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Shouldn't it be mentioned that Luigi is in the game? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.229.26.222 ( talk) 00:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Should it be edited to include the "E" rating label? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.245.98 ( talk) 02:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
When will the article make mention of Luma? The version in the kiosk (which I persume is the final build) already formally introduces them after meeting Rosalina. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.232.145 ( talk) 03:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Someone has been changing the name "Rosetta" to "Rosalina" in the plot section lately. Would someone mind fixing this? Anon 16:55 20 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.73.251 ( talk) 20:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes it is rosalina, check this page and this video too. (check the description on the right and click "more") —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.123.218 ( talk) 01:11, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
After this dispute is settled I think it still should be kept on a smaller lock for a short while to keep from the recent vandalism and speculation which has been plaguing this article. Also, just for reference, what is this "UR MR GAY thing" and why does it keep on getting bought up? --Is this fact...? 09:20, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
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Old: "The October 2007 issue of Nintendo Power confirmed the return of the Super Mushroom and Fire Flower power-ups"
New: "The October 2007 issue of Nintendo Power confirmed the return of the Super Mushroom [1] and Fire Flower power-ups"
Old: "New gameplay mechanics include Gravity Arrows, which make Mario gravitate in the direction that these arrows point"
New: "New gameplay mechanics include Gravity Arrows, which make Mario gravitate in the direction that these arrows point [2]"
Old: "Star Shards, which can be grabbed simply by moving the cursor over them"
New: "Star Crystals, which can be grabbed using the Wiimote's sensors and then shot as a projectile [3]"
--Is this fact...? 09:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
You do pick them up with the remote and shoot them. I spent the last two hours doing that in my livingroom
Southsailor
14:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Discuss --Is this fact... ? 22:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
He was speculated to appear since this picture: http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/images/ss/smg/060.jpg
It clearly shows a Luigi-like figure in the lower-right, behind the window. However, he has now been officially confirmed in Nintendo Power!
"It's surprising how Mario's scaredy-cat little brother, Luigi, keeps finding himself in the spookiest places. Ghostly Galaxy is packed with giant Boos, trap doors, and one green-suspendered knee-trembling sibling. But saving his bacon is worth the effort- once you get Luigi safely back to the Comet Observatory, he'll help you out in your quest to find more-tricky stars."
This doesn't necessarily mean he is playable, but it should be mentioned. 208.101.156.13 23:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Which section should this be under? Plot...? Gameplay..? --Is this fact... ? 23:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd say we mention it in plot. could someone make that edit please? Madhatter9max 19:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I'll request it as soon as someone tells me what issue of Nintendo Power the quote is from. As you can shortly see above, YouTube videos won't be edited in as cites. --Is this fact... ? 06:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
It was in issue 222 of Nintendo Power. It mentions him in the "Ghostly Galaxy" (if I remember the name right). I'll be happy to post a scan of the article if anyone asks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.163.171 ( talk) 20:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
check the footage at this site...he's on there, face it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFtSRicjGVQ 76.27.215.219 18:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC) Madhatter9max 18:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
He is comfirmed as playable. You need to obtain all 120 stars with mario and finish the final fight with Bowser then let the credits role.
I know its a forum and dosent count as a reliable source on here but scroll down to the spoiler tag, click and read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.139.43.27 ( talk) 00:21, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
someone add him to plot! stop whining about technicalities and put him in! 76.27.215.219 00:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Here's a picture from issue 222 of Nintendo Power. See No, there was no picture of Luigi in any of the 4 page article, and though it doesn't mention him as being playable, it says that he'll help you out on your quest to find more tricky stars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.163.171 ( talk) 20:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, he is playable after all. http://www.smgalaxy.com/forums/messages.php?board=1&topic=6 208.101.156.13 13:18, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I was going to change the number of pre-orders amde but it's protected. May I put it in there, and how am I going to do it???? -- Mr.Mario 192 22:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
The first review for the game has been published, a 38/40 by Famitsu. Can this be added in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KnowitallWiki ( talk • contribs) 12:13, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey the review is real if you go to gonintendo.com and go back a couple of the previous entries, you will see a link to Famitsu's review of Galaxy. (I would just add a link to show you, but I'm still learning exactly how to do that.) ( Sina Cool 20:19, 24 October 2007 (UTC))
http://super-mario-galaxy.blogspot.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Europebound2007 ( talk • contribs) 20:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
That blogspot is dead now, thank god. Also, i believe Nintendo did release full games to the retailers, they were only meant for there display consoles though. I'm not sure if this is cannon information as i have no source for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.139.43.27 ( talk) 00:35, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I edited the "Plot" Section on the page (I added the Luigi info from the new issue of Nintendo Power) and it got erased. Now, its locked from editing until November 6th. I don't think this makes since. Futurekid000 22:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Must be because the UR MR GAY thing is back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.123.218 ( talk) 03:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
1. I put it in the Plot section.
2. The UR MR GAY thing is over
Futurekid000 00:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to note here that under Wikipedia guidelines, YouTube videos cannot be used as reliable sources. As such, I've gone through and replaced all YouTube links in the article with {{ fact}} templates.
On a quasi-related note, I couldn't find any specific guidelines on verifiability as it relates to video games released in one region but not another. Now that it's out in Japan, some editors (myself included) have direct access to the final product, which means that we can directly verify issues related to gameplay, plot, etc. before it is released in the States. This has been done before with no objections, but given that this is a very high-profile release, I just wanted to make sure that I didn't miss something in the policies preventing me from adding this information. -- jonny-mt( t)( c) 01:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
But "In some cases, video clips published on YouTube may be acceptable as primary sources if their authenticity can be confirmed, or as a secondary source if they can be traced to a reliable publisher... They may also be used as a convenience link for material originally published elsewhere..." --Is this fact... ? 06:40, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I noticed there has been a little bit of back-and-forth today between whether or not to include the Japanese title of the game. I personally come down on the side of including it, but when I looked around a little more I realized there's no clear consensus on their usage. I've put my thoughts down on the talk page of the video game style guide in the hopes of settling this question, and so I'd greatly appreciate it if anyone with an opinion on this matter add their comments there. Thanks! -- jonny-mt( t)( c) 04:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Do we really need to add a sentence mentioning that the game has been dumped?
1. Every Nintendo game eventually gets pirated. Look on GBAtemp; there isn't a single exception. This is nothing new or special.
2. We really don't need to be giving pirates more attention, which they crave.
Wikipedian06 19:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
( Mad Gouki 00:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC))
I disagree, to an extent. This game being leaked will have huge repercussions in the industry... it should be mentioned. HOWEVER, all things considered, the change in the article regarding it being leaked shouldn't be made until after the game is released. You don't want to add to the advertising. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.44.83 ( talk) 00:44, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Even the new source says it was a demonstration purpose disc from a kiosk machine. JayKeaton 03:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that telling someone to "grow up quickly" is exactly going to entice civility out of them. Some might even say that telling someone to grow up is not at all likely to make them be civil at all, which means the intention of that comment would be to ridicule undermine him (it doesn't matter if he deserves it or not). It's a strange one, sort of passive aggressive, trying to make it look like you are being mature and calming someone down, when you are really trying to offend them and provoke more aggression. In any case, you BOTH need to be more civil. JayKeaton 17:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Now that reviews are coming in, for the sake of the article try and put off editting the reception section because like all the other articles it will repeat the same pattern - first its nothing but praise and obvious bias stating it has a 99% and is the top rated game at Game Rankings even though it only has 21 reviews (Zelda: TP, Oblivion, BioShock, Halo 3 and now the Orange Box are going through this, they always get scored out of the list!) - then comes overwhelming negative comments - then an edit war between the two with huge discussions about it here - finally, LONG after the game is released we get some where... how about we cut out the middle man and just wait until it was 30 reviews or so? Check at Game Rankings to see the number. Come on, bias only slows down article development and the reception sections are always the "capture the flag" point in the "wars". Stabby Joe 21:59, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Maybe we could just decide in advance which reviews are notable enough to be put in the article and ignore the rest. The obvious ones would be IGN, gamespot, Edge, Famitsu, ONM? ( Alewhey 10:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC))
If you can help it, try to choose complaints that appear in multiple reviews, rather than complaints that only one specific reviewer experienced (sort of like finding consensus on complaints). But if they are all a little different from each other then just do whatever you'd normally do ^_^ Good work too, by the way. The whole post release section doesn't seem to be mutating into anything unreadable like the Halo 3 article did around the time of its release. JayKeaton 16:51, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I know a lot of people are constantly searching all the new secrets posted on the internet and want to share, but PLEASE WARN OF SPOILERS. Confirming that the game does have Luigi as playable character while predictable is a huge spoiler and shouldn't be placed without warning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.45.15.164 ( talk) 02:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
See www.smgalaxy.com for said rumor. This galaxy has constantly been brought up on 2ch and other prominent Japanese discussion forums, though no pictorial or video evidence has surfaced so far. Is this real or is it a hoax? Wikipedian06 08:58, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
There is a Grand Finale Galaxy. You get there by getting all 120 stars as Luigi (you unlock by collectiong all 120 stars as Mario.). It takes place in the Muhsroom kingdom from the beginning of the game.
I live in Gateway Galaxy! 01:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I just read the plot section, and it says that Mario is blasted when trying to save Peach by Kamella, 'a female counterpart of Kamek, who has been confirmed as a boss in the game'. I'm pretty sure that's false, seeing as how 'Kamella's' article links back to Kamek's character section...Well, I mean, Kamella's mentioned there, too, but I don't see any actual proof that Kamek is replaced by a girl in this game. And isn't Kamek's female counterpart Kammy, anyway?
Okay, nevermind. I found proof that Kamella does exist, but she's definetley not the one who blasts Mario in the intro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.240.248 ( talk) 14:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
It's Kamek who blasts Mario out into space, not Kamella, but he does not appear anywhere else in the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.79.102.0 ( talk) 19:07, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I dont doubt you, i just want to know the names anyway, what are they? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.27.215.219 ( talk) 02:47, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Why has the plot been changed to say that it was just a magikoopa who shot Mario out into Space? The Mario community has accepted that it was Kamek, so thats what it should say. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamek1001 ( talk • contribs) 07:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Please, what is the problem in putting this review up? This is the only game that passed perfection. Just leave the biggest review (110% from ONM Italy) and the worst (90%), so there would be an even balance. Also, there should be something mentioning that Mario Galaxy is the first game to ever pass perfection on any review to date. -- Mr.Mario 192 19:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
to note that you can unlock Luigi under the "Plot" section? Dude902 01:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.209.5.150 ( talk) 13:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd say this scrapes into the B-class zone, now, though there's still work to do before nominating it for GA. Here are some ideas to get you there:
Have a look at WP:GA? for further ideas. If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to ask me. Hope this helps, Una Laguna Talk 07:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Great work so far, although I uncrossed the citation point, as there are still considerable chunks of sections without any sources. For example, the first couple of paragraph of the Reception section are uncited - this needs to be fixed along with everything else which isn't cited. Una Laguna Talk 07:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Maybe there needs to be more on the plot. Most Wikipedia articles that I've seen tell what happens with the storyline in the beginning, middle and end, albeit in short detail. --Is this fact... ? 08:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Tell me, good folks, does this game contain any firmware update for the Wii? Maybe version 3.1? My internet has been down since October so I don't have the latest version yet. 216.166.78.9 18:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
The pal version certainly does, I put the disc in this morning and it updated to V3.0E -- Alewhey ( talk) 17:42, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Certain GAME stores in the UK and Ireland are offering SMG a day early. This link here shows for Oxford Street, and many major cities such as Belfast, Dublin, Cardiff etc also are doing the same thing. Is it notable to add this somewhere in the article or are theyre many of this kind of promotion going on? Leemorrison 22:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Just like to point out that Galaxy has never surpassed Ocarina of Time on Metacritic OoT holds 99. While galaxy has only hit 97. And currently Galaxy is .3 above Ocarina of Time the numbers are no where near solid but Galaxy higher than Zelda needs to be changed.
Don't start adding its rank just yet, the last edit said it was now "offical" which it is not. The following games had the same rank when they JUST PAST 20 reviews: Halo 3, Zelda: Twilight Princess, BioShock, Call of Duty 4, Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, God of War II, Gears of War, GTA: San Andreas etc etc and of course Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Mass Effect will most likely repeat the same pattern.
My advice? WAIT! Now that reviews are coming in and coming in fast, its score/rank will change constantly (up and down) so I reconmend to just wait for atleast 40 reviews before bragging about a rank that won't stay. Now I know for a fact that many will object and/or do anyways but all its going to do is create an edit war and enforce biased in what is supposed to be a neutral article. Stabby Joe 14:27, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
But people really will update it as it changes. When the Transformers movie came out I was really impressed with how people continually updated the Rotten Tomatoes rating as the reviews kept on coming in. If we leave out the GameRankings thing then someone will add it in, you can't really stop them from doing that and I think that putting a note on the reception section warning people not to add it really goes against the be bold ethic of Wikipedia. I can't remember what those little notes are called. You know when you go to edit a section and there is a note that appears in code that is designed only to be seen in the editing process? JayKeaton 02:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree here that we need to wait about a week or so more to allow the accumulation of more reviews before stating that it is #1 at GR. When BioShock came out, we underwent the same issue (as it was breaking review records), and decided to wait about 2 weeks after release to then add it being the "xth best game at GR and MetaCritic". It likely will end up #1 at GR when all is said and done. So either wait two week or until it accumulates about 50 reviews (the number that most other GR Wii games in the top 10 have), and then its a completely fair statement. -- MASEM 13:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Stabby Joe, you make some good points. But aren't you in clear violation of the Three-revert rule? I count five reverts removing the game's rank in the last 24 hours. TK421 ( talk) 18:12, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
And VGCharts in an official news posting. I hate to say it, but I don't think your opinion matters anymore. There are so many sources for it and you are being out numbered. JayKeaton ( talk) 19:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I am sure we have all heard about Sony's aim to dilute Super Mario Glaxay's high scores, but does it warrant an addition to the article? Here's the link anyway [ [4]] JayKeaton 16:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Curious about the particular person that wrote it, the "Sponsored by Sony" image was only added for his recent articles, articles more than a week or so old do not have that little sponsored by Sony thing on them. There is a noticible change in tone from the writer since Sony started sponsoring him, he started reporting on news less and getting involved more. Like before Sony he would simply report stats for sales, but after the Sony ads he would say that the competition has won a "victory" over Nintendo whenever they outsold them. We'll have to wait and see if anyone reports on it though, or even just reports on the forum and blog response so we can validate that there really was a notable response in blogs and forums JayKeaton 02:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
While the Nsider site makes a point, unless it is recognized by more reputable sources (such as IGN or even Game Rankings), it should qualify as only a blog. Drumpler ( talk) 14:40, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there any indication as to how many of the promotional coins Nintendo minted? Drumpler ( talk) 02:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I didn't know where to put this discussion, so if I misplaced it, pardon me. So, how could Ocarina of Time getting #1 spot for years, if they unfairly putted the Mario 64 reviews. In other words, they forgot to put a lot of other reviews, such as the 10/10 on Edge, or the Gold Award on EGM??? So, if we put all the reviews together and SM64 pass OoT, can we change the part in the article that says that OoT holded #1 spot for 10 years? -- Mr.Mario 192 ( talk) 20:07, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
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Shouldn't it be mentioned that Luigi is in the game? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.229.26.222 ( talk) 00:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Should it be edited to include the "E" rating label? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.245.98 ( talk) 02:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
When will the article make mention of Luma? The version in the kiosk (which I persume is the final build) already formally introduces them after meeting Rosalina. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.232.145 ( talk) 03:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Someone has been changing the name "Rosetta" to "Rosalina" in the plot section lately. Would someone mind fixing this? Anon 16:55 20 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.73.251 ( talk) 20:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes it is rosalina, check this page and this video too. (check the description on the right and click "more") —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.123.218 ( talk) 01:11, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
After this dispute is settled I think it still should be kept on a smaller lock for a short while to keep from the recent vandalism and speculation which has been plaguing this article. Also, just for reference, what is this "UR MR GAY thing" and why does it keep on getting bought up? --Is this fact...? 09:20, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
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Old: "The October 2007 issue of Nintendo Power confirmed the return of the Super Mushroom and Fire Flower power-ups"
New: "The October 2007 issue of Nintendo Power confirmed the return of the Super Mushroom [1] and Fire Flower power-ups"
Old: "New gameplay mechanics include Gravity Arrows, which make Mario gravitate in the direction that these arrows point"
New: "New gameplay mechanics include Gravity Arrows, which make Mario gravitate in the direction that these arrows point [2]"
Old: "Star Shards, which can be grabbed simply by moving the cursor over them"
New: "Star Crystals, which can be grabbed using the Wiimote's sensors and then shot as a projectile [3]"
--Is this fact...? 09:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
You do pick them up with the remote and shoot them. I spent the last two hours doing that in my livingroom
Southsailor
14:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Discuss --Is this fact... ? 22:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
He was speculated to appear since this picture: http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/images/ss/smg/060.jpg
It clearly shows a Luigi-like figure in the lower-right, behind the window. However, he has now been officially confirmed in Nintendo Power!
"It's surprising how Mario's scaredy-cat little brother, Luigi, keeps finding himself in the spookiest places. Ghostly Galaxy is packed with giant Boos, trap doors, and one green-suspendered knee-trembling sibling. But saving his bacon is worth the effort- once you get Luigi safely back to the Comet Observatory, he'll help you out in your quest to find more-tricky stars."
This doesn't necessarily mean he is playable, but it should be mentioned. 208.101.156.13 23:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Which section should this be under? Plot...? Gameplay..? --Is this fact... ? 23:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd say we mention it in plot. could someone make that edit please? Madhatter9max 19:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I'll request it as soon as someone tells me what issue of Nintendo Power the quote is from. As you can shortly see above, YouTube videos won't be edited in as cites. --Is this fact... ? 06:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
It was in issue 222 of Nintendo Power. It mentions him in the "Ghostly Galaxy" (if I remember the name right). I'll be happy to post a scan of the article if anyone asks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.163.171 ( talk) 20:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
check the footage at this site...he's on there, face it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFtSRicjGVQ 76.27.215.219 18:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC) Madhatter9max 18:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
He is comfirmed as playable. You need to obtain all 120 stars with mario and finish the final fight with Bowser then let the credits role.
I know its a forum and dosent count as a reliable source on here but scroll down to the spoiler tag, click and read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.139.43.27 ( talk) 00:21, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
someone add him to plot! stop whining about technicalities and put him in! 76.27.215.219 00:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Here's a picture from issue 222 of Nintendo Power. See No, there was no picture of Luigi in any of the 4 page article, and though it doesn't mention him as being playable, it says that he'll help you out on your quest to find more tricky stars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.163.171 ( talk) 20:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, he is playable after all. http://www.smgalaxy.com/forums/messages.php?board=1&topic=6 208.101.156.13 13:18, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I was going to change the number of pre-orders amde but it's protected. May I put it in there, and how am I going to do it???? -- Mr.Mario 192 22:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
The first review for the game has been published, a 38/40 by Famitsu. Can this be added in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KnowitallWiki ( talk • contribs) 12:13, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey the review is real if you go to gonintendo.com and go back a couple of the previous entries, you will see a link to Famitsu's review of Galaxy. (I would just add a link to show you, but I'm still learning exactly how to do that.) ( Sina Cool 20:19, 24 October 2007 (UTC))
http://super-mario-galaxy.blogspot.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Europebound2007 ( talk • contribs) 20:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
That blogspot is dead now, thank god. Also, i believe Nintendo did release full games to the retailers, they were only meant for there display consoles though. I'm not sure if this is cannon information as i have no source for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.139.43.27 ( talk) 00:35, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I edited the "Plot" Section on the page (I added the Luigi info from the new issue of Nintendo Power) and it got erased. Now, its locked from editing until November 6th. I don't think this makes since. Futurekid000 22:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Must be because the UR MR GAY thing is back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.123.218 ( talk) 03:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
1. I put it in the Plot section.
2. The UR MR GAY thing is over
Futurekid000 00:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to note here that under Wikipedia guidelines, YouTube videos cannot be used as reliable sources. As such, I've gone through and replaced all YouTube links in the article with {{ fact}} templates.
On a quasi-related note, I couldn't find any specific guidelines on verifiability as it relates to video games released in one region but not another. Now that it's out in Japan, some editors (myself included) have direct access to the final product, which means that we can directly verify issues related to gameplay, plot, etc. before it is released in the States. This has been done before with no objections, but given that this is a very high-profile release, I just wanted to make sure that I didn't miss something in the policies preventing me from adding this information. -- jonny-mt( t)( c) 01:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
But "In some cases, video clips published on YouTube may be acceptable as primary sources if their authenticity can be confirmed, or as a secondary source if they can be traced to a reliable publisher... They may also be used as a convenience link for material originally published elsewhere..." --Is this fact... ? 06:40, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I noticed there has been a little bit of back-and-forth today between whether or not to include the Japanese title of the game. I personally come down on the side of including it, but when I looked around a little more I realized there's no clear consensus on their usage. I've put my thoughts down on the talk page of the video game style guide in the hopes of settling this question, and so I'd greatly appreciate it if anyone with an opinion on this matter add their comments there. Thanks! -- jonny-mt( t)( c) 04:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Do we really need to add a sentence mentioning that the game has been dumped?
1. Every Nintendo game eventually gets pirated. Look on GBAtemp; there isn't a single exception. This is nothing new or special.
2. We really don't need to be giving pirates more attention, which they crave.
Wikipedian06 19:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
( Mad Gouki 00:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC))
I disagree, to an extent. This game being leaked will have huge repercussions in the industry... it should be mentioned. HOWEVER, all things considered, the change in the article regarding it being leaked shouldn't be made until after the game is released. You don't want to add to the advertising. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.44.83 ( talk) 00:44, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Even the new source says it was a demonstration purpose disc from a kiosk machine. JayKeaton 03:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that telling someone to "grow up quickly" is exactly going to entice civility out of them. Some might even say that telling someone to grow up is not at all likely to make them be civil at all, which means the intention of that comment would be to ridicule undermine him (it doesn't matter if he deserves it or not). It's a strange one, sort of passive aggressive, trying to make it look like you are being mature and calming someone down, when you are really trying to offend them and provoke more aggression. In any case, you BOTH need to be more civil. JayKeaton 17:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Now that reviews are coming in, for the sake of the article try and put off editting the reception section because like all the other articles it will repeat the same pattern - first its nothing but praise and obvious bias stating it has a 99% and is the top rated game at Game Rankings even though it only has 21 reviews (Zelda: TP, Oblivion, BioShock, Halo 3 and now the Orange Box are going through this, they always get scored out of the list!) - then comes overwhelming negative comments - then an edit war between the two with huge discussions about it here - finally, LONG after the game is released we get some where... how about we cut out the middle man and just wait until it was 30 reviews or so? Check at Game Rankings to see the number. Come on, bias only slows down article development and the reception sections are always the "capture the flag" point in the "wars". Stabby Joe 21:59, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Maybe we could just decide in advance which reviews are notable enough to be put in the article and ignore the rest. The obvious ones would be IGN, gamespot, Edge, Famitsu, ONM? ( Alewhey 10:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC))
If you can help it, try to choose complaints that appear in multiple reviews, rather than complaints that only one specific reviewer experienced (sort of like finding consensus on complaints). But if they are all a little different from each other then just do whatever you'd normally do ^_^ Good work too, by the way. The whole post release section doesn't seem to be mutating into anything unreadable like the Halo 3 article did around the time of its release. JayKeaton 16:51, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I know a lot of people are constantly searching all the new secrets posted on the internet and want to share, but PLEASE WARN OF SPOILERS. Confirming that the game does have Luigi as playable character while predictable is a huge spoiler and shouldn't be placed without warning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.45.15.164 ( talk) 02:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
See www.smgalaxy.com for said rumor. This galaxy has constantly been brought up on 2ch and other prominent Japanese discussion forums, though no pictorial or video evidence has surfaced so far. Is this real or is it a hoax? Wikipedian06 08:58, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
There is a Grand Finale Galaxy. You get there by getting all 120 stars as Luigi (you unlock by collectiong all 120 stars as Mario.). It takes place in the Muhsroom kingdom from the beginning of the game.
I live in Gateway Galaxy! 01:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I just read the plot section, and it says that Mario is blasted when trying to save Peach by Kamella, 'a female counterpart of Kamek, who has been confirmed as a boss in the game'. I'm pretty sure that's false, seeing as how 'Kamella's' article links back to Kamek's character section...Well, I mean, Kamella's mentioned there, too, but I don't see any actual proof that Kamek is replaced by a girl in this game. And isn't Kamek's female counterpart Kammy, anyway?
Okay, nevermind. I found proof that Kamella does exist, but she's definetley not the one who blasts Mario in the intro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.240.248 ( talk) 14:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
It's Kamek who blasts Mario out into space, not Kamella, but he does not appear anywhere else in the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.79.102.0 ( talk) 19:07, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I dont doubt you, i just want to know the names anyway, what are they? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.27.215.219 ( talk) 02:47, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Why has the plot been changed to say that it was just a magikoopa who shot Mario out into Space? The Mario community has accepted that it was Kamek, so thats what it should say. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamek1001 ( talk • contribs) 07:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Please, what is the problem in putting this review up? This is the only game that passed perfection. Just leave the biggest review (110% from ONM Italy) and the worst (90%), so there would be an even balance. Also, there should be something mentioning that Mario Galaxy is the first game to ever pass perfection on any review to date. -- Mr.Mario 192 19:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
to note that you can unlock Luigi under the "Plot" section? Dude902 01:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.209.5.150 ( talk) 13:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd say this scrapes into the B-class zone, now, though there's still work to do before nominating it for GA. Here are some ideas to get you there:
Have a look at WP:GA? for further ideas. If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to ask me. Hope this helps, Una Laguna Talk 07:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Great work so far, although I uncrossed the citation point, as there are still considerable chunks of sections without any sources. For example, the first couple of paragraph of the Reception section are uncited - this needs to be fixed along with everything else which isn't cited. Una Laguna Talk 07:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Maybe there needs to be more on the plot. Most Wikipedia articles that I've seen tell what happens with the storyline in the beginning, middle and end, albeit in short detail. --Is this fact... ? 08:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Tell me, good folks, does this game contain any firmware update for the Wii? Maybe version 3.1? My internet has been down since October so I don't have the latest version yet. 216.166.78.9 18:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
The pal version certainly does, I put the disc in this morning and it updated to V3.0E -- Alewhey ( talk) 17:42, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Certain GAME stores in the UK and Ireland are offering SMG a day early. This link here shows for Oxford Street, and many major cities such as Belfast, Dublin, Cardiff etc also are doing the same thing. Is it notable to add this somewhere in the article or are theyre many of this kind of promotion going on? Leemorrison 22:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Just like to point out that Galaxy has never surpassed Ocarina of Time on Metacritic OoT holds 99. While galaxy has only hit 97. And currently Galaxy is .3 above Ocarina of Time the numbers are no where near solid but Galaxy higher than Zelda needs to be changed.
Don't start adding its rank just yet, the last edit said it was now "offical" which it is not. The following games had the same rank when they JUST PAST 20 reviews: Halo 3, Zelda: Twilight Princess, BioShock, Call of Duty 4, Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, God of War II, Gears of War, GTA: San Andreas etc etc and of course Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Mass Effect will most likely repeat the same pattern.
My advice? WAIT! Now that reviews are coming in and coming in fast, its score/rank will change constantly (up and down) so I reconmend to just wait for atleast 40 reviews before bragging about a rank that won't stay. Now I know for a fact that many will object and/or do anyways but all its going to do is create an edit war and enforce biased in what is supposed to be a neutral article. Stabby Joe 14:27, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
But people really will update it as it changes. When the Transformers movie came out I was really impressed with how people continually updated the Rotten Tomatoes rating as the reviews kept on coming in. If we leave out the GameRankings thing then someone will add it in, you can't really stop them from doing that and I think that putting a note on the reception section warning people not to add it really goes against the be bold ethic of Wikipedia. I can't remember what those little notes are called. You know when you go to edit a section and there is a note that appears in code that is designed only to be seen in the editing process? JayKeaton 02:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree here that we need to wait about a week or so more to allow the accumulation of more reviews before stating that it is #1 at GR. When BioShock came out, we underwent the same issue (as it was breaking review records), and decided to wait about 2 weeks after release to then add it being the "xth best game at GR and MetaCritic". It likely will end up #1 at GR when all is said and done. So either wait two week or until it accumulates about 50 reviews (the number that most other GR Wii games in the top 10 have), and then its a completely fair statement. -- MASEM 13:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Stabby Joe, you make some good points. But aren't you in clear violation of the Three-revert rule? I count five reverts removing the game's rank in the last 24 hours. TK421 ( talk) 18:12, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
And VGCharts in an official news posting. I hate to say it, but I don't think your opinion matters anymore. There are so many sources for it and you are being out numbered. JayKeaton ( talk) 19:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I am sure we have all heard about Sony's aim to dilute Super Mario Glaxay's high scores, but does it warrant an addition to the article? Here's the link anyway [ [4]] JayKeaton 16:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Curious about the particular person that wrote it, the "Sponsored by Sony" image was only added for his recent articles, articles more than a week or so old do not have that little sponsored by Sony thing on them. There is a noticible change in tone from the writer since Sony started sponsoring him, he started reporting on news less and getting involved more. Like before Sony he would simply report stats for sales, but after the Sony ads he would say that the competition has won a "victory" over Nintendo whenever they outsold them. We'll have to wait and see if anyone reports on it though, or even just reports on the forum and blog response so we can validate that there really was a notable response in blogs and forums JayKeaton 02:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
While the Nsider site makes a point, unless it is recognized by more reputable sources (such as IGN or even Game Rankings), it should qualify as only a blog. Drumpler ( talk) 14:40, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there any indication as to how many of the promotional coins Nintendo minted? Drumpler ( talk) 02:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I didn't know where to put this discussion, so if I misplaced it, pardon me. So, how could Ocarina of Time getting #1 spot for years, if they unfairly putted the Mario 64 reviews. In other words, they forgot to put a lot of other reviews, such as the 10/10 on Edge, or the Gold Award on EGM??? So, if we put all the reviews together and SM64 pass OoT, can we change the part in the article that says that OoT holded #1 spot for 10 years? -- Mr.Mario 192 ( talk) 20:07, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
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