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It currently says "template 7 next to Mewtwo under his inclusion in Brawl rather than "?" could a user fix it
Done, but in the future please start discussion at the bottom of the talk page and sign your posts with "~~~~"→ 041744 08:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
this page says says Yoshi is from the mario series, yet in both smash bros he has his own symbol (egg) that symbolizes yoshi series. is this going to be fixed? Mr.Jelly 8:32, 17 May 2007
Which games do you think should be listed for Link's debut? I think LOZ for Young Link and Zelda II for adult, since Link was an adult like he is in Super Smash Bros in Zelda II, but still a child in LOZ. Takuthehedgehog 11:57, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to remove that link, as a fan site known for being of notoriously poor quality and consists of 99% speculation of SSBB (and doesn't mention the other games in the series) does not belong here. Xubelox 23:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Currently, it says the first game the characters appeared in, yet it says "Mario from Donkey Kong". I sounds like Mario was only from one game (Donkey Kong). I think It should say "Mario from the Mario Series", or at least, "Mario (debued in Donkey Kong). This goes for all other characters too. What are your thoughts? -- Shadow2 18:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
If I'm not mistaken, wikipedia is a website for displaying facts, not frivilous rumors, especially when no reliable sources for information(like www.smashbros) have been displayed. The rumor, however, is from a very dubious source, a 1up article leading to an even more dubious French site.
If no visible evidence, like a screenshot of those characters fighting, has them appearing; the information should be changed or disputed.
EDIT: Sorry for informing you people, the character part has already been changed
http://www.livewii.fr/news/9350/Des-nouvelles-tetes-pour-Super-Smash-Bros-Brawl.html http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151290
(sigh) When will these people learn? It's a hoax. Unless Sakurai announces it himself, it's not true. I doubt an unreliable news source and a FAN VIDEO on Youtube is proof. It's only proof if it's listed on the official website. So we'll have to wait until the release or "if anything noteworthy comes out". Shadoman 14:46, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
The non-playable fighters table needs several fixes. I propose that Giant Donkey Kong be removed (he is hardly a special character - large versions of nearly all of the characters are fought in the single-player modes and it's just a permanent version of the mushroom power-up). Also, Sandbag is not a fighter. Unless we include an "other characters" section he should probably be removed. The existences of Metal Mario and Dark Link can be tolerated as a reference to the N64 game and prominent characters in adventure mode, but they're questionable.
People on the NSider Smash boards are having fun constantly vandalizing this page so that they can say "SO AND SO IS CONFIRMED!" or to prove that anyone can edit wikipedia by adding bogus info. Until this dies down, I suggest protection. 199.126.137.209 00:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I've seen this forum linked over and over again on all of the Smash Bros. related articles. This forum has a whopping 19 members, and I'm pretty sure that puts it in the unnotable department. So if anyone sees the forum linked on any of the SSB related pages, do your best and delete it. Paji out ^_^ Comrade Pajitnov 22:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Dark Link is merely a palette swap of Link, with all the same attacks and all. I don't think its required to put him in the NPC sections.What do you think? Aramjm 15:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, thanks Axem Aramjm 20:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Is it possible to play as the polygons via a GameShark? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mathsexpressions ( talk • contribs) 19:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC).
Perfectly possible. Sign your comments please Aramjm 20:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I added some info to Giga Bowser's part of the article a few days ago, and you guys deleted it all without giving a reason. I saw info on the attacks and stuff like that for the 2 hands, so why can't Giga Bowser have similar information? Plus, his REAL size is just about the same as Regular Bowser at twice normal size. Giga Bowser was the right size inadventure mode, but was made bigger than normal in Event Match 51... I did the comparison by using my Action Replay to put a half sized Giga Bowser, next to a normal size Regular Bowser, and they were just about THE EXACT SAME SIZE! All the other info on attacks I added was also researched using my Action Replay... I'd like it if you guys KEPT this info. And if you do decide to delete it, then you may as well delete the attack info on the other NPCs as well, because they all have Attack info, yet Giga Bowser didn't... Joe EchidnaFox 18:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Why Haven't they added that Giga Bowser is in Brawl? He is the final smash form of Bowser!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.153.26.208 ( talk • contribs)
Giga Bowser has been confirmed to be playable in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, as Bowser's transformation, when Bowser performs his "Final Smash" attack. Bowser becomes much larger, but transforms back after a short time. [3] However a full non-playable-character version of Giga Bowser has not been confirmed for Brawl. Dengarde 00:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
We can't put information in without sources, and I never saw anything about Daisy in Brawl. Depressio
I sort of doubt it. They'll probably make her not an alternate costume of Princess Peach. Oubliette 03:19, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
What attacks could she have? Only the same as Peach.
Some videoes put on the official website say that Yoshi's Island is an arena in SSB:B. Surely this means Yoshi's in it? - Davros27
Why not put a check for Yoshi in Brawl if he is an obvious character to return in Brawl?
Let me say this once,YOSHI IS NOT OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED!!!!, until the OFFICIAL website DIRECTLY states he is, DON'T ADD HIM!- 041744 05:37, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I aplhabatized this section a long time ago, but some people have changed it back. I guess they're trying to make it conform with the preceding section on NPCs, but I think it should be alphabatized to conform with the Characters table. What does everyone else think? Comrade Pajitnov 22:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Alphabetizing would help, as it would be easier to find a character if done. Aramjm 20:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
There's no credible evidence for a DS game in the works, and the source included in the article doesn't support its claim. It merely says that a DS game "is not currently in the works, but is certain in the future" or something to that effect.
This looks like fan speculation and nothing more... 66.178.141.175 23:06, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
#111-120: Sakurai is thanking this guy for sending him an email from Korea (I guess no American sent a Japanese email). And Sakurai also says that there is no helping dreaming about a DS version of SSBB, but right now people should look forward to the Wii version that they are working so hard on.
Sounds like he doesn’t want to say for sure that there won’t eventually be a DS version…
She isn't a standalone character, as we all know, and is playable through in-game means, and thus is the same character. - Chao9999 07:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I have been putting unclockable icons that look like this
in the place of the
checks on the character list to indicate charaters that appear but must be unlocked to be played. However, someone has disagreed with me and changed it back. In order to prevent an edit war, I'd like the consensus of editors here. Should the unlockable characters be specially indicated with a
or should they just keep the
? Here's what it'd look like:
Creationlaw 22:44, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
So Do we add it? no one's voted in 14 days the ballot is
So when does the vote end?→ 041744 00:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
As there's no consensus for this proposal, I've changed the table to the better consented counterproposal.
I've updated the table with what I proposed to give a better idea. I've also standardised the width of the three game's columns, to space it out a bit more (likes neater in my opinion). Though I do like what The Light6 has done with the table, and wouldn't mind it being kept in that format, with the superscripted note numbers. - masa ♫ 11:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Any particular reason MM isn't included on the NPC list? His icon is a modified mushroom, not the standard one, he was a sub boss in the first game, and is a big part of the series. If anything he is an NPC clone character which should get noticed in the NPC section. - Unsigned.
Metal Mario is not a NPC created from scratch. It's mearly a adaption of regular Mario. This is also the reason Metal Luigi and Dark Link are not on the list.-- 041744 00:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
MM is not palette swapped, but is a near exact replica of Mario, but is metal. However, I would still like the NPCs in a different article. 75.46.224.173 01:49, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Since when were Master Hand and Crazy Hand confirmed for Brawl??? They weren't in either video for Brawl, nor where they in any of the daily updates, as well as any interviews. So Ha! 68.195.110.145 15:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I reverted another one of those. Its more annoying than lame. 71.144.80.223 01:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Some people think that some characters are obviously in Brawl(Yoshi for example)so they think they should put a check under the character's Brawl colomn.
Just wondering, with the advent of the creation of assist trophies, which seem to be other game versions of the already published pokéball, shouldn't it gain a place as a NPC? I mean, Pikachu is a pokémon and same goes for Chikorita but Chikorita can't be played. Same goes with the Koopas like Koopa Troopa, Paratroopa and Hammer who also play roles in the series. Or the likes of ReDeads, Topis, Goombas, Samurai Goroh and etc...they're all PCs or NPCs in their own games but not in Smash. Aren't they considered NPCs too? And unlike Metal Mario and Dark Link, they're unique. These items also act like a real character with one move, some could even be knocked off stage like Charmander, Chansey, Goomba and Octoroks. Just wondering though. If there's too much, couldn't it have it's own page? deecee 07:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Assist trophies are items introduced in Super Smash Bros. Brawl that call on a variety of non-playable characters to assist the players who activate them. These characters inlcude:
Yeah, the intro text is kinda rough, but otherwise what do you think?
-- Autumn Forrester 12:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I feel quite guilty for adding the Assist Trophy section. I just thought I was being helpful to avoid people putting Dr. Wright as a playable character. Maybe there should be a seperate page for summonable characters like Pokéball's and Assist Trophies? -- Gaiash 17:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Added Bowser to playable in Brawl. DivineShadow218 07:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
It was then reversed (edit: and now it's back). Bowser is now included in the Characters page, http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/index.html , unlike an item player like Samurai Goro. BTerran 07:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I didn't know Ice Climbers were confirmed for Brawl and G & W confirmed to be taken out. Anyone have a source? Tinkleheimer 19:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I was just making sure. IC was confirmed in the list and GW was taken out. Tinkleheimer 00:09, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Should Giga Bowser have a meantion in both the playable character list and the non-playable character list, since in Brawl he is infact a playable character as opposed to in Melee? Also to support this I mention the fact that Sheik is only a transformation of Zelda but gets a mention same with Zero Suit Samus which is asumed but not confirmed to be the result of a "Final Smash" Attack like Giga Bowser. The Light6 09:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, but shouldn't Giga Bowser at least be mentioned in the non-playable character list? Wait, maybe not, because he IS playable, but not a character. Guys, what you need to do is add a new table of the Smash attacks, that would have avoided this whole argument.
Even in Super Smash Bros. Melee he was fully playable, just not selectable. His moveset is identical to that of bowser, but much more powerful. It is quite easily assumed that this will be the case in Brawl. Through the use of cheat devices, one can play as Giga Bowser in Melee & through the use of in-game items one can, again, play as Giga Bowser in Brawl. The term 'playable character' seems relevant to a character that can be played in both games, but only by normal methods in one.
Because Bowser is undergoing a transformation, (Transformation being a new appearence, new stats, etc) technically Giga Bowser is a playable character. Not in the sense that it's permanent, but you still are playing as him. (That character information being accessed the same way Shiek's was when transformed from Zelda and vice-versa) On top of that, the character "Giga Bowser" (That, you should understand, being different from bowser) has different parameters and properties to moves: everyone should remember that GB's Down-Smash had an Ice property, (chance for freeze) He had an explosive headbutt with enhanced knockback, as opposed to an ordinary one; his punch had a darkness property, and his Up-Smash had an electric property. I would easily agree that, with the inclusion of the possibility for Bowser to become Giga Bowser, Giga Bowser is indeed a playable character. -- M.K. 06:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't know how relevant this is, but has anyone else noticed how Samurai Goroh's name is spelled "Samurai Goro" (no "h" at the end) on the Smash Bros. website? - Saturn Yoshi THE VOICES 18:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
But I have a request for someone to update this article...I see that in the "Non playable characters" list, it shows that Giga Bowser is still unknown for brawl. However, I can't blame them as the Super Smash Bros DOJO website just anounced giga bowser as a playabe character on the day I am writing this, which is July 4th.
Just wanted to tell anyone with edit powers to this article to update this area and not only change it from a ? to a check mark, but to make a note that giga bowser will be playable in Super Smash bros brawl. (PS: Giga Bowser will not be listed in the main roster, rather, the result of when regular bowser grabs a smash ball. See the site if this is too confusing)
The grid is for Nonplayable characters. A partly playable giga Bowser is available, but it is not an NPC. until a full NPC G-bowser is confirmed, we're going to change it to a check. Right now, a full NPC is not confirmed. Aramjm
So why aren't Metal Mario Bros. and Giant Donkey Kong listed in the NPCs section? Does this mean Giga Bowser should be removed from that list now too since he became playable in a later game just like them? Also on a different note, why isn't Shadow Link listed as an NPC? 76.50.128.75 07:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
The fighting polygons and wire frames are modifided clones of characters in SSB/SSBM. So is Giga Bowser. Their appearance is just more different than the ones you think are not worth noting. 76.50.128.75 04:54, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Should I leave a notice similar to Yoshi's regarding Captin Falcon's presence in Brawl?I suspect some people may mess with the table and put a check in his Brawl column because of Samurai Goroh's inclusion as an assist trophy.—Preceding unsigned comment added by DerekDD92 ( talk • contribs)
Alright then-- DerekDD92 23:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Can someone get a mod or someone to lock it so no new users can edit it cause it was getting Exam photos all day.
If you go to SSb Dojo,it shows giga bowser playable as bowser's smash attack in ssbb,but they said ? in the article...—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.217.142 ( talk • contribs)
Giga Bowser is not officially playable; He's part of Bowser's Final Smash. If we do include it, we may as well put Volt Tackle Pikachu on the list. Aramjm 00:34, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
[Indent Reset] How many times can anyone say this...Giga Bowser is not a playable character. However, the character becomes temporarily playable. The character SHOULD NOT BE LISTED because you won't be able to chose the character before entering the stage. And it takes a Smash Ball item to engage it. If we were to list Giga Bowser, then the Assist Trophy characters and Pokeball characters should be included in the list of NPCs. -- Son 14:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Please tell me, how the heck does them not being choosable on the character screen make them not a PC? Just use logic please, if he is playable (without the use of cheats) then that makes him a playable character! Although it's not to do with this, I think that every pokemon and assist trophy sould be listed as an NPC, because, they're NPCs from the Super Smash games, they deserve to be here. Though I know that'd be one very very big list, so I agree with the current NPC list that only has notable NPCs.-- TailsClock 14:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Fine, i'll let you have it your way. But you are wrong, for Giga Bowser is a playable character no matter what reasoning you use. He is playable, it says so on the site, there is no sense in saying he should not be on the playable character's list. Why does he have to be chooseable? Unless you change the list to "choosable from the character select screen characters", Giga Bowser needs to be in it for it to be factualy correct. And the fact he is playable without the use of cheats means it's impossible for him to also be an NPC (non-player character). Also Metal Mario isn't a different character to Mario, so don't use him on any Giga Bowser arguments -- TailsClock 17:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
[Indent reset] He could be an NPC in a different mode of the game. For example, Giga Bowser is Bowser's final smash. But Giga Bowser could also be the NPC you play at the end of single player mode. The fact is is that we don't know whether Giga Bowser will be in the rest of the game, so we can't say one way or the other whether or not Giga Bowser will be a NPC. Giga Bowswer as it stands is only a temporary, short-lived playable character as part of the final smash. As far as I'm concerned, because it requires an item to occur, it is not deserving a spot on the playable characters list. Again, it's like saying that Mario's final smash is a character. It takes the SAME item to do the final smash. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that. -- Son 19:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Dr. Wright is confirmed, and has a nifty erupting skyscraper move, but notice that he is classified on SSBDojo as an ITEM, not a playable character, so don't get excited and stick him in the main cast list. Rglong 07:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Dr. Wright = Assist Trophy Not Playable Character. Just to help clarify :). Tinkleheimer 08:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
While Watching E3 on G4, I noticed something in the E3 news banner on the bottom of the screen: " Remember Dr. Wright from the original SNES SimCity?" That part I remember, but this part not so much, "Well, he's returning in Super Smash Bros. Brawl," or something like that. FrogTape 02:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Please don't add Donkey Kong just because he is in this video does not mean he is in the game. He may still be taken out of the roaster or something else could happen to him, anyway please don't add him till he's on the official website.→ 041744 21:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking that'll probably be tomorrow. Besides, with the game coming out in only a few months, I'm doubting they would make such a drastic change as that. But you're right, he's not technically, dare I say it, confirmed. Eugh, that felt weird. 68.195.110.145 21:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I think adding lists of nintendo characters appearing in Items would be a good idea, after all, pokemon ARE nintendo characters as well as Samurai Goroh, Dr. Wright, the hammer Bros., etc According to wikipedia standars, they are full-right NPCs and well known Nintendo characters, separate lists would end the debate. Yaddar 00:47, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
1) Sign your posts. 2) New topics to at the BOTTOM of the page. 3) The list is WAY too long for us to do that. Dengarde 00:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
A side note could be added to indicate that Princess Daisy and Blood Falcon (specially him) are playable as Peach and Falcon's alternate costumes..., they both ARE nintendo characters (Blood Falcon is a clone of Cap. Falcon, he owns his own F-Zero machine)
They don't need to be in any list, but they can be mentioned on a side note, what do you say (specially in Blood Falcon's Case) Yaddar 00:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Why should we include alternative costumes, there just painted over an actual character, there very trivial, and they are aren't even playable (as I said before, their just painted over an actual character). So I ask again, Why should we include alternative costume notes?→ 041744 23:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I know I'm late to the discussion, but I still think Metal Mario is important enough to warrant his name on the NPC list. Reasons: he was his own character in the first game, not a condition caused by an item. He was a boss you always had to fight, and he even has his own stage based on the area in Mario 64 where the metal cap is found. In the first game he isn't playable unless you use a cheat device.
He plays a similar role to Giga Bowser - unplayable boss, then playable in a future release. And don't go saying "oh he's just the same as Mario but a clone" because plenty of the playable characters are clones too, like Dr. Mario. Rglong 15:37, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I hate to say the same thing twice, but as I said before, Metal Mario is not a NPC created from scratch, he's mearly a adaption of regular Mario. This is also the reason Metal Luigi and Dark Link are not on the list. This has been disscussed before, Twice even.→ 041744 00:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
No, I'm sorry but you're absolutely wrong, Metal Mario doesn't in any way have the same stats and appearance as Mario. In the first game he moves and falls completely differently than any other character, because he feels like lead. He gets pummeled to beyond 300% before getting smashed off. His movements are abrupt and he falls hard and fast. Just like Dr. Mario, he differs in appearance and stats. I still don't see the logic in this at all. Additionally, I don't see how that ridiculous "sandbag" makes it as a NPC when it's just an item you can kick around. Rglong 07:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Sandbag is a NPC because it has a smash symbol and health also hacking the game has revealed that it is possible to play as it and even move it, however because of its role in the game does not require moves it has no programmed move set. So using "sandbag is a ridiculous NPC so Metal Mario should also be added" is a bad reason. The Light6 09:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
What's with giga bowser having a ? for the new game when it even says on here that he's going to be in the in the later in here?
Should Animal Crossing be mentioned at all in this article? I mean, the Animal Crossing stage, and the symbol, which normally indicates a character.
You can see almost all animal crossing characters in the stage. Besides who would be a playable character anyway? The Wii Guy 20:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Mr. Resetti is the most speculated. But no, I don't think it deserves a mention just yet... Dengarde 21:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
He'll have been established as the series' main villain, and a recurring character, with three starring roles and a cameo in KATAM. The other NPCs can stay here, but MH should get an article of his own once he's confirmed for Brawl. Agreed? RememberMe? 03:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I think that Zero Suit Samus should now be taken off the Playable Characters List because it is found out that she is actually the result of a Final Smash. Actually on second thought I think she should stay on the list.
Taken Off - It is the result of the Final Smash. Stay On - She is still playable even after the Smash Attack, not temporary like Giga Bowser.
This is a tough decision for me. Tinkleheimer 07:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
We'll have to see how it works out in the game. It might be like Sheik to Zelda, like how she has her own trophy and ending and such. Or it might just say Samus. Depressio 07:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Stay On - She is still playable even after the Smash Attack, not temporary like Giga Bowser.
She will be playable as a new character, AND she was announced as a newcomer Yaddar 07:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Will this change if Zero-Suit Samus reverting to Power Suit Samus is possible? In the same match, I meant. 75.47.201.224 07:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Zero Suit Samus has her own separate moveset from regular Samus, just like Sheik has a different moveset from Zelda. It'd make more sense to keep her on the list. Disaster Kirby 07:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree. Zero Suit Samus is a completely different character that is just accessed through another character. She should stay on the list. Depressio 07:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Stay On - She is still a playable character, also on Yaddar saying she was announced as a newcomer well the same was for Giga Bowser on the offical site. The Light6 08:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Stay on - ZSS is a side effect of Samus's Final Smash; Giga Bowser is the Final Smash. I believe ZSS should be on the list and not Giga Bowser. --HeroicJay at work 22:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Stay on - Zero Suit Samus and Giga Bowser are two completely separate cases. Zero Suit on, Giga off. - Sukecchi 23:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Stay on - seems that Nintendo confirming the characters with separate profiles lends a lot of credibility, and Zero Suit Samus has been given a separate "newcomer" profile since the beginning, culminating in her profile being added to the Dojo today. Rglong 07:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Zero Suit Samus is the result of Samus Aran's Final Smash, the Zero Laser. As posted on the official website. So I guess all that "speculation" turned out to be true after all... - Saturn Yoshi THE VOICES 07:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I believe the picture representing the NPC Giga Bowser should be a picture of him as a Non Playable Character. Showing him in playable form is misleading. A picture of the playable GB is already seen here. The original GB trophy picture was probably the best (most of the other NPC pics are of trophies). -- 147.226.44.186 15:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
That section talks about Giga Bowser in general, not just his nonplayable. At the bottom of the article, it even mentions him being playable in Brawl. It should stay. Depressio 17:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
But Giga Bowser already has a "sub" profile under the main Bowser article. If the "Non-playable characters" section of the page is really going to discuss NPC exclusively, then shouldn't Giga Bowser be shown as he is portrayed as a NPC? Any other discussion about the character as a NPC and a playable character would take place on the appropriate page. It only makes sense. -- 147.226.44.186 21:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
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It currently says "template 7 next to Mewtwo under his inclusion in Brawl rather than "?" could a user fix it
Done, but in the future please start discussion at the bottom of the talk page and sign your posts with "~~~~"→ 041744 08:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
this page says says Yoshi is from the mario series, yet in both smash bros he has his own symbol (egg) that symbolizes yoshi series. is this going to be fixed? Mr.Jelly 8:32, 17 May 2007
Which games do you think should be listed for Link's debut? I think LOZ for Young Link and Zelda II for adult, since Link was an adult like he is in Super Smash Bros in Zelda II, but still a child in LOZ. Takuthehedgehog 11:57, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to remove that link, as a fan site known for being of notoriously poor quality and consists of 99% speculation of SSBB (and doesn't mention the other games in the series) does not belong here. Xubelox 23:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Currently, it says the first game the characters appeared in, yet it says "Mario from Donkey Kong". I sounds like Mario was only from one game (Donkey Kong). I think It should say "Mario from the Mario Series", or at least, "Mario (debued in Donkey Kong). This goes for all other characters too. What are your thoughts? -- Shadow2 18:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
If I'm not mistaken, wikipedia is a website for displaying facts, not frivilous rumors, especially when no reliable sources for information(like www.smashbros) have been displayed. The rumor, however, is from a very dubious source, a 1up article leading to an even more dubious French site.
If no visible evidence, like a screenshot of those characters fighting, has them appearing; the information should be changed or disputed.
EDIT: Sorry for informing you people, the character part has already been changed
http://www.livewii.fr/news/9350/Des-nouvelles-tetes-pour-Super-Smash-Bros-Brawl.html http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151290
(sigh) When will these people learn? It's a hoax. Unless Sakurai announces it himself, it's not true. I doubt an unreliable news source and a FAN VIDEO on Youtube is proof. It's only proof if it's listed on the official website. So we'll have to wait until the release or "if anything noteworthy comes out". Shadoman 14:46, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
The non-playable fighters table needs several fixes. I propose that Giant Donkey Kong be removed (he is hardly a special character - large versions of nearly all of the characters are fought in the single-player modes and it's just a permanent version of the mushroom power-up). Also, Sandbag is not a fighter. Unless we include an "other characters" section he should probably be removed. The existences of Metal Mario and Dark Link can be tolerated as a reference to the N64 game and prominent characters in adventure mode, but they're questionable.
People on the NSider Smash boards are having fun constantly vandalizing this page so that they can say "SO AND SO IS CONFIRMED!" or to prove that anyone can edit wikipedia by adding bogus info. Until this dies down, I suggest protection. 199.126.137.209 00:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I've seen this forum linked over and over again on all of the Smash Bros. related articles. This forum has a whopping 19 members, and I'm pretty sure that puts it in the unnotable department. So if anyone sees the forum linked on any of the SSB related pages, do your best and delete it. Paji out ^_^ Comrade Pajitnov 22:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Dark Link is merely a palette swap of Link, with all the same attacks and all. I don't think its required to put him in the NPC sections.What do you think? Aramjm 15:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, thanks Axem Aramjm 20:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Is it possible to play as the polygons via a GameShark? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mathsexpressions ( talk • contribs) 19:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC).
Perfectly possible. Sign your comments please Aramjm 20:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I added some info to Giga Bowser's part of the article a few days ago, and you guys deleted it all without giving a reason. I saw info on the attacks and stuff like that for the 2 hands, so why can't Giga Bowser have similar information? Plus, his REAL size is just about the same as Regular Bowser at twice normal size. Giga Bowser was the right size inadventure mode, but was made bigger than normal in Event Match 51... I did the comparison by using my Action Replay to put a half sized Giga Bowser, next to a normal size Regular Bowser, and they were just about THE EXACT SAME SIZE! All the other info on attacks I added was also researched using my Action Replay... I'd like it if you guys KEPT this info. And if you do decide to delete it, then you may as well delete the attack info on the other NPCs as well, because they all have Attack info, yet Giga Bowser didn't... Joe EchidnaFox 18:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Why Haven't they added that Giga Bowser is in Brawl? He is the final smash form of Bowser!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.153.26.208 ( talk • contribs)
Giga Bowser has been confirmed to be playable in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, as Bowser's transformation, when Bowser performs his "Final Smash" attack. Bowser becomes much larger, but transforms back after a short time. [3] However a full non-playable-character version of Giga Bowser has not been confirmed for Brawl. Dengarde 00:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
We can't put information in without sources, and I never saw anything about Daisy in Brawl. Depressio
I sort of doubt it. They'll probably make her not an alternate costume of Princess Peach. Oubliette 03:19, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
What attacks could she have? Only the same as Peach.
Some videoes put on the official website say that Yoshi's Island is an arena in SSB:B. Surely this means Yoshi's in it? - Davros27
Why not put a check for Yoshi in Brawl if he is an obvious character to return in Brawl?
Let me say this once,YOSHI IS NOT OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED!!!!, until the OFFICIAL website DIRECTLY states he is, DON'T ADD HIM!- 041744 05:37, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I aplhabatized this section a long time ago, but some people have changed it back. I guess they're trying to make it conform with the preceding section on NPCs, but I think it should be alphabatized to conform with the Characters table. What does everyone else think? Comrade Pajitnov 22:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Alphabetizing would help, as it would be easier to find a character if done. Aramjm 20:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
There's no credible evidence for a DS game in the works, and the source included in the article doesn't support its claim. It merely says that a DS game "is not currently in the works, but is certain in the future" or something to that effect.
This looks like fan speculation and nothing more... 66.178.141.175 23:06, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
#111-120: Sakurai is thanking this guy for sending him an email from Korea (I guess no American sent a Japanese email). And Sakurai also says that there is no helping dreaming about a DS version of SSBB, but right now people should look forward to the Wii version that they are working so hard on.
Sounds like he doesn’t want to say for sure that there won’t eventually be a DS version…
She isn't a standalone character, as we all know, and is playable through in-game means, and thus is the same character. - Chao9999 07:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I have been putting unclockable icons that look like this
in the place of the
checks on the character list to indicate charaters that appear but must be unlocked to be played. However, someone has disagreed with me and changed it back. In order to prevent an edit war, I'd like the consensus of editors here. Should the unlockable characters be specially indicated with a
or should they just keep the
? Here's what it'd look like:
Creationlaw 22:44, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
So Do we add it? no one's voted in 14 days the ballot is
So when does the vote end?→ 041744 00:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
As there's no consensus for this proposal, I've changed the table to the better consented counterproposal.
I've updated the table with what I proposed to give a better idea. I've also standardised the width of the three game's columns, to space it out a bit more (likes neater in my opinion). Though I do like what The Light6 has done with the table, and wouldn't mind it being kept in that format, with the superscripted note numbers. - masa ♫ 11:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Any particular reason MM isn't included on the NPC list? His icon is a modified mushroom, not the standard one, he was a sub boss in the first game, and is a big part of the series. If anything he is an NPC clone character which should get noticed in the NPC section. - Unsigned.
Metal Mario is not a NPC created from scratch. It's mearly a adaption of regular Mario. This is also the reason Metal Luigi and Dark Link are not on the list.-- 041744 00:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
MM is not palette swapped, but is a near exact replica of Mario, but is metal. However, I would still like the NPCs in a different article. 75.46.224.173 01:49, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Since when were Master Hand and Crazy Hand confirmed for Brawl??? They weren't in either video for Brawl, nor where they in any of the daily updates, as well as any interviews. So Ha! 68.195.110.145 15:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I reverted another one of those. Its more annoying than lame. 71.144.80.223 01:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Some people think that some characters are obviously in Brawl(Yoshi for example)so they think they should put a check under the character's Brawl colomn.
Just wondering, with the advent of the creation of assist trophies, which seem to be other game versions of the already published pokéball, shouldn't it gain a place as a NPC? I mean, Pikachu is a pokémon and same goes for Chikorita but Chikorita can't be played. Same goes with the Koopas like Koopa Troopa, Paratroopa and Hammer who also play roles in the series. Or the likes of ReDeads, Topis, Goombas, Samurai Goroh and etc...they're all PCs or NPCs in their own games but not in Smash. Aren't they considered NPCs too? And unlike Metal Mario and Dark Link, they're unique. These items also act like a real character with one move, some could even be knocked off stage like Charmander, Chansey, Goomba and Octoroks. Just wondering though. If there's too much, couldn't it have it's own page? deecee 07:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Assist trophies are items introduced in Super Smash Bros. Brawl that call on a variety of non-playable characters to assist the players who activate them. These characters inlcude:
Yeah, the intro text is kinda rough, but otherwise what do you think?
-- Autumn Forrester 12:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I feel quite guilty for adding the Assist Trophy section. I just thought I was being helpful to avoid people putting Dr. Wright as a playable character. Maybe there should be a seperate page for summonable characters like Pokéball's and Assist Trophies? -- Gaiash 17:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Added Bowser to playable in Brawl. DivineShadow218 07:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
It was then reversed (edit: and now it's back). Bowser is now included in the Characters page, http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/index.html , unlike an item player like Samurai Goro. BTerran 07:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I didn't know Ice Climbers were confirmed for Brawl and G & W confirmed to be taken out. Anyone have a source? Tinkleheimer 19:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I was just making sure. IC was confirmed in the list and GW was taken out. Tinkleheimer 00:09, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Should Giga Bowser have a meantion in both the playable character list and the non-playable character list, since in Brawl he is infact a playable character as opposed to in Melee? Also to support this I mention the fact that Sheik is only a transformation of Zelda but gets a mention same with Zero Suit Samus which is asumed but not confirmed to be the result of a "Final Smash" Attack like Giga Bowser. The Light6 09:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, but shouldn't Giga Bowser at least be mentioned in the non-playable character list? Wait, maybe not, because he IS playable, but not a character. Guys, what you need to do is add a new table of the Smash attacks, that would have avoided this whole argument.
Even in Super Smash Bros. Melee he was fully playable, just not selectable. His moveset is identical to that of bowser, but much more powerful. It is quite easily assumed that this will be the case in Brawl. Through the use of cheat devices, one can play as Giga Bowser in Melee & through the use of in-game items one can, again, play as Giga Bowser in Brawl. The term 'playable character' seems relevant to a character that can be played in both games, but only by normal methods in one.
Because Bowser is undergoing a transformation, (Transformation being a new appearence, new stats, etc) technically Giga Bowser is a playable character. Not in the sense that it's permanent, but you still are playing as him. (That character information being accessed the same way Shiek's was when transformed from Zelda and vice-versa) On top of that, the character "Giga Bowser" (That, you should understand, being different from bowser) has different parameters and properties to moves: everyone should remember that GB's Down-Smash had an Ice property, (chance for freeze) He had an explosive headbutt with enhanced knockback, as opposed to an ordinary one; his punch had a darkness property, and his Up-Smash had an electric property. I would easily agree that, with the inclusion of the possibility for Bowser to become Giga Bowser, Giga Bowser is indeed a playable character. -- M.K. 06:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't know how relevant this is, but has anyone else noticed how Samurai Goroh's name is spelled "Samurai Goro" (no "h" at the end) on the Smash Bros. website? - Saturn Yoshi THE VOICES 18:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
But I have a request for someone to update this article...I see that in the "Non playable characters" list, it shows that Giga Bowser is still unknown for brawl. However, I can't blame them as the Super Smash Bros DOJO website just anounced giga bowser as a playabe character on the day I am writing this, which is July 4th.
Just wanted to tell anyone with edit powers to this article to update this area and not only change it from a ? to a check mark, but to make a note that giga bowser will be playable in Super Smash bros brawl. (PS: Giga Bowser will not be listed in the main roster, rather, the result of when regular bowser grabs a smash ball. See the site if this is too confusing)
The grid is for Nonplayable characters. A partly playable giga Bowser is available, but it is not an NPC. until a full NPC G-bowser is confirmed, we're going to change it to a check. Right now, a full NPC is not confirmed. Aramjm
So why aren't Metal Mario Bros. and Giant Donkey Kong listed in the NPCs section? Does this mean Giga Bowser should be removed from that list now too since he became playable in a later game just like them? Also on a different note, why isn't Shadow Link listed as an NPC? 76.50.128.75 07:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
The fighting polygons and wire frames are modifided clones of characters in SSB/SSBM. So is Giga Bowser. Their appearance is just more different than the ones you think are not worth noting. 76.50.128.75 04:54, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Should I leave a notice similar to Yoshi's regarding Captin Falcon's presence in Brawl?I suspect some people may mess with the table and put a check in his Brawl column because of Samurai Goroh's inclusion as an assist trophy.—Preceding unsigned comment added by DerekDD92 ( talk • contribs)
Alright then-- DerekDD92 23:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Can someone get a mod or someone to lock it so no new users can edit it cause it was getting Exam photos all day.
If you go to SSb Dojo,it shows giga bowser playable as bowser's smash attack in ssbb,but they said ? in the article...—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.217.142 ( talk • contribs)
Giga Bowser is not officially playable; He's part of Bowser's Final Smash. If we do include it, we may as well put Volt Tackle Pikachu on the list. Aramjm 00:34, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
[Indent Reset] How many times can anyone say this...Giga Bowser is not a playable character. However, the character becomes temporarily playable. The character SHOULD NOT BE LISTED because you won't be able to chose the character before entering the stage. And it takes a Smash Ball item to engage it. If we were to list Giga Bowser, then the Assist Trophy characters and Pokeball characters should be included in the list of NPCs. -- Son 14:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Please tell me, how the heck does them not being choosable on the character screen make them not a PC? Just use logic please, if he is playable (without the use of cheats) then that makes him a playable character! Although it's not to do with this, I think that every pokemon and assist trophy sould be listed as an NPC, because, they're NPCs from the Super Smash games, they deserve to be here. Though I know that'd be one very very big list, so I agree with the current NPC list that only has notable NPCs.-- TailsClock 14:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Fine, i'll let you have it your way. But you are wrong, for Giga Bowser is a playable character no matter what reasoning you use. He is playable, it says so on the site, there is no sense in saying he should not be on the playable character's list. Why does he have to be chooseable? Unless you change the list to "choosable from the character select screen characters", Giga Bowser needs to be in it for it to be factualy correct. And the fact he is playable without the use of cheats means it's impossible for him to also be an NPC (non-player character). Also Metal Mario isn't a different character to Mario, so don't use him on any Giga Bowser arguments -- TailsClock 17:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
[Indent reset] He could be an NPC in a different mode of the game. For example, Giga Bowser is Bowser's final smash. But Giga Bowser could also be the NPC you play at the end of single player mode. The fact is is that we don't know whether Giga Bowser will be in the rest of the game, so we can't say one way or the other whether or not Giga Bowser will be a NPC. Giga Bowswer as it stands is only a temporary, short-lived playable character as part of the final smash. As far as I'm concerned, because it requires an item to occur, it is not deserving a spot on the playable characters list. Again, it's like saying that Mario's final smash is a character. It takes the SAME item to do the final smash. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that. -- Son 19:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Dr. Wright is confirmed, and has a nifty erupting skyscraper move, but notice that he is classified on SSBDojo as an ITEM, not a playable character, so don't get excited and stick him in the main cast list. Rglong 07:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Dr. Wright = Assist Trophy Not Playable Character. Just to help clarify :). Tinkleheimer 08:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
While Watching E3 on G4, I noticed something in the E3 news banner on the bottom of the screen: " Remember Dr. Wright from the original SNES SimCity?" That part I remember, but this part not so much, "Well, he's returning in Super Smash Bros. Brawl," or something like that. FrogTape 02:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Please don't add Donkey Kong just because he is in this video does not mean he is in the game. He may still be taken out of the roaster or something else could happen to him, anyway please don't add him till he's on the official website.→ 041744 21:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking that'll probably be tomorrow. Besides, with the game coming out in only a few months, I'm doubting they would make such a drastic change as that. But you're right, he's not technically, dare I say it, confirmed. Eugh, that felt weird. 68.195.110.145 21:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I think adding lists of nintendo characters appearing in Items would be a good idea, after all, pokemon ARE nintendo characters as well as Samurai Goroh, Dr. Wright, the hammer Bros., etc According to wikipedia standars, they are full-right NPCs and well known Nintendo characters, separate lists would end the debate. Yaddar 00:47, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
1) Sign your posts. 2) New topics to at the BOTTOM of the page. 3) The list is WAY too long for us to do that. Dengarde 00:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
A side note could be added to indicate that Princess Daisy and Blood Falcon (specially him) are playable as Peach and Falcon's alternate costumes..., they both ARE nintendo characters (Blood Falcon is a clone of Cap. Falcon, he owns his own F-Zero machine)
They don't need to be in any list, but they can be mentioned on a side note, what do you say (specially in Blood Falcon's Case) Yaddar 00:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Why should we include alternative costumes, there just painted over an actual character, there very trivial, and they are aren't even playable (as I said before, their just painted over an actual character). So I ask again, Why should we include alternative costume notes?→ 041744 23:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I know I'm late to the discussion, but I still think Metal Mario is important enough to warrant his name on the NPC list. Reasons: he was his own character in the first game, not a condition caused by an item. He was a boss you always had to fight, and he even has his own stage based on the area in Mario 64 where the metal cap is found. In the first game he isn't playable unless you use a cheat device.
He plays a similar role to Giga Bowser - unplayable boss, then playable in a future release. And don't go saying "oh he's just the same as Mario but a clone" because plenty of the playable characters are clones too, like Dr. Mario. Rglong 15:37, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I hate to say the same thing twice, but as I said before, Metal Mario is not a NPC created from scratch, he's mearly a adaption of regular Mario. This is also the reason Metal Luigi and Dark Link are not on the list. This has been disscussed before, Twice even.→ 041744 00:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
No, I'm sorry but you're absolutely wrong, Metal Mario doesn't in any way have the same stats and appearance as Mario. In the first game he moves and falls completely differently than any other character, because he feels like lead. He gets pummeled to beyond 300% before getting smashed off. His movements are abrupt and he falls hard and fast. Just like Dr. Mario, he differs in appearance and stats. I still don't see the logic in this at all. Additionally, I don't see how that ridiculous "sandbag" makes it as a NPC when it's just an item you can kick around. Rglong 07:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Sandbag is a NPC because it has a smash symbol and health also hacking the game has revealed that it is possible to play as it and even move it, however because of its role in the game does not require moves it has no programmed move set. So using "sandbag is a ridiculous NPC so Metal Mario should also be added" is a bad reason. The Light6 09:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
What's with giga bowser having a ? for the new game when it even says on here that he's going to be in the in the later in here?
Should Animal Crossing be mentioned at all in this article? I mean, the Animal Crossing stage, and the symbol, which normally indicates a character.
You can see almost all animal crossing characters in the stage. Besides who would be a playable character anyway? The Wii Guy 20:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Mr. Resetti is the most speculated. But no, I don't think it deserves a mention just yet... Dengarde 21:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
He'll have been established as the series' main villain, and a recurring character, with three starring roles and a cameo in KATAM. The other NPCs can stay here, but MH should get an article of his own once he's confirmed for Brawl. Agreed? RememberMe? 03:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I think that Zero Suit Samus should now be taken off the Playable Characters List because it is found out that she is actually the result of a Final Smash. Actually on second thought I think she should stay on the list.
Taken Off - It is the result of the Final Smash. Stay On - She is still playable even after the Smash Attack, not temporary like Giga Bowser.
This is a tough decision for me. Tinkleheimer 07:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
We'll have to see how it works out in the game. It might be like Sheik to Zelda, like how she has her own trophy and ending and such. Or it might just say Samus. Depressio 07:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Stay On - She is still playable even after the Smash Attack, not temporary like Giga Bowser.
She will be playable as a new character, AND she was announced as a newcomer Yaddar 07:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Will this change if Zero-Suit Samus reverting to Power Suit Samus is possible? In the same match, I meant. 75.47.201.224 07:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Zero Suit Samus has her own separate moveset from regular Samus, just like Sheik has a different moveset from Zelda. It'd make more sense to keep her on the list. Disaster Kirby 07:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree. Zero Suit Samus is a completely different character that is just accessed through another character. She should stay on the list. Depressio 07:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Stay On - She is still a playable character, also on Yaddar saying she was announced as a newcomer well the same was for Giga Bowser on the offical site. The Light6 08:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Stay on - ZSS is a side effect of Samus's Final Smash; Giga Bowser is the Final Smash. I believe ZSS should be on the list and not Giga Bowser. --HeroicJay at work 22:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Stay on - Zero Suit Samus and Giga Bowser are two completely separate cases. Zero Suit on, Giga off. - Sukecchi 23:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Stay on - seems that Nintendo confirming the characters with separate profiles lends a lot of credibility, and Zero Suit Samus has been given a separate "newcomer" profile since the beginning, culminating in her profile being added to the Dojo today. Rglong 07:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Zero Suit Samus is the result of Samus Aran's Final Smash, the Zero Laser. As posted on the official website. So I guess all that "speculation" turned out to be true after all... - Saturn Yoshi THE VOICES 07:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I believe the picture representing the NPC Giga Bowser should be a picture of him as a Non Playable Character. Showing him in playable form is misleading. A picture of the playable GB is already seen here. The original GB trophy picture was probably the best (most of the other NPC pics are of trophies). -- 147.226.44.186 15:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
That section talks about Giga Bowser in general, not just his nonplayable. At the bottom of the article, it even mentions him being playable in Brawl. It should stay. Depressio 17:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
But Giga Bowser already has a "sub" profile under the main Bowser article. If the "Non-playable characters" section of the page is really going to discuss NPC exclusively, then shouldn't Giga Bowser be shown as he is portrayed as a NPC? Any other discussion about the character as a NPC and a playable character would take place on the appropriate page. It only makes sense. -- 147.226.44.186 21:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
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