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The Sunborn Gibraltar (wrongly spellt in the article) is a corporation-owned floating hotel (that it has a hull and an engine room seems irrelevant) therefore not applicable to the privacy found in ownership or private charters that pertain to yachts. The mention should be removed alltogether.
I donot think that the term gigayacht is encyclopedic either as it hardly describes vessel sizes like panamax or capesize do. . signed: Donan Raven ( talk) 16:56, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
@ J 1982, Joefromrandb, JackintheBox, JamesBWatson, Spintendo, BD2412, Madrenergic, Juanpumpchump, Websterwebfoot, and Sprachpfleger: In searching for two terms "luxury yacht" and "superyacht", the later occurs much more frequently and is the term described in Law of Yachts & Yachting edited by Richard Coles, Filippo Lorenzon. I propose to change the name of this article to "Superyacht". Also, most of the references use the term "superyacht".
Furthermore this is about large yachts. A small yacht can be luxurious and yet be out of the intended scope of this article. Yachts smaller than 40 m, are adequately described in the article, Yacht.
The lead would become:
A superyacht is a large, professionally crewed motor or sailing yacht, typically longer than 40 metres (130 ft) and luxuriously appointed.
HopsonRoad ( talk) 02:28, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Done There being no apparent controversy for this move.
HopsonRoad (
talk)
01:52, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
The first problem is that there is no official definition of a super-yacht. "Large yacht" has some legal definitions in parts of the world, but no one actually defines "super yacht".
The second issue is the difference of opinion of the length. The "Law of Yachting" that HopsonRoad referred to seems like a very solid source, but it lists the length as 40 meters (not 24) and very clearly says in the footnote there isn't any official definition.
For the moment, I'm going to update the lead to put the length at 40 metere and also make it clear there is no official definition.
There is however an official legal definition in parts of the world for "large yacht", so maybe that should be somewhere in this article?
-- Geekeasy ( talk) 17:28, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
Greetings, user Hopsin road. I have to respectfully disagree in the case of a superlative, particularly when it is cited at the lead of the article as the longest yacht. If another photo included the superyacht with the greatest tonnage, I would expect to see that figure there as well with it. Likewise, if one was claimed to be the oldest, a date for that. These are all reasonable things, and comeAnd common across the encyclopedia. Yours, Wikiuser100 ( talk) 17:10, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Wikiuser100, I notice that you added a length to the caption for Azzam. I suggest that if it's right for one example, it's right for all. However, I also suggest that it's unnecessary for any of them, since each has a wiki-link, if one wanted to know the length of any of these vessels. The range of lengths is mentioned in the lead paragraph. I suggest that suffices, regarding length, in this article. Cheers, HopsonRoad ( talk) 13:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
IP users (probably the same person) have provided definitions of different sizes of yacht without providing a reliable source with these edits: [1], [2], and [3]. In the last one, he provided a video describing his prank. This is to make other editors aware of this behavior. HopsonRoad ( talk) 17:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
That is not a prankster, he is a superyacht captain who has worked two decades in superyacht industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.248.86.97 ( talk) 19:17, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
The edits were self-explanatory to any seafarer. They are based on maritime law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.248.86.97 ( talk) 19:20, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
I just read about some Russian oligarch sailing his superyacht into the Indian Ocean to get away from the Ukraine war and to avoid having the boat seized (several others have apparently been seized in the past few days). It occurs to me that a huge boat in the middle of the ocean with tons of supplies would be a good place to hunker down if the Big One was about to drop. I wonder if that is part of why those guys buy them in the first place. If yes, it seems worth bringing up in the article. I haven't yet had a chance to look for sources, but may get around to doing so. 2601:648:8202:350:0:0:0:C115 ( talk) 23:59, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
If you have an additon to propose, that fits with the content of this article, and is a demonstrable improvement, then do so. You should post it in a "please change x to y" format, (or add x to y), along with supporting reliable sources. - wolf 12:29, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
As long as we're telling other editors what to do, why don't you make some useful additions to the article yourself, instead of hassling someone who is making an effort? You have reverted some edits and added 1 link (maybe spammy). Tarl hasn't added anything. And WP:TPG specifically says,
So yes, storing links here in preparation for putting them in the article is a perfectly good use of the talk page. Please stop bothering contributors to the article if you are not a contributor yourself. 2601:648:8202:350:0:0:0:C115 ( talk) 02:45, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
This discussion thread seems to have wandered from discussing one or more yacht owners avoiding confiscation of their property to material about one or more luxury submarine concepts. The recently added material on luxury submarines was offered in good faith and substantiated with at least one credible source. I deleted it from this article because since the two dates cited (2007 and 2011) there appears to have been no example of a live-aboard, luxury submarine built, although conceptual designs pop up in the news— this being one from 2017. I suggest that this article is about actual watercraft, not about concepts. Mention of these concepts might be appropriate at Submarine#Civilian, however. Sincerely, HopsonRoad ( talk) 14:05, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
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The Sunborn Gibraltar (wrongly spellt in the article) is a corporation-owned floating hotel (that it has a hull and an engine room seems irrelevant) therefore not applicable to the privacy found in ownership or private charters that pertain to yachts. The mention should be removed alltogether.
I donot think that the term gigayacht is encyclopedic either as it hardly describes vessel sizes like panamax or capesize do. . signed: Donan Raven ( talk) 16:56, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
@ J 1982, Joefromrandb, JackintheBox, JamesBWatson, Spintendo, BD2412, Madrenergic, Juanpumpchump, Websterwebfoot, and Sprachpfleger: In searching for two terms "luxury yacht" and "superyacht", the later occurs much more frequently and is the term described in Law of Yachts & Yachting edited by Richard Coles, Filippo Lorenzon. I propose to change the name of this article to "Superyacht". Also, most of the references use the term "superyacht".
Furthermore this is about large yachts. A small yacht can be luxurious and yet be out of the intended scope of this article. Yachts smaller than 40 m, are adequately described in the article, Yacht.
The lead would become:
A superyacht is a large, professionally crewed motor or sailing yacht, typically longer than 40 metres (130 ft) and luxuriously appointed.
HopsonRoad ( talk) 02:28, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Done There being no apparent controversy for this move.
HopsonRoad (
talk)
01:52, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
The first problem is that there is no official definition of a super-yacht. "Large yacht" has some legal definitions in parts of the world, but no one actually defines "super yacht".
The second issue is the difference of opinion of the length. The "Law of Yachting" that HopsonRoad referred to seems like a very solid source, but it lists the length as 40 meters (not 24) and very clearly says in the footnote there isn't any official definition.
For the moment, I'm going to update the lead to put the length at 40 metere and also make it clear there is no official definition.
There is however an official legal definition in parts of the world for "large yacht", so maybe that should be somewhere in this article?
-- Geekeasy ( talk) 17:28, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
Greetings, user Hopsin road. I have to respectfully disagree in the case of a superlative, particularly when it is cited at the lead of the article as the longest yacht. If another photo included the superyacht with the greatest tonnage, I would expect to see that figure there as well with it. Likewise, if one was claimed to be the oldest, a date for that. These are all reasonable things, and comeAnd common across the encyclopedia. Yours, Wikiuser100 ( talk) 17:10, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Wikiuser100, I notice that you added a length to the caption for Azzam. I suggest that if it's right for one example, it's right for all. However, I also suggest that it's unnecessary for any of them, since each has a wiki-link, if one wanted to know the length of any of these vessels. The range of lengths is mentioned in the lead paragraph. I suggest that suffices, regarding length, in this article. Cheers, HopsonRoad ( talk) 13:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
IP users (probably the same person) have provided definitions of different sizes of yacht without providing a reliable source with these edits: [1], [2], and [3]. In the last one, he provided a video describing his prank. This is to make other editors aware of this behavior. HopsonRoad ( talk) 17:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
That is not a prankster, he is a superyacht captain who has worked two decades in superyacht industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.248.86.97 ( talk) 19:17, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
The edits were self-explanatory to any seafarer. They are based on maritime law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.248.86.97 ( talk) 19:20, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
I just read about some Russian oligarch sailing his superyacht into the Indian Ocean to get away from the Ukraine war and to avoid having the boat seized (several others have apparently been seized in the past few days). It occurs to me that a huge boat in the middle of the ocean with tons of supplies would be a good place to hunker down if the Big One was about to drop. I wonder if that is part of why those guys buy them in the first place. If yes, it seems worth bringing up in the article. I haven't yet had a chance to look for sources, but may get around to doing so. 2601:648:8202:350:0:0:0:C115 ( talk) 23:59, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
If you have an additon to propose, that fits with the content of this article, and is a demonstrable improvement, then do so. You should post it in a "please change x to y" format, (or add x to y), along with supporting reliable sources. - wolf 12:29, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
As long as we're telling other editors what to do, why don't you make some useful additions to the article yourself, instead of hassling someone who is making an effort? You have reverted some edits and added 1 link (maybe spammy). Tarl hasn't added anything. And WP:TPG specifically says,
So yes, storing links here in preparation for putting them in the article is a perfectly good use of the talk page. Please stop bothering contributors to the article if you are not a contributor yourself. 2601:648:8202:350:0:0:0:C115 ( talk) 02:45, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
This discussion thread seems to have wandered from discussing one or more yacht owners avoiding confiscation of their property to material about one or more luxury submarine concepts. The recently added material on luxury submarines was offered in good faith and substantiated with at least one credible source. I deleted it from this article because since the two dates cited (2007 and 2011) there appears to have been no example of a live-aboard, luxury submarine built, although conceptual designs pop up in the news— this being one from 2017. I suggest that this article is about actual watercraft, not about concepts. Mention of these concepts might be appropriate at Submarine#Civilian, however. Sincerely, HopsonRoad ( talk) 14:05, 6 March 2022 (UTC)