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This has come up before and requires consensus. To me, portraying these games as separate from the Super Mario series can only be done through the use of personal criteria that are not Wikipedia's place to determine. The most objective way to depict them is the way in which they are labelled, i.e. as Super Mario Land 3 and Super Mario World 2, numerical instalments in the series. Given the name of this article, their inclusion as part of the subject matter is self-explanatory. Their exclusion is a relic of the previous confused scope of the article before it was moved. The extent to which Mario is playable is an arbitrary basis on which to classify these games and its use violates Wikipedia:NPOV. Wario Land and Yoshi's Island are overtly and officially part of the Super Mario series, the exact topic of this article. It's right there in their titles. ArtistScientist ( talk) 02:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
I agree with ArtistScientist. The same is done with the Sonic the Hedgehog (series), which I work on quite a bit. There's games like Shadow the Hedgehog or Knuckles Chaotix that, while don't have Sonic playable, still contain characters from the series, and are considered part of the series itself. (There's all sorts of silly fan arguments about if they're "spinoffs" or "main series", or if the story is canon or not, etc, but that's another argument altogether. They're still all recognized as part of the series.) Sergecross73 msg me 23:57, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
But there is a restriction about these series, only games made by Shigeru Miyamoto and Takashi Tezuka are take on count. These games, according to the Super Mario History booklet, are:
Super Mario 3D Land also applies to this list, by the way. Note that neither Super Mario Land, it's both sequels and SMW2: Yoshi's Island weren't added into the compilation, well, not even mentioned, thus, are similary based games but by the fact Miyamoto was not involved on their development or Mario was not the central character, these do not belong to the "main" series. -- Byll the Wyll ( talk) 00:42, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
I have to bring this back up per the recent reverts. Here's an RS for you: Nintendo Power doesn't consider SML3 and SMW2 official Mario games as they don't feature Mario prominently (SMW2 only has you control Mario when a Star is obtained, SML3 only has him as a cameo). I completely disagree with the addition of either game to the article. -- Nathan2055 talk - contribs 03:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Shigeru Miyamoto explicitly stated in an interview with Game Informer that "[the developers] consider it [Yoshi's Island] to be part of the core Mario series." Shouldn't this end the debate on that game? Source. -- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 16:26, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Why not just call this page "Super Mario". None of the games in the series are called just "Super Mario", and the protagonist is called simply "Mario". I can't think of anything else referred to by the title of "Super Mario", and even if it did exist then its page would be called "Super Mario (something)". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.13.2 ( talk) 14:04, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Just a quick heads-up, Super-tony980 ( talk · contribs) has been spamming that long-running Super Mario power-ups were first introduced in Mario spin-offs. Be careful as he seems to refuse to communicate with me. -- Nathan2055 talk - contribs 23:50, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Especially in light of the recent "what constitutes a Super Mario game" argument, I have to agree. -- Nathan2055 talk - contribs 00:21, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
I see the name has been discussed before, but is Super Mario and Super Mario Bros. really considered the same series? All Super Mario Bros. games are in 2D while all the Super Mario games are (mainly) in 3D with a few 2D sections thrown in (as in Super Mario Galaxy 2). To me, comparing Super Mario with Super Mario Bros. is like comparing Super Mario with Mario Kart. They're two different series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LonelyGreyWolf ( talk • contribs) 08:56, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Ok, if you ask me, they are the same series. I can see that no game starting with Super Mario Bros. is 3D, but Super Mario World is 2D! Anyway, I think they are the same series, so if this was a vote, No split. Sorry, if I offended you. Darrman ( talk) 10:05, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
If all of these have 'super' in the game title.
If these are ALL 2D games then: Super Mario(2D)
If these contain 3D games then: Super Mario
If some lack 'super', then remove super from the title.
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 23:10, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Why is text in boxes?????
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 23:10, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Super Mario galaxy, 64, and sunshine are a different series. The entire concept is different. One is 'get to the flag' the other is 'solve puzzles to collect stars'. Yeah, they feature Mario, but then why not throw in every game where you play as Mario in an adventure?
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 05:25, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
It is really simple: a game in the same series must be similar to other games in the series.
Franchises are more complex (not even sure if I am right). They are a set of series featuring the same main characters (with different storylines) in the same genre (in this case: action adventure).
I vote NO on a split. I vote YES on changing the title.
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 20:36, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Speaking of common names and on this topic, I suggested in the peer review that this article drop its disambiguation (to "Super Mario") since it is the common name for the series (and not the character). czar · · 23:00, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
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WP:YOUTUBE can't be used as a reliable source. There are WP:SPS and WP:COPYVIO concerns. His additions were sloppy. For instance, one of his edits made it read: The Mega Mushroom is a more recent recurring item in the series which debuted in Mario Party 4... While the first appearance of the Mega Mushroom was in New Super Mario Bros. Its contradictory.
Actually your statement is wrong. He meant the first appearance in SUPER MARIO was super mario bros. its debut overall was Mario Party 4
Anyway, just give me evidence from NINTENDO that proves what series each game is in. Without it, we are assuming.
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 19:58, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
You are misunderstanding me. We cannot prove WHAT games exist in the Super Mario Series. Therefore, we should not mention ANY specific games.
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 05:41, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
That's all the proof necessary. The End. I'm not discussing any further - the contrary argument is ludicrous, and there's no where near a consensus to support it. Sergecross73 msg me 12:54, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 13:51, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 20:14, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Its not that I argue for the sake of arguing. Its just that without some kind of contradiction the statement must be true. Where have you actually proven the statement. Think about how hollow the proof is. What if Nintendo made Super Mario Party rather than Mario Party? You would probably lump it in this article? Am I right in saying that?
Oh, I just read the article and found that there are mentions of different things in both "series" that create continuity. You should have mentioned that sooner. Forget this entire discussion.
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 03:46, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be a nice feature to change the colors of the timeline according to the system the games are released for? I have no idea how to do it, it's just a proposition ;) 93.211.159.40 ( talk) 16:52, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
We have 6 consoles, so if we need to color-code the games by console (as indicated further up the talk page as someone's suggestion) then we need 6 different colors. Any thoughts on what each color should be?? What color should represent the NES?? The SNES?? The Nintendo 64?? The GameCube?? The Wii?? The Wii U?? Georgia guy ( talk) 12:35, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
The Turkish article that actually linked to this page, Lep's World, was removed due to it being unrelated itself. On other languages, the Super Mario series, on Turkish, a Mario clone on Android phones. Looks like I'll have to discuss it. Guy9374isback2 ( talk) 19:32, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
A few years ago, I argued for inclusion [1], but it seems Nintendo has officially decided the two games are not part of the Super Mario series. I have already removed SML3:WL before noticing SMW2:YI was similarly absent, and will hope for some talk page discussion before gutting the article even further. I don't see how anybody can reasonably argue with Nintendo themselves on the topic but I welcome opinions. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 23:34, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
The original Donkey Kong undeniably is part of the DK series, which means the DK series existed first. The Super Mario series did not exist until 1985. A spin-off, by definition, a comes after the source series. The DK series did not spin-off from Super Mario. I've edited the article accordingly. Ozdarka ( talk) 05:30, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
2 months later... SafetySponge ( talk) 20:05, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
The super mario run needs to be added to the list of mario games http://supermariorun.com/en/index.html it has it's own article but hasn't been added to the list of games yet. source: http://supermariorun.com/en/index.html Thestarchyninja ( talk) 16:57, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
A small thing, maybe, but there's been a lot of back-and-forth on the main article recently about what games in the leading timeline can be considered 'original' and therefore written in bold. The recent argument is that the NSMB series and some handheld games shouldn't count as bold due to being a sub-series, but I believe they should be bold due to them not being remakes or re-releases.
Surely only remakes should be the ones not in bold, as all the other ones are original entries in the main series? This could help prevent the ongoing edit war. GloverMist ( talk) 10:50, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
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Just wondering, it seems to be a giant oversight to skip SMB2, especially given that there's the Japanese and "Western" versions of the game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derf Jagged ( talk • contribs) 20:56, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Hey,
Was thinking that this page and the one on the Mario franchise should get semi protection like the Nintendo and Legend of Zelda pages have. Anybody know how we can request it? - Peterjack1
Ok, thanks for the advice. Peterjack1 ( talk) 02:12, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
To explain a bit - the article was recently drastically reorganized with any discussion, consensus, or explanation. I undid it, as it was not an improvement for a few reasons. (For reference, you can see the rejected version here.
In the future, make sure you discuss radical changes to articles first, especially when it’s obviously a popular, high traffic article like this. It’s not required, but it’ll keep you from wasting a lot of time and effort with your work being undone. Sergecross73 msg me 23:55, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Fine, we can include Mario 2 in the mainline games to avoid confusion. However, they still does not justify the entire revert. The justifies editing my work, because it is not OR it is stating facts about the game and is unbiased. Peterjack1 ( talk) 03:50, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
My criteria is based on its gameplay; is it a platformer with common Mario elements? Is it seen by the general Mario community as a main series game? And if you would like me to go into more detail, here you go:
-Mario 2 is based on throwing turnips, you can’t defeat enemies by jumping on them, which is the #1 identifying mechanic of Mario, this one thing alone makes it a completely different game and if it’s name wasn’t “Mario 2” it probably wouldn’t be on the timeline.
-The Super Mario Land series isn’t really part of the main timeline; it’s kind of it’s own thing. The gameplay has the base elements but is just different and in the third game you play as Wario.
-Yoshi’s Island has the subtitle “Super Mario World 2” and has Baby Mario in it so I put it in the “other platformers” section.
-New Super Luigi U is both an add on to NSMBU and it’s own standalone game, so it could go either way I guess. Same with Super Mario Maker, it features the same 2D gameplay as the NSMB series but is a level creation game so could go either way.
Any other questions?
Peterjack1 (
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04:19, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, folks. Just a friendly heads up regarding the time Miyamoto stated how he and his team felt that Yoshi's Island was a part of the core series during the 25th Super Mario anniversary. There has been a change reflected in official material since then particularly in the Super Mario Encyclopedia released for the 30th anniversary. You can find it on page 241. There's multiple plausible explanations: perhaps some nuance to the sentiment was lost along the way whether it be in his understanding of the question, the understanding on the interpreters' part, or even just a change of mind upon further reflection down the road.
Also it's worth mentioning that in page 255 of said encyclopedia that Super Mario Maker is not classified as a mainline Super Mario series game either. I imagine the change can be a bit of an adjustment especially for the sort of fans who are vested in these sort of details and that one might as well prepare for some sort of other change flying under our radar again some day. Thanks for your time! 2600:8805:8100:5F60:2D6B:C89A:25E1:EAB9 ( talk) 22:10, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
I hear you both on that and recognize it's a conflict of information on their part. The whole book was surprisingly specific with the whole "17 titles in the main series" thing (as neither Run or Odyssey were out yet) and then on page 81 they get into how members of "the Mario family" have had their own spinoff platformers. It's possible that they've come to a decision that while the game has benefited from the Mario branding, had built upon Mario's trope codifying platform styles, and contributed to the sparse amount of lore...they may have just found the lack of time spent playing as Mario in the game to be a deal breaker. Either way: in the event they recant on it, I'll sigh and chuckle about it and go "Oh, Nintendo" but the rest I leave up to youto mull it over. Thanks for your time and attention and for maintaining everything! 2600:8805:8100:5F60:2D6B:C89A:25E1:EAB9 ( talk) 02:30, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
If Wario and Yoshi are Super Mario characters,then their games belong to the Super Mario series
Sergecross73's edits are driving me nuts! Kairipines ( talk) 15:05, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
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This has come up before and requires consensus. To me, portraying these games as separate from the Super Mario series can only be done through the use of personal criteria that are not Wikipedia's place to determine. The most objective way to depict them is the way in which they are labelled, i.e. as Super Mario Land 3 and Super Mario World 2, numerical instalments in the series. Given the name of this article, their inclusion as part of the subject matter is self-explanatory. Their exclusion is a relic of the previous confused scope of the article before it was moved. The extent to which Mario is playable is an arbitrary basis on which to classify these games and its use violates Wikipedia:NPOV. Wario Land and Yoshi's Island are overtly and officially part of the Super Mario series, the exact topic of this article. It's right there in their titles. ArtistScientist ( talk) 02:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
I agree with ArtistScientist. The same is done with the Sonic the Hedgehog (series), which I work on quite a bit. There's games like Shadow the Hedgehog or Knuckles Chaotix that, while don't have Sonic playable, still contain characters from the series, and are considered part of the series itself. (There's all sorts of silly fan arguments about if they're "spinoffs" or "main series", or if the story is canon or not, etc, but that's another argument altogether. They're still all recognized as part of the series.) Sergecross73 msg me 23:57, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
But there is a restriction about these series, only games made by Shigeru Miyamoto and Takashi Tezuka are take on count. These games, according to the Super Mario History booklet, are:
Super Mario 3D Land also applies to this list, by the way. Note that neither Super Mario Land, it's both sequels and SMW2: Yoshi's Island weren't added into the compilation, well, not even mentioned, thus, are similary based games but by the fact Miyamoto was not involved on their development or Mario was not the central character, these do not belong to the "main" series. -- Byll the Wyll ( talk) 00:42, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
I have to bring this back up per the recent reverts. Here's an RS for you: Nintendo Power doesn't consider SML3 and SMW2 official Mario games as they don't feature Mario prominently (SMW2 only has you control Mario when a Star is obtained, SML3 only has him as a cameo). I completely disagree with the addition of either game to the article. -- Nathan2055 talk - contribs 03:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Shigeru Miyamoto explicitly stated in an interview with Game Informer that "[the developers] consider it [Yoshi's Island] to be part of the core Mario series." Shouldn't this end the debate on that game? Source. -- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 16:26, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Why not just call this page "Super Mario". None of the games in the series are called just "Super Mario", and the protagonist is called simply "Mario". I can't think of anything else referred to by the title of "Super Mario", and even if it did exist then its page would be called "Super Mario (something)". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.13.2 ( talk) 14:04, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Just a quick heads-up, Super-tony980 ( talk · contribs) has been spamming that long-running Super Mario power-ups were first introduced in Mario spin-offs. Be careful as he seems to refuse to communicate with me. -- Nathan2055 talk - contribs 23:50, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Especially in light of the recent "what constitutes a Super Mario game" argument, I have to agree. -- Nathan2055 talk - contribs 00:21, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
I see the name has been discussed before, but is Super Mario and Super Mario Bros. really considered the same series? All Super Mario Bros. games are in 2D while all the Super Mario games are (mainly) in 3D with a few 2D sections thrown in (as in Super Mario Galaxy 2). To me, comparing Super Mario with Super Mario Bros. is like comparing Super Mario with Mario Kart. They're two different series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LonelyGreyWolf ( talk • contribs) 08:56, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Ok, if you ask me, they are the same series. I can see that no game starting with Super Mario Bros. is 3D, but Super Mario World is 2D! Anyway, I think they are the same series, so if this was a vote, No split. Sorry, if I offended you. Darrman ( talk) 10:05, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
If all of these have 'super' in the game title.
If these are ALL 2D games then: Super Mario(2D)
If these contain 3D games then: Super Mario
If some lack 'super', then remove super from the title.
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 23:10, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Why is text in boxes?????
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 23:10, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Super Mario galaxy, 64, and sunshine are a different series. The entire concept is different. One is 'get to the flag' the other is 'solve puzzles to collect stars'. Yeah, they feature Mario, but then why not throw in every game where you play as Mario in an adventure?
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 05:25, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
It is really simple: a game in the same series must be similar to other games in the series.
Franchises are more complex (not even sure if I am right). They are a set of series featuring the same main characters (with different storylines) in the same genre (in this case: action adventure).
I vote NO on a split. I vote YES on changing the title.
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 20:36, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Speaking of common names and on this topic, I suggested in the peer review that this article drop its disambiguation (to "Super Mario") since it is the common name for the series (and not the character). czar · · 23:00, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
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WP:YOUTUBE can't be used as a reliable source. There are WP:SPS and WP:COPYVIO concerns. His additions were sloppy. For instance, one of his edits made it read: The Mega Mushroom is a more recent recurring item in the series which debuted in Mario Party 4... While the first appearance of the Mega Mushroom was in New Super Mario Bros. Its contradictory.
Actually your statement is wrong. He meant the first appearance in SUPER MARIO was super mario bros. its debut overall was Mario Party 4
Anyway, just give me evidence from NINTENDO that proves what series each game is in. Without it, we are assuming.
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 19:58, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
You are misunderstanding me. We cannot prove WHAT games exist in the Super Mario Series. Therefore, we should not mention ANY specific games.
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 05:41, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
That's all the proof necessary. The End. I'm not discussing any further - the contrary argument is ludicrous, and there's no where near a consensus to support it. Sergecross73 msg me 12:54, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 13:51, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 20:14, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Its not that I argue for the sake of arguing. Its just that without some kind of contradiction the statement must be true. Where have you actually proven the statement. Think about how hollow the proof is. What if Nintendo made Super Mario Party rather than Mario Party? You would probably lump it in this article? Am I right in saying that?
Oh, I just read the article and found that there are mentions of different things in both "series" that create continuity. You should have mentioned that sooner. Forget this entire discussion.
TheUnknownNinjaNN2( Talk, Always willing to discuss this subject) 03:46, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be a nice feature to change the colors of the timeline according to the system the games are released for? I have no idea how to do it, it's just a proposition ;) 93.211.159.40 ( talk) 16:52, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
We have 6 consoles, so if we need to color-code the games by console (as indicated further up the talk page as someone's suggestion) then we need 6 different colors. Any thoughts on what each color should be?? What color should represent the NES?? The SNES?? The Nintendo 64?? The GameCube?? The Wii?? The Wii U?? Georgia guy ( talk) 12:35, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
The Turkish article that actually linked to this page, Lep's World, was removed due to it being unrelated itself. On other languages, the Super Mario series, on Turkish, a Mario clone on Android phones. Looks like I'll have to discuss it. Guy9374isback2 ( talk) 19:32, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
A few years ago, I argued for inclusion [1], but it seems Nintendo has officially decided the two games are not part of the Super Mario series. I have already removed SML3:WL before noticing SMW2:YI was similarly absent, and will hope for some talk page discussion before gutting the article even further. I don't see how anybody can reasonably argue with Nintendo themselves on the topic but I welcome opinions. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 23:34, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
The original Donkey Kong undeniably is part of the DK series, which means the DK series existed first. The Super Mario series did not exist until 1985. A spin-off, by definition, a comes after the source series. The DK series did not spin-off from Super Mario. I've edited the article accordingly. Ozdarka ( talk) 05:30, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
2 months later... SafetySponge ( talk) 20:05, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
The super mario run needs to be added to the list of mario games http://supermariorun.com/en/index.html it has it's own article but hasn't been added to the list of games yet. source: http://supermariorun.com/en/index.html Thestarchyninja ( talk) 16:57, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
A small thing, maybe, but there's been a lot of back-and-forth on the main article recently about what games in the leading timeline can be considered 'original' and therefore written in bold. The recent argument is that the NSMB series and some handheld games shouldn't count as bold due to being a sub-series, but I believe they should be bold due to them not being remakes or re-releases.
Surely only remakes should be the ones not in bold, as all the other ones are original entries in the main series? This could help prevent the ongoing edit war. GloverMist ( talk) 10:50, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
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Just wondering, it seems to be a giant oversight to skip SMB2, especially given that there's the Japanese and "Western" versions of the game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derf Jagged ( talk • contribs) 20:56, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Hey,
Was thinking that this page and the one on the Mario franchise should get semi protection like the Nintendo and Legend of Zelda pages have. Anybody know how we can request it? - Peterjack1
Ok, thanks for the advice. Peterjack1 ( talk) 02:12, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
To explain a bit - the article was recently drastically reorganized with any discussion, consensus, or explanation. I undid it, as it was not an improvement for a few reasons. (For reference, you can see the rejected version here.
In the future, make sure you discuss radical changes to articles first, especially when it’s obviously a popular, high traffic article like this. It’s not required, but it’ll keep you from wasting a lot of time and effort with your work being undone. Sergecross73 msg me 23:55, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Fine, we can include Mario 2 in the mainline games to avoid confusion. However, they still does not justify the entire revert. The justifies editing my work, because it is not OR it is stating facts about the game and is unbiased. Peterjack1 ( talk) 03:50, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
My criteria is based on its gameplay; is it a platformer with common Mario elements? Is it seen by the general Mario community as a main series game? And if you would like me to go into more detail, here you go:
-Mario 2 is based on throwing turnips, you can’t defeat enemies by jumping on them, which is the #1 identifying mechanic of Mario, this one thing alone makes it a completely different game and if it’s name wasn’t “Mario 2” it probably wouldn’t be on the timeline.
-The Super Mario Land series isn’t really part of the main timeline; it’s kind of it’s own thing. The gameplay has the base elements but is just different and in the third game you play as Wario.
-Yoshi’s Island has the subtitle “Super Mario World 2” and has Baby Mario in it so I put it in the “other platformers” section.
-New Super Luigi U is both an add on to NSMBU and it’s own standalone game, so it could go either way I guess. Same with Super Mario Maker, it features the same 2D gameplay as the NSMB series but is a level creation game so could go either way.
Any other questions?
Peterjack1 (
talk)
04:19, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, folks. Just a friendly heads up regarding the time Miyamoto stated how he and his team felt that Yoshi's Island was a part of the core series during the 25th Super Mario anniversary. There has been a change reflected in official material since then particularly in the Super Mario Encyclopedia released for the 30th anniversary. You can find it on page 241. There's multiple plausible explanations: perhaps some nuance to the sentiment was lost along the way whether it be in his understanding of the question, the understanding on the interpreters' part, or even just a change of mind upon further reflection down the road.
Also it's worth mentioning that in page 255 of said encyclopedia that Super Mario Maker is not classified as a mainline Super Mario series game either. I imagine the change can be a bit of an adjustment especially for the sort of fans who are vested in these sort of details and that one might as well prepare for some sort of other change flying under our radar again some day. Thanks for your time! 2600:8805:8100:5F60:2D6B:C89A:25E1:EAB9 ( talk) 22:10, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
I hear you both on that and recognize it's a conflict of information on their part. The whole book was surprisingly specific with the whole "17 titles in the main series" thing (as neither Run or Odyssey were out yet) and then on page 81 they get into how members of "the Mario family" have had their own spinoff platformers. It's possible that they've come to a decision that while the game has benefited from the Mario branding, had built upon Mario's trope codifying platform styles, and contributed to the sparse amount of lore...they may have just found the lack of time spent playing as Mario in the game to be a deal breaker. Either way: in the event they recant on it, I'll sigh and chuckle about it and go "Oh, Nintendo" but the rest I leave up to youto mull it over. Thanks for your time and attention and for maintaining everything! 2600:8805:8100:5F60:2D6B:C89A:25E1:EAB9 ( talk) 02:30, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
If Wario and Yoshi are Super Mario characters,then their games belong to the Super Mario series
Sergecross73's edits are driving me nuts! Kairipines ( talk) 15:05, 4 May 2019 (UTC)