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Recently, Warner Bros. has released the first photo of Henry Cavill in the new film "Man of steel". I Suggest this photo be taken and added to the group of actors who have portrayed Superman located in the begining of the infobox
Shouldn't there be a "video game references" section too? Because I think it should be noted that there was a reference to Superman in the game "Super DragonBall Z". Dark Rain
With the focus of this article mostly being on movies, television, etc., should the name be changed to Superman in popular media? This would bring it in line with Batman in popular media. Rhindle The Red 19:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
There was a superman in every seinfeld episode. 70.111.251.203 03:07, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
The DC Talk 'superman' lyric doesn't refer to Supes--it referrs to Neitzche(sp)'s Ubermensch (roughly translated as 'superman').
The article says it featured "George Reeves as Superman". This isn't exactly right. George Reeves played himself, the actor. In the episode he appeared in his Superman costume because he was playing George Reeves is a superman costume (Lucy and Ricky knew a lot of hollywood types). No powers or hokus pokus happened. Just wanted to post this here before changing the article itself.-- Daniel 14:31, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
This posting so clearly fails to be the least bit fair with anything that I said that it is obviously a waste of time to discuss this with you further. Just understand that any attempt to remove that from the list will be reverted. -- Tbrittreid ( talk) 19:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm thinking about restructuring the 'portrayal" sections again. I think maybe "Live Action", "Animation", "Audio", "Video Games", & "Live appearances". Then, subsections like "Film", "Television" (and maybe "Straight to Video") under both "Live Action" and "Animation". I also think the two other significant sections (parodies and homages) are too confusing and probably need some structure as well. Rhindle The Red 15:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking of adding more pictures of various Superman portrayals, including a few in the "Parodies" section. What does everyone think? Are there too many right now, just the right number or would more be beneficial? Rhindle The Red 12:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to guage interest in this "Curse" section and keep the discussion open. Does this stuff fit in here? The argument has been made that newspaper articles are a part of popular culture, but I'm not so sure. Does anyone have any ideas? Rhindle The Red 12:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Tag says it's been suggested that we move the parody section---
I disagree.
I think the parodies are what makes it "Superman in Popular Culture"
What we should move is the "Portrayals" section. The Portrayals and Homages together make this article quite long and perhaps a but clumsy. But the Homages are, in essence, Pop culture, whereas the Portrayals could neatly fit into a "Superman in Media" headline. QotC 02:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Would it be possible to replace the current image of Tom Welling with a different promotional shot of him in his blue t-shirt and red jacket? I personally feel that would give that particular image selection a more Superman-esque vibe. I for one don't have such an image, but if anyone could track one down, that would be... super. -- 156.34.65.69 20:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure Tom Welling should be showed as depicting "Superman" per se. He has protrayed Clark Kent for 7 seasons now, but he's yet to be "Superman." Anyone else have thoughts on this? Minion56 ( talk) 02:26, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Now that the size and scope of this article has been vastly reduced to a more manageable level, should it be brough back into this article or does it still stand on its own? Rhindle The Red 12:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
This area is somewhat bloated with a lot of incidental items of little consequence. Unless someone objects, I will be going through these and removing any that lack substance. Rhindle The Red 03:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Isn't the song Kryptonite from 2000 and not 2002? JamesEG ( talk) 03:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
There's a conversation at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Superman in popular culture about how to improve this article. Please join in. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 06:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
OK, I removed the other section, but some of it may be appropriate for this article if sources can be found. Here's what I removed that we may want to re-add.
Here is the Superman catchphrases section. Could be useful for some page, although it needs cites. These are some lines that have become synonymous with Superman: volume & issue needed
- Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 18:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
References
Do you really think we should be including joke appearances such as Tiny Toons, Pinky and the Brain, Histeria!, The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.64.213 ( talk) 23:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
In the sub-section Radio & other audio there is one entry:
The first problem is that the Wikilink of the title goes to a disambig page, with no directly relevant entry. This, however, may be because what we are actually dealing with is probably the original cast album of the Broadway musical It's a Bird...It's a Plane...It's Superman (Holiday did play the title role there, and the album's cover is the infobox image for the play's Wiki-article). Can anybody verify one way or another what this is? And assuming that this is the OCA, should it actually be listed here, or merely mentioned as an adjunct to the play in the "Theater..." section? It is, after all, not a separate production in and of itself. -- Ted Watson ( talk) 19:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
While doing the work I just did to this article, including dealing with Rhindle the Red's concern about live-action vs. animation/film vs. TV, I noticed some things. There are variant company credits for the modern-era (1990s on) animation productions. Superman (1996 on), Batman Beyond, Justice League (Unlimited), Legion of Super Heroes and The Batman are attributed to "Warner Bros." Direct-to-video features Superman: Doomsday and Justice League: The New Frontier are labelled "by DC Comics." The other seven productions have no such credit at all. However, I'm be very surprised if all of them, with the very possible exception of the American Express/Jerry Seinfield commercials, shouldn't be credited to Warner Bros. Animation. I know for a fact that Pinky and the Brain, Histeria! and The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries bear that sub-company's logo. As the Tiny Toon Adventures series does, that spin-off feature surely does as well. As there is no doubt we should be consistent, the question is, should we put this on all (save the commercials) or just remove the others that are already there?
Something else I did was to add a note that the actor voicing the hero in the Brady Kids episode is unknown, as several other comparable one-shot appearances of the character do have their respective actors identified, but I couldn't find any note on any website about that series dealing with guest actors. However, I have subsequently noticed other similar uses of Superman where the actor is not listed. I am going to do some checking on them, but pending those results, I am quite open to taking that note off. I'm off to do that. -- Ted Watson ( talk) 21:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Ah! We do agree that they are on the same level, then. Good. Thanks. -- Ted Watson ( talk) 20:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
If you're "not sure why all this purging is going on" then you should click on the "It was decided" Wikilink at the top of Ghostexorcist's first posting here. I don't see how the Sesame Street thing being multiple appearances can make it any more "legitimate" than P&B or Brady, the removals of which you concede. I haven't seen the Seinfeld "films" (and have to doubt that all that many people have), but a live-action Jerry and a cel-animated Superman voiced by Seinfeld ensemble member Patrick Warburton doesn't sound too "legitimate" to me. Besides, the commercials dominated that entry here. I was going along with all those things when I first found this article, but Ghostexorcist said otherwise and convinced me. There is a big difference between being licensed & authorized and being legitimate. I submit thoat those Hostess ads of the 70s and 80s featuring various DC and Marvel heroes are the first but definitely not the second. -- Ted Watson ( talk) 21:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Like I said, a separate section listing those non-straight-adaptation items would be fine with me, but the current (and easily revised) phrasing of the introductory text doesn't offset what the primary purpose of such an article obviously should be. It just happens that this property bears the name of its lead character, and that doesn't carry an article to base semantics on, like (The) Spectre, which inspired a dispute on its talk page that was aborted by a lack of good faith debate early last year. -- Ted Watson ( talk) 21:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
In the Pinky and the Brain episode, Kal-El is a major player—the premise here is that P & B happen to get to the crashed spaceship ahead of Mr. and Mrs. Kent and, detecting his powers (some of them, anyway) take the baby to ACME Labs. There the Brain begins to raise the child, intending to use him to attain world domination (what else?). However, the baby soon breaks out and makes his way back to the ship, where the Kents do find him, and "history" continues as we know it, with the two mice returning to the lab "to prepare for tomorrow night." Cue standard closing lines and theme reprise. It's as if the leads here have stumbled into the DC Universe. So it's not "a quick appearance (like a joke)" but the story is played for laughs. I'm not sure how you'd stand on that one (The Brady Kids episode is the same idea, with played-straight Clark Kent/Superman a major guest star). But what about the Superpup pilot, which used the same newspaper office sets as the George Reeves/Superman series? -- Ted Watson ( talk) 21:10, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I definitely agree that skits (particularly since they are by their very nature unauthroized) do not belong in the main section. This page used to have a *very* long (and unsourced) list of "parodies", which would (and did) include skits. If it were *ever* to make a comeback, it would need to be under strict rules to include only those items that were notable enough in-and-of-themselves to receive mention in secondary sources. But I'm good without it. Rhindle The Red ( talk) 03:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
A recent addition brought to my attention that the literature section needs work. It only lists two items, neither of which would be included based on the criteria we have been discussing. Anyone got lists of novels and the like that could go there? Rhindle The Red ( talk) 03:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
What does everyone think about that infobox that was recently added? I feel it is unnecessary and duplicates too much of the function of the navigation box and the article itself to be of use. Comments? Rhindle The Red ( talk) 03:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Someone has added a list of songs that refer to Superman. This needs to be trimmed down to *only* songs directly about Superman if it is to remain. We've been through this before and lists of this kind need to be kept under control. I can't remember why the original song section was removed, but this is not the way to bring it back. Rhindle The Red ( talk) 14:13, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
The entry for Ray Middleton has a year range of 1940 - 1944. Does anyone have a citation for him appearing as Superman after 1940 ? If not, then I think it should just say 1940. RJ4 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:36, 20 June 2009 (UTC).
We need to keep these lists from getting out of control. The songs used to have their own page and were only returned here when it was decided to pare it down. Similarly, as with movies and television appearances, only authorized productions are to be included. Rhindle The Red ( talk) 03:49, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Why does " Superman parodies and homages" redirect here, if the article doesn't talk about parodies and homages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.71.5.173 ( talk) 11:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Why no mention of the aborted "Superman Lives" with Nicolas Cage? The article does mention a pitch for "Red Son" as a canceled live-action film. The Cage film actually began pre-production, as I understand it. Elsquared67 ( talk) 06:46, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
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Recently, Warner Bros. has released the first photo of Henry Cavill in the new film "Man of steel". I Suggest this photo be taken and added to the group of actors who have portrayed Superman located in the begining of the infobox
Shouldn't there be a "video game references" section too? Because I think it should be noted that there was a reference to Superman in the game "Super DragonBall Z". Dark Rain
With the focus of this article mostly being on movies, television, etc., should the name be changed to Superman in popular media? This would bring it in line with Batman in popular media. Rhindle The Red 19:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
There was a superman in every seinfeld episode. 70.111.251.203 03:07, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
The DC Talk 'superman' lyric doesn't refer to Supes--it referrs to Neitzche(sp)'s Ubermensch (roughly translated as 'superman').
The article says it featured "George Reeves as Superman". This isn't exactly right. George Reeves played himself, the actor. In the episode he appeared in his Superman costume because he was playing George Reeves is a superman costume (Lucy and Ricky knew a lot of hollywood types). No powers or hokus pokus happened. Just wanted to post this here before changing the article itself.-- Daniel 14:31, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
This posting so clearly fails to be the least bit fair with anything that I said that it is obviously a waste of time to discuss this with you further. Just understand that any attempt to remove that from the list will be reverted. -- Tbrittreid ( talk) 19:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm thinking about restructuring the 'portrayal" sections again. I think maybe "Live Action", "Animation", "Audio", "Video Games", & "Live appearances". Then, subsections like "Film", "Television" (and maybe "Straight to Video") under both "Live Action" and "Animation". I also think the two other significant sections (parodies and homages) are too confusing and probably need some structure as well. Rhindle The Red 15:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking of adding more pictures of various Superman portrayals, including a few in the "Parodies" section. What does everyone think? Are there too many right now, just the right number or would more be beneficial? Rhindle The Red 12:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to guage interest in this "Curse" section and keep the discussion open. Does this stuff fit in here? The argument has been made that newspaper articles are a part of popular culture, but I'm not so sure. Does anyone have any ideas? Rhindle The Red 12:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Tag says it's been suggested that we move the parody section---
I disagree.
I think the parodies are what makes it "Superman in Popular Culture"
What we should move is the "Portrayals" section. The Portrayals and Homages together make this article quite long and perhaps a but clumsy. But the Homages are, in essence, Pop culture, whereas the Portrayals could neatly fit into a "Superman in Media" headline. QotC 02:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Would it be possible to replace the current image of Tom Welling with a different promotional shot of him in his blue t-shirt and red jacket? I personally feel that would give that particular image selection a more Superman-esque vibe. I for one don't have such an image, but if anyone could track one down, that would be... super. -- 156.34.65.69 20:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure Tom Welling should be showed as depicting "Superman" per se. He has protrayed Clark Kent for 7 seasons now, but he's yet to be "Superman." Anyone else have thoughts on this? Minion56 ( talk) 02:26, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Now that the size and scope of this article has been vastly reduced to a more manageable level, should it be brough back into this article or does it still stand on its own? Rhindle The Red 12:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
This area is somewhat bloated with a lot of incidental items of little consequence. Unless someone objects, I will be going through these and removing any that lack substance. Rhindle The Red 03:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Isn't the song Kryptonite from 2000 and not 2002? JamesEG ( talk) 03:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
There's a conversation at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Superman in popular culture about how to improve this article. Please join in. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 06:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
OK, I removed the other section, but some of it may be appropriate for this article if sources can be found. Here's what I removed that we may want to re-add.
Here is the Superman catchphrases section. Could be useful for some page, although it needs cites. These are some lines that have become synonymous with Superman: volume & issue needed
- Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 18:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
References
Do you really think we should be including joke appearances such as Tiny Toons, Pinky and the Brain, Histeria!, The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.64.213 ( talk) 23:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
In the sub-section Radio & other audio there is one entry:
The first problem is that the Wikilink of the title goes to a disambig page, with no directly relevant entry. This, however, may be because what we are actually dealing with is probably the original cast album of the Broadway musical It's a Bird...It's a Plane...It's Superman (Holiday did play the title role there, and the album's cover is the infobox image for the play's Wiki-article). Can anybody verify one way or another what this is? And assuming that this is the OCA, should it actually be listed here, or merely mentioned as an adjunct to the play in the "Theater..." section? It is, after all, not a separate production in and of itself. -- Ted Watson ( talk) 19:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
While doing the work I just did to this article, including dealing with Rhindle the Red's concern about live-action vs. animation/film vs. TV, I noticed some things. There are variant company credits for the modern-era (1990s on) animation productions. Superman (1996 on), Batman Beyond, Justice League (Unlimited), Legion of Super Heroes and The Batman are attributed to "Warner Bros." Direct-to-video features Superman: Doomsday and Justice League: The New Frontier are labelled "by DC Comics." The other seven productions have no such credit at all. However, I'm be very surprised if all of them, with the very possible exception of the American Express/Jerry Seinfield commercials, shouldn't be credited to Warner Bros. Animation. I know for a fact that Pinky and the Brain, Histeria! and The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries bear that sub-company's logo. As the Tiny Toon Adventures series does, that spin-off feature surely does as well. As there is no doubt we should be consistent, the question is, should we put this on all (save the commercials) or just remove the others that are already there?
Something else I did was to add a note that the actor voicing the hero in the Brady Kids episode is unknown, as several other comparable one-shot appearances of the character do have their respective actors identified, but I couldn't find any note on any website about that series dealing with guest actors. However, I have subsequently noticed other similar uses of Superman where the actor is not listed. I am going to do some checking on them, but pending those results, I am quite open to taking that note off. I'm off to do that. -- Ted Watson ( talk) 21:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Ah! We do agree that they are on the same level, then. Good. Thanks. -- Ted Watson ( talk) 20:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
If you're "not sure why all this purging is going on" then you should click on the "It was decided" Wikilink at the top of Ghostexorcist's first posting here. I don't see how the Sesame Street thing being multiple appearances can make it any more "legitimate" than P&B or Brady, the removals of which you concede. I haven't seen the Seinfeld "films" (and have to doubt that all that many people have), but a live-action Jerry and a cel-animated Superman voiced by Seinfeld ensemble member Patrick Warburton doesn't sound too "legitimate" to me. Besides, the commercials dominated that entry here. I was going along with all those things when I first found this article, but Ghostexorcist said otherwise and convinced me. There is a big difference between being licensed & authorized and being legitimate. I submit thoat those Hostess ads of the 70s and 80s featuring various DC and Marvel heroes are the first but definitely not the second. -- Ted Watson ( talk) 21:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Like I said, a separate section listing those non-straight-adaptation items would be fine with me, but the current (and easily revised) phrasing of the introductory text doesn't offset what the primary purpose of such an article obviously should be. It just happens that this property bears the name of its lead character, and that doesn't carry an article to base semantics on, like (The) Spectre, which inspired a dispute on its talk page that was aborted by a lack of good faith debate early last year. -- Ted Watson ( talk) 21:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
In the Pinky and the Brain episode, Kal-El is a major player—the premise here is that P & B happen to get to the crashed spaceship ahead of Mr. and Mrs. Kent and, detecting his powers (some of them, anyway) take the baby to ACME Labs. There the Brain begins to raise the child, intending to use him to attain world domination (what else?). However, the baby soon breaks out and makes his way back to the ship, where the Kents do find him, and "history" continues as we know it, with the two mice returning to the lab "to prepare for tomorrow night." Cue standard closing lines and theme reprise. It's as if the leads here have stumbled into the DC Universe. So it's not "a quick appearance (like a joke)" but the story is played for laughs. I'm not sure how you'd stand on that one (The Brady Kids episode is the same idea, with played-straight Clark Kent/Superman a major guest star). But what about the Superpup pilot, which used the same newspaper office sets as the George Reeves/Superman series? -- Ted Watson ( talk) 21:10, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I definitely agree that skits (particularly since they are by their very nature unauthroized) do not belong in the main section. This page used to have a *very* long (and unsourced) list of "parodies", which would (and did) include skits. If it were *ever* to make a comeback, it would need to be under strict rules to include only those items that were notable enough in-and-of-themselves to receive mention in secondary sources. But I'm good without it. Rhindle The Red ( talk) 03:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
A recent addition brought to my attention that the literature section needs work. It only lists two items, neither of which would be included based on the criteria we have been discussing. Anyone got lists of novels and the like that could go there? Rhindle The Red ( talk) 03:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
What does everyone think about that infobox that was recently added? I feel it is unnecessary and duplicates too much of the function of the navigation box and the article itself to be of use. Comments? Rhindle The Red ( talk) 03:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Someone has added a list of songs that refer to Superman. This needs to be trimmed down to *only* songs directly about Superman if it is to remain. We've been through this before and lists of this kind need to be kept under control. I can't remember why the original song section was removed, but this is not the way to bring it back. Rhindle The Red ( talk) 14:13, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
The entry for Ray Middleton has a year range of 1940 - 1944. Does anyone have a citation for him appearing as Superman after 1940 ? If not, then I think it should just say 1940. RJ4 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:36, 20 June 2009 (UTC).
We need to keep these lists from getting out of control. The songs used to have their own page and were only returned here when it was decided to pare it down. Similarly, as with movies and television appearances, only authorized productions are to be included. Rhindle The Red ( talk) 03:49, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Why does " Superman parodies and homages" redirect here, if the article doesn't talk about parodies and homages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.71.5.173 ( talk) 11:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Why no mention of the aborted "Superman Lives" with Nicolas Cage? The article does mention a pitch for "Red Son" as a canceled live-action film. The Cage film actually began pre-production, as I understand it. Elsquared67 ( talk) 06:46, 29 December 2023 (UTC)