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While I understand the point of view, the problem is the actress has the exact same family name and given name as the supermodel. As both are Chinese citizens as far as we know, per Chinese regulations on their passports it's going to show exactly the same thing, Given name: FEIFEI, family name: SUN. Reversing the name order and putting a space is IMO not a way to properly disambiguate. The actress for example, is also credited as "Fei Fei Sun" in western movies like
An American In China.
Timmyshin (
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17:27, 1 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Timmyshin can you present anything to verify according to commonly recognised name because, in wikipedia, this is the main thing that matters. If I were famous and called myself Kaye G.B. as I easily could, then, if this was accepted widely, then this would be my common name.
GregKaye17:33, 1 May 2015 (UTC)reply
And you want to call yourself Kaye G.B.... why? Chinese naming order is not the same as Western naming order. Every Chinese actor (that doesn't have an English name) has their names reversed on
IMDB, e.g.
"Ziyi Zhang" also see
[1][2][3] etc. but that doesn't mean her page needs to be at "Ziyi Zhang". There's a naming convention at
WP:NC-ZH although I understand there can be different interpretations of the standard.
Timmyshin (
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17:55, 1 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Timmyshin I appreciate what your saying but, as far as
WP:UCRN is concerned rules are not the dominant factor. "Malcolm Little" can be called
Malcolm X, an anonymous artist can gain an identity as
Banksy, Kathrin Fricke can be known as
Coldmirror - See the extensive
List of pseudonyms for more examples. The question is not can the suggested name be accepted but should it be accepted.
GregKaye19:00, 1 May 2015 (UTC)reply
This is not a pseudonym, it's her birth name and the romanization didn't change either. If her magazine name was "FF Sun" or "Fay Fay Sun", then the move is obvious. Like I said, I'm not opposing the move, but you have to understand Sun Feifei, Fei Fei Sun, Sun Fei-fei, Sun Fei-Fei, Fei-fei Sun, Fei-Fei Sun, Sun Fei Fei etc. are all the exact same name, the actress for example has 2 pages on IMDB:
[4][5] and I can guarantee that she never had a conscious name change, even in Latin.
Timmyshin (
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19:09, 1 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Support "
Fei Fei Sun (model)" WP:UCN,
WP:OFFICIALNAME,
MOS:IDENTITY -- we do not use official names just because they are official. Just because the passport says something is not a reason to use it. The nominator has presented evidence that the model is frequently known by a particular spelling, so that is an acceptable name to use, since it is in common use. And just because the government says something, does not mean that the person cannot use some other name, such as
Bill Clinton is not at
William Jefferson Clinton ; though
Fei Fei Sun (model) may be a better choice, due to the two people and various ways to render names into English, applying to both people. --
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04:36, 2 May 2015 (UTC)reply
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While I understand the point of view, the problem is the actress has the exact same family name and given name as the supermodel. As both are Chinese citizens as far as we know, per Chinese regulations on their passports it's going to show exactly the same thing, Given name: FEIFEI, family name: SUN. Reversing the name order and putting a space is IMO not a way to properly disambiguate. The actress for example, is also credited as "Fei Fei Sun" in western movies like
An American In China.
Timmyshin (
talk)
17:27, 1 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Timmyshin can you present anything to verify according to commonly recognised name because, in wikipedia, this is the main thing that matters. If I were famous and called myself Kaye G.B. as I easily could, then, if this was accepted widely, then this would be my common name.
GregKaye17:33, 1 May 2015 (UTC)reply
And you want to call yourself Kaye G.B.... why? Chinese naming order is not the same as Western naming order. Every Chinese actor (that doesn't have an English name) has their names reversed on
IMDB, e.g.
"Ziyi Zhang" also see
[1][2][3] etc. but that doesn't mean her page needs to be at "Ziyi Zhang". There's a naming convention at
WP:NC-ZH although I understand there can be different interpretations of the standard.
Timmyshin (
talk)
17:55, 1 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Timmyshin I appreciate what your saying but, as far as
WP:UCRN is concerned rules are not the dominant factor. "Malcolm Little" can be called
Malcolm X, an anonymous artist can gain an identity as
Banksy, Kathrin Fricke can be known as
Coldmirror - See the extensive
List of pseudonyms for more examples. The question is not can the suggested name be accepted but should it be accepted.
GregKaye19:00, 1 May 2015 (UTC)reply
This is not a pseudonym, it's her birth name and the romanization didn't change either. If her magazine name was "FF Sun" or "Fay Fay Sun", then the move is obvious. Like I said, I'm not opposing the move, but you have to understand Sun Feifei, Fei Fei Sun, Sun Fei-fei, Sun Fei-Fei, Fei-fei Sun, Fei-Fei Sun, Sun Fei Fei etc. are all the exact same name, the actress for example has 2 pages on IMDB:
[4][5] and I can guarantee that she never had a conscious name change, even in Latin.
Timmyshin (
talk)
19:09, 1 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Support "
Fei Fei Sun (model)" WP:UCN,
WP:OFFICIALNAME,
MOS:IDENTITY -- we do not use official names just because they are official. Just because the passport says something is not a reason to use it. The nominator has presented evidence that the model is frequently known by a particular spelling, so that is an acceptable name to use, since it is in common use. And just because the government says something, does not mean that the person cannot use some other name, such as
Bill Clinton is not at
William Jefferson Clinton ; though
Fei Fei Sun (model) may be a better choice, due to the two people and various ways to render names into English, applying to both people. --
65.94.43.89 (
talk)
04:36, 2 May 2015 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
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