just for your information the proper proceedure (here in Canada) when an elected official seeks another elected position while still serving the original term they must resign (or in some cases take an official unpaid leave of absence) there position prior to starting there campaign for the new position they are seeking. she did not do this. Susan Kadis was under a lot of scrutiny (locally) after the election for making this mistake and there was a group that even attemped to get her impeached for this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.242.98 ( talk • contribs)
I was thinking about this and isn't this normal when a person runs for a federal position. If I was to run for office, I would ask for a leave of absence from my current job, and if I were to win I would then resign. You can't expect a City Counillor or anyone to always wait for her term to expire and then wait for the next federal election to run. Isn't this what Olivia Chow did? -- YUL89YYZ 15:15, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
I hope this answers your question. Susan Kadis did NOT take an unpaid leave of absence she just stopped attending meetings and therefore abandoned her position. She had to take an unpaid leave of absence or resign prior to running her campaign federally which she did not therefore she was still on the city pay roll during and even after she was elected federally, if you look at her resignation letter you will notice that the letter was written and received on July 9th and she requested that her resignation to be retro-activated to June 28th. The proper procedure is to write a letter prior to starting your campaign of either resignation or a letter stating that you are taking an unpaid leave of absence with an understanding that this letter will also act as a letter of resignation pending the outcome of the election. If Vaughan council wanted to give her a hard time and voted against retro-activating her resignation she would not be able to be sworn in as a Member of Parliament. Lots of politicians do run for other positions while still in office including your example of Olivia Chow but they take an official unpaid leave of absence (that could be found in the council meeting minutes) and then either return to office or automatically resign after the election depending on the out come of the election. In Olivia Chow’s case she requested to end her unpaid leave of absence and returned to office after losing federally. The reason they have this in place is to avoid already elected candidates an unfair advantage by 1. Getting paid from their original position to fund their campaign 2. To avoid them using the resources from there original elected position 3. To use there position as an elected official to convince voters to vote for them EG: vote for me and I will get you break on your (municipal) property tax before I resign, to builders and construction companies, vote for me or you will never get a building permit from the city again. (I used these two examples for a reason because they were used) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.242.98 ( talk • contribs)
Wikipedia has rules about the application of POV bias. This article will not use the term "abandoned", and it will not describe a federal election campaign as "pursuing her own agenda". This is a fundamentally biased and inappropriate description. Bearcat 19:54, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
What the anon editor posted:
So I'll revert again. This page may require protection from the anon editor who is pushing a bizarre and unsubstantiated POV. Ground Zero | t 23:03, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
No evidence that she supported the issues posted
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Susan Kadis is one of four MP's mentioned in the CTV report that supports free lunches for MP's-- 67.71.86.17 01:28, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Is this article from CTV even enough to include in her entry? Was there any more attention than this one article? It's presence seems to overstate its importance. Thes entinel 22:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I have seen the following statement, "Kadis ran for the provincial Liberal Party nomination for the riding of Thornhill in 2003, but lost to fellow city councillor Mario Racco.", added and removed many times. It would seem pretty easy for someone to find a reference for this. If it is true it should stay in the article. -- YUL89YYZ 13:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Theonlyedge 22:55, 14 February 2006 (UTC) Yup, it was true (according to Mario Racco). Racco tried to get the federal nomination, but in turn lost to Kadis.
Racco never attempted to get the federal nomination (against Kadis in 2004 adn 2006), if he did he would have "steamed rolled" over Kadis for the nomination like he did Provincially. Kadis was aclaimed as the federal liberal candidate-- 64.231.172.236 05:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
The point of all the above is that it has to be verifiable. Word of mouth, even if true, is not verifiable for Wikipedia. You need to have documented sources without original research. -- YUL89YYZ 00:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Got it: Toronto Star, Sept. 3, 2003, pg A8. "Liberals see a 905 opportunity" by Ian Urquhart:
I know there's a convention for how newspapers should be cited in Wikipedia now, but I'm not familiar with it. Perhaps someone who is could set it up. - Joshuapaquin 00:19, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
I believe it should be removed from the article. Comments? pm_shef 01:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Response
VaughanWatch 01:15, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Mentioning the article, even if the wording is technically NPOV, is a bit of stretch for inclusion in Kadis's entry. In the article itself, it is not about Kadis, Kadis had no rule in implementing the free lunch policy, Kadis isn't singled out for using the privilege any more than any one of the other 300+ MPs. It seems she is only mentioned because she's one of the four people in the House caf when the reporter showed up for this light piece of throwaway journalism. The connection of this issue to Kadis is not even tangential, its serendipitous. Let's admit that its continued presence is really just a result of everyone's exhaustion in dealing with those who insist on including it. If you want to make the point that Kadis is wasteful or unaccountable, find something that proves it and, by all means, include it for all to see in her entry. Thes entinel 21:53, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Is there any substantive reason for Wikipedia to go out of its way to characterize Susan Kadis as a feminist? Has she specifically been involved in feminist activism, or is it just being added in the sense that it's applied by certain people to any woman with a public career? Bearcat 07:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Just for the record: any MP is allowed to endorse or support any leadership candidate of their choice; Kadis does not have any geographic or scratch-my-back obligation to support Bevilacqua or Volpe for the leadership. (Especially since, let's be honest, neither one of them really has much chance of winning in the first place.) This article is not to communicate any POV assumption or expectation that she should be supporting somebody she isn't. How many times, exactly, have we had to point out that neutral point of view and verifiability are not negotiable requirements on Wikipedia? Bearcat 01:31, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
The neutrality of this article is disputed; the article appears to be very much a self-written promotion. She has been involved in many scandals coming from Vaughan council and now within the federal liberal party, she was even asked by liberal insiders to step a side. None of this relevant information for an encyclopaedia article is mentioned-- ThornhilllWatch 17:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Is there a source on that or was it just assumed that an ethnic Jew would be of the Jewish faith? -- JGGardiner 08:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
The Canadian Jewish News is a good source. Here is one link ( http://www.cjnews.com/viewarticle.asp?id=8301&s=1) where it says "Liberal Susan Kadis, was one of five Jewish MPs in the last House of Commons" -- YUL89YYZ 10:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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The following POV-pushing text needs to be fixed:
The word "abandoned" is not needed, as "resigned" suffices. Also the text "her own agenda federally" seem unecessary, once it's stated she's ran for, and won federal office. Also, the link given, is just a city's home page, and the home page doesn't specifically relate to this. -- rob 13:51, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
"abandoned" and "resigned" have two differnt meanings. The link is to the City of Vaughan website once there you have to click on governement. It shows tha facts about that she "abandoned" her position in May, 2004 and "resigned" in July, 2004 Thivierr/Rob asked for me to put a source of info. up so I did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.242.98 ( talk • contribs)
Hello, User:64.231.242.98. I have added a referenced note to the page showing the date of Susan Kadis' resignation from the Vaughan City Council. Please add the same for the "abandoned" comment. -- YUL89YYZ 19:29, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
The "abandoned" was not official like the "resignation" an exact date I don't think could be pin-pointed. She just stopped attending meetings starting in May, 2004 to run her campaigne federally. I think the attendance of councillors are listed somewhere on the City of Vaughan website. Just for your information the proper proceedure (here in Canada) when an elected official seeks another elected position while still serving the original term they must resign (or in some cases take an official unpaid leave of absence) there position prior to starting there campaign for the new position they are seeking. she did not do this. Susan Kadis was under a lot of scrutiny (locally) after the election for making this mistake and there was a group that even attemped to get her impeached for this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.242.98 ( talk • contribs)
I was thinking about this and isn't this normal when a person runs for a federal position. If I was to run for office, I would ask for a leave of absence from my current job, and if I were to win I would then resign. You can't expect a City Counillor or anyone to always wait for her term to expire and then wait for the next federal election to run. Isn't this what Olivia Chow did? -- YUL89YYZ 15:15, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
I hope this answers your question. Susan Kadis did NOT take an unpaid leave of absence she just stopped attending meetings and therefore abandoned her position. She had to take an unpaid leave of absence or resign prior to running her campaign federally which she did not therefore she was still on the city pay roll during and even after she was elected federally, if you look at her resignation letter you will notice that the letter was written and received on July 9th and she requested that her resignation to be retro-activated to June 28th. The proper procedure is to write a letter prior to starting your campaign of either resignation or a letter stating that you are taking an unpaid leave of absence with an understanding that this letter will also act as a letter of resignation pending the outcome of the election. If Vaughan council wanted to give her a hard time and voted against retro-activating her resignation she would not be able to be sworn in as a Member of Parliament. Lots of politicians do run for other positions while still in office including your example of Olivia Chow but they take an official unpaid leave of absence (that could be found in the council meeting minutes) and then either return to office or automatically resign after the election depending on the out come of the election. In Olivia Chow’s case she requested to end her unpaid leave of absence and returned to office after losing federally. The reason they have this in place is to avoid already elected candidates an unfair advantage by 1. Getting paid from their original position to fund their campaign 2. To avoid them using the resources from there original elected position 3. To use there position as an elected official to convince voters to vote for them EG: vote for me and I will get you break on your (municipal) property tax before I resign, to builders and construction companies, vote for me or you will never get a building permit from the city again. (I used these two examples for a reason because they were used) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.242.98 ( talk • contribs)
Wikipedia has rules about the application of POV bias. This article will not use the term "abandoned", and it will not describe a federal election campaign as "pursuing her own agenda". This is a fundamentally biased and inappropriate description. Bearcat 19:54, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
What the anon editor posted:
So I'll revert again. This page may require protection from the anon editor who is pushing a bizarre and unsubstantiated POV. Ground Zero | t 23:03, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
No evidence that she supported the issues posted
--
67.71.86.17
23:15, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Susan Kadis is one of four MP's mentioned in the CTV report that supports free lunches for MP's-- 67.71.86.17 01:28, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Is this article from CTV even enough to include in her entry? Was there any more attention than this one article? It's presence seems to overstate its importance. Thes entinel 22:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I have seen the following statement, "Kadis ran for the provincial Liberal Party nomination for the riding of Thornhill in 2003, but lost to fellow city councillor Mario Racco.", added and removed many times. It would seem pretty easy for someone to find a reference for this. If it is true it should stay in the article. -- YUL89YYZ 13:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Theonlyedge 22:55, 14 February 2006 (UTC) Yup, it was true (according to Mario Racco). Racco tried to get the federal nomination, but in turn lost to Kadis.
Racco never attempted to get the federal nomination (against Kadis in 2004 adn 2006), if he did he would have "steamed rolled" over Kadis for the nomination like he did Provincially. Kadis was aclaimed as the federal liberal candidate-- 64.231.172.236 05:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
The point of all the above is that it has to be verifiable. Word of mouth, even if true, is not verifiable for Wikipedia. You need to have documented sources without original research. -- YUL89YYZ 00:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Got it: Toronto Star, Sept. 3, 2003, pg A8. "Liberals see a 905 opportunity" by Ian Urquhart:
I know there's a convention for how newspapers should be cited in Wikipedia now, but I'm not familiar with it. Perhaps someone who is could set it up. - Joshuapaquin 00:19, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
I believe it should be removed from the article. Comments? pm_shef 01:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Response
VaughanWatch 01:15, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Mentioning the article, even if the wording is technically NPOV, is a bit of stretch for inclusion in Kadis's entry. In the article itself, it is not about Kadis, Kadis had no rule in implementing the free lunch policy, Kadis isn't singled out for using the privilege any more than any one of the other 300+ MPs. It seems she is only mentioned because she's one of the four people in the House caf when the reporter showed up for this light piece of throwaway journalism. The connection of this issue to Kadis is not even tangential, its serendipitous. Let's admit that its continued presence is really just a result of everyone's exhaustion in dealing with those who insist on including it. If you want to make the point that Kadis is wasteful or unaccountable, find something that proves it and, by all means, include it for all to see in her entry. Thes entinel 21:53, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Is there any substantive reason for Wikipedia to go out of its way to characterize Susan Kadis as a feminist? Has she specifically been involved in feminist activism, or is it just being added in the sense that it's applied by certain people to any woman with a public career? Bearcat 07:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Just for the record: any MP is allowed to endorse or support any leadership candidate of their choice; Kadis does not have any geographic or scratch-my-back obligation to support Bevilacqua or Volpe for the leadership. (Especially since, let's be honest, neither one of them really has much chance of winning in the first place.) This article is not to communicate any POV assumption or expectation that she should be supporting somebody she isn't. How many times, exactly, have we had to point out that neutral point of view and verifiability are not negotiable requirements on Wikipedia? Bearcat 01:31, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
The neutrality of this article is disputed; the article appears to be very much a self-written promotion. She has been involved in many scandals coming from Vaughan council and now within the federal liberal party, she was even asked by liberal insiders to step a side. None of this relevant information for an encyclopaedia article is mentioned-- ThornhilllWatch 17:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Is there a source on that or was it just assumed that an ethnic Jew would be of the Jewish faith? -- JGGardiner 08:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
The Canadian Jewish News is a good source. Here is one link ( http://www.cjnews.com/viewarticle.asp?id=8301&s=1) where it says "Liberal Susan Kadis, was one of five Jewish MPs in the last House of Commons" -- YUL89YYZ 10:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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