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User keeps reverting opening score in intro table (7-3 as discussed in main article) to 7-399 (obviously fake)
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there's a movie on cbc right now called canada russia 72 in case anybody's interested. part 2 is on tomorrow. april 10, 2006 8:00 e.t.
66.135.96.152 ( talk) 21:46, 27 May 2016 (UTC) 2 comments: That CBC movie re-hashes material from the eight DVD box set - "1972 Summit Series" ( http://www.amazon.co/72-Complete-Ultimate-Collectors-Summit/dp/B000V5A4CS), and adds other material. It encapsulates the series, as opposed to the 8 box set, which has all the games, and then some. Second comment is offered as I do not feel qualified to edit this Wikipedia page: The verbatim, or close as can be, text rendering of some of Phil Esposito's interview with Johnny Esaw in this Wikipedia entry, while top hole, lacks a great deal of what the video footage of this interview would provide visitors. I suggest the Youtube link, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFKvB3Wnzgk be referred to/linked to, in addition to the book and Montreal Press references of it. As the video footage shows, you are observing (as were all watching it 1972) at one end of the arena while there are still a small number of game attendees milling about in the stands on the opposite end. The eyes of both Esaw and Esposito aren't idly looking off camera as they talk. They are looking at some of the very fans/Canadians Esposito is talking about, at their end of the rink. They are heckling him, and all his Team Canada teammates, coaches, trainers, etc. Its a bit perplexing why video is not included of this, while the skate-kicking incident does get footage.
Just thought I would add that the office title of the series was the friendship series-- Mrebus 16:14, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
In case anybody wants to debate this title of Paul Henderson's game winning goal, there are reliable sources at http://www.1972summitseries.com/goalheardaroundtheworld.html and http://www.hhof.com/html/t7gm02.shtml among other places. If somebody wants to add Foster Hewitt's play-by-play quote, I think that would be pretty cool. "Here's a shot. Henderson makes a wild stab for it and falls. Here's another shot. Right in front. They score! Henderson scores for Canada!" Millsy62 05:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
The section "The Games" used to end with a Canadian-jingoist slant. So I changed this, but as others pointed out, I went too far the other way. The current version is a compromise. I don't much like it (and I wrote it and I was trying). As Andrwsc says, it seems tough to do properly.
Michael Dorosh would like a citation for the statement "In the Soviet Union, many people thought that their country would have won if the Canadians had not fractured the ankle of their best player". If a citation is needed for this, then there are several other statements in the section that should also require a citation! The quoted statement is surely obvious: (i) the eight-game series was so close that it was decided in the final minute and (ii) Kharlamov was arguably the best player in the series--on either team (he could go up against two NHL linesmen and go through/around them to score: no one in the NHL could do that). So it is pretty natural to speculate that if Kharlamov had not had his ankle fractured, the Soviets would have performed at least a little better, and so won the series. Moreover, the slashing of Kharlamov's ankle by Clarke was captured clearly on TV, and so it could be (and was) shown repeatedly afterwards; naturally, people will then talk about it. Daphne A 06:44, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
In fact, many of "The Games" sections are still stilted and incorporate unprofessional language. Example: "The game also featured one of the most disgraceful plays in hockey history." in Game 7. There's no need for superlatives like that in this article. Chris 18:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I think this part doesn't have a place in the wiki:
"Some observers felt that this series would serve to contrast two very different ways of life. It pitted the centrally planned society of the Soviets against the free society of Canada and the West. Victory in this series would thus be interpreted by some as a validation of the victor's society as a whole."
First: the soviet society was not centrally planed, it is impossible to do that with a society, it was centrally planed economy. If some US people think the cold war was "freedom" against "opression" doesn't mean it was like that. Then, what kind of observer does think that the victor would validate his society above the other?. Maybe the national honor, or the sport management were in the game... but the "better society" title? doubt it. At least cite the crazy source that believes it.-- Bauta 16:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I see a bias -- Clarke deliberately slashes and breaks Kharlamov's ankle, that is termed "the most controversial play of the entire series"; Mikhailov kicks Bergman with his skate, that is termed "one of the most disgraceful plays in hockey history." Or is it just me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.192.42.215 ( talk) 06:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the above statement. There is a bias and i think it should be removed. I personally have come across very little evidence in my life growing up with hockey that backs up the quote "one of the most disgraceful plays in hockey history." referring to using the skate as a weapon, it is not a cardinal sin of hockey and in saying so is a bias I feel. I have found violent stick work has been punished far more severly and is sadly far more common. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.166.21.128 ( talk) 17:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
"I have found violent stick work has been punished far more severly and is sadly far more common." More common? Surely. Punished more severely? Only because skate violence is so rare that punishment is rarely needed. But using one's skate as a weapon is an automatic match penalty and would result in a severe suspension in all levels of hockey, professional and amateur, everywhere in the world. Cutting somebody open with a skate blade could be lethal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djob ( talk • contribs) 23:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Are any of you guys canadian? No? Then you don't understand how we felt - yes, it was the cold war, in all it's meaning. Cocky, independant individuals against robotic soldiers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.222.148.24 ( talk) 01:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Why is there no stats on it at the bottom ?
I have assessed this article as B Class, given its level of detail and organization, but it requires more in-line citations and referencing. I have assessed this as low importance, as it is a highly specific event within Canada. Cheers, CP 16:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page from "Summit Series" to "1972 Summit Series", per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 00:46, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I've requested to move it to 1972 Summit Series. Because it should be distinguished from 1974 Summit Series and 2007 Summit Series, the article doesn't cover any of them. Cmapm ( talk) 20:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Moscow is given as the city for game 5, but the location is not given for any of the next three games. I had a feeling facts would take a back seat when I saw the account of game six begin "Game Six was a Canadian 3-2 victory." MaxEnt ( talk) 06:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
It says: "am Canada took a number of questionable early penalties (which wasn't surprising to Canadians, as they were the same referees who were accused of being biased in Game 6.)"
As far as I know, only one refee ws the same, see article
Franz Baader (ice hockey):
"Alan Eagleson, a key organizer from Canada of the Series had threatened to depart from Moscow, where the game was being played. He had reached an agreement with the Canadian team about the possible departure. However, an agreement was reached, with Kompalla and Bata being the referees for Game 8."
The Article says "At that point, with the score tied 5-5 and the series tied 3-3-1, a member of the Soviet delegation unexpectedly informed Canada that, if the score and the series remained tied, the Soviets would claim victory on goal differential." I didn't find any proof for that statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eltirion ( talk • contribs) 09:50, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
A common mistake is to refer to the Sweden and Czech games of the series as "exhibition" games. The entire series was an exhibition series. In fact, at the time of this series the Russians were not the World Champions... the Czechs were, which Canada played in the last game. It's true that they weren't as important as the Russian games and the Sweden games weren't even televised in Canada. However, "exhibition" infers that the games against Russia carried some official title. A better word than exhibition would be "supplementary". —Preceding unsigned comment added by BashBrannigan ( talk • contribs) 17:18, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
I played in Detroit after the Olympics, and all the guys were talking about playing the Russians. After skating with Detroit, I thought, 'Wow, these guys aren't that good.' After playing against the Russians and international competition, I thought, 'Shit, these guys are just a bunch of arrogant Canadians.' The National Hockey League was a beer and pizza league at that time. I was thinking how arrogant the guys in the NHL are. They were so arrogant thinking, 'We'll kick their ass. They're just amateurs.'
What relevance does this quote have with the article? The last line coincides with the view held by the players and country before the series, not after. Honestly seems out of place and acts as a commentary towards the talent pool of the NHL after the '68 expansion. 173.35.19.161 ( talk) 16:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Two things. One. I can't find a reliable source cite for Clarke's slash stating that it was a fracture. I don't think that unsourced web sites are good enough. Two, it was not the only controversy, so it shouldn't have its own section. But I'm open to either approach. Time for some editor input. ʘ alaney2k ʘ ( talk) 14:48, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
This was by far the main Controversy of the Series - if you have a source saying it wasn't please show because there are hundreds of thousands of articles over the years discussing this as the main focal point and "low-point" of the series.
Adding tag because you re-wrote this as a comic book with odd style and biased perceptions and enforcements,. Broken bone link added (ESPN).
HonestopL 16:32, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Here you go (I could add about 20-30 more that say the same thing) "Why then was Bobby Clarke, not only the Flyers’ captain but the guy who broke Valery Kharlamov’s ankle with a, uh, let’s call it, a “violent, controversial, but ultimately successful” slash in Game 6 of the 1972 Summit Series against the USSR, enshrined in 1987?" http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/islanders/enshrine_shero_already_ax7OstToM3NjEwummlpi5J
"This game also featured the most controversial play of the series. Philadelphia Flyers Bobby Clarke was instructed by Team Canada’s bench to stop the high-flying Soviet star and captain, Valeri Kharlamov. During his next shift Clarke deliberately slashed Kharlomov and broke his ankle." http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/12/28/cold-war-on-ice-summit-series-72-airs-on-nbc-sports-network-debut-day-on-january-2/114819/
"CNNSI.com: What about the controversy surrounding your criticism of Bobby Clarke for his slash on Valery Kharlamov? " http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/news/2002/09/27/henderson_interview/
HonestopL 16:42, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
I see what you mean - I don't want to accuse you of anything, you look like a decent editor who loves hockey like me, we just got off the wrong foot I guess.
A bone-fracture is technically "a brake/broken", just saying the sources do confirm is was severe and very controversial (perhaps the most). I would like just something that gives more notability (like a subsection heading)? I just feel the admissions by Kharlamov making the accusations (as Sports Experts have), and Clarke & Ferguson (later Henderson) over the years since the the slash pretty much confirmed suspicions that part of Team Canada's coaches and its players had a part in purposefully injuring the Soviet's (and one of the World's) Best players.
"Kharlamov was killing us...somebody had to do it". I'm satisfied the way it is presently, but if possible, some type of section(ing) possible I would greatly appreciate to give it greater distinction. HonestopL 02:29, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank You for fixing it, very satisfied with the edits! HonestopL 05:19, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
The section is a bit one-sided and has little reaction from Clarke other than the presented out of context "Flin Flon" quote. For one, it presents the slash as if the big bad Clarke targeted poor little Kharlamov out of nowhere. Clarke: "As for the episode you've mentioned, we were going for the puck together, he pushed me with the stick, then turned around and skated away. I caught up with him and hit him on the leg, not thinking at all where and how I hit." He further said: ''"For us it was normal. The thing is that we, Canadians, are used to fighting as an integral part of hockey. When you have “misunderstandings” like this, they are often solved with the fists. Soviet hockey had no fights so the players used other methods to get the point accross. Like a little bit of “stick work” here and there, you know. And I personally don't mind this. I am a tough player and I respect toughness in others. But if I am poked with a stick I will do the same. We just had to adapt to the new ways of doing things, that’s all." [1] Thus the Flin Flon quote. In the same interview he denies knowing that Kharlamov's ankle was "already sore" (how is it known his ankle was "already sore", exactly? I doubt the Soviets would broadcast that fact) and he denies Ferguson telling him what is quoted in this article. -- Phifly ( talk) 05:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Maybe switch the boxscores to the standard ones used in articles like 2012 Stanley Cup Finals or 2012 Stanley Cup playoffs? Jmj713 ( talk) 16:54, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add boxscores for the exhibition games too? Jmj713 ( talk) 15:29, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Apparently, a team called Russian Legends has been playing commemorative games in Russia, Europe, and the US, for the 40th anniversary of the Summit Series, culminating with a game between Russian and Canadian Legends teams ( [2]). There's an official website, but it's difficult to make sense of the schedule of games and who's exactly involved ( [3]). I haven't researched this deeply enough, just stumbled upon it, but I think this definitely should be mentioned here, with a separate article to build later on. Jmj713 ( talk) 16:04, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
I still think the Legacy section should be fleshed out more with information regarding these Legends games, at least a list could be added of games specifically played by Canadians and Russian legends and stars in commemoration of '72. Jmj713 ( talk) 17:49, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
As much as I would like to glorify the 1972 Summit series I don't think it is fair to say it was played during the "height" of the Cold War. If anything tensions were actually pretty relaxed during the 70s (see: Détante). The height would be in the early 50s, 1962 (see: Cuban missile crisis) or in the early 80s Second Cold War. Kndimov ( talk) 00:57, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
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Should we mention something about the missing injured and WHA players that were not allowed to play?
The Missing
Thanks ChanziP ( talk) 17:40, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
@ ChanziP: Gordie Howe retired in 1971 and signed with the Houston Aeros on September 30, 1973. AFTER the Summit Series. He was retired during the Series, despite what thetyee.ca says:
Please stop adding Gordie Howe to this article Alaney2k ( talk) 20:06, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
I suspect the paragraph beginning "Sinden told the players to try to get one back quickly..." refers to between periods, but nowhere is there a statement indicating when the third period started. Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 22:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Obviously, Soviet television (first program, which was carried nationwide?) carried Games 5 through 8 using their own cameras.
How did Soviet television cover the four games in Canada? With their own cameras? Or did they pick up CBC/CTV cameras, convert to their broadcast signal type and add their own commentator? GBC ( talk) 22:38, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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Bomb319 (
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there's a movie on cbc right now called canada russia 72 in case anybody's interested. part 2 is on tomorrow. april 10, 2006 8:00 e.t.
66.135.96.152 ( talk) 21:46, 27 May 2016 (UTC) 2 comments: That CBC movie re-hashes material from the eight DVD box set - "1972 Summit Series" ( http://www.amazon.co/72-Complete-Ultimate-Collectors-Summit/dp/B000V5A4CS), and adds other material. It encapsulates the series, as opposed to the 8 box set, which has all the games, and then some. Second comment is offered as I do not feel qualified to edit this Wikipedia page: The verbatim, or close as can be, text rendering of some of Phil Esposito's interview with Johnny Esaw in this Wikipedia entry, while top hole, lacks a great deal of what the video footage of this interview would provide visitors. I suggest the Youtube link, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFKvB3Wnzgk be referred to/linked to, in addition to the book and Montreal Press references of it. As the video footage shows, you are observing (as were all watching it 1972) at one end of the arena while there are still a small number of game attendees milling about in the stands on the opposite end. The eyes of both Esaw and Esposito aren't idly looking off camera as they talk. They are looking at some of the very fans/Canadians Esposito is talking about, at their end of the rink. They are heckling him, and all his Team Canada teammates, coaches, trainers, etc. Its a bit perplexing why video is not included of this, while the skate-kicking incident does get footage.
Just thought I would add that the office title of the series was the friendship series-- Mrebus 16:14, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
In case anybody wants to debate this title of Paul Henderson's game winning goal, there are reliable sources at http://www.1972summitseries.com/goalheardaroundtheworld.html and http://www.hhof.com/html/t7gm02.shtml among other places. If somebody wants to add Foster Hewitt's play-by-play quote, I think that would be pretty cool. "Here's a shot. Henderson makes a wild stab for it and falls. Here's another shot. Right in front. They score! Henderson scores for Canada!" Millsy62 05:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
The section "The Games" used to end with a Canadian-jingoist slant. So I changed this, but as others pointed out, I went too far the other way. The current version is a compromise. I don't much like it (and I wrote it and I was trying). As Andrwsc says, it seems tough to do properly.
Michael Dorosh would like a citation for the statement "In the Soviet Union, many people thought that their country would have won if the Canadians had not fractured the ankle of their best player". If a citation is needed for this, then there are several other statements in the section that should also require a citation! The quoted statement is surely obvious: (i) the eight-game series was so close that it was decided in the final minute and (ii) Kharlamov was arguably the best player in the series--on either team (he could go up against two NHL linesmen and go through/around them to score: no one in the NHL could do that). So it is pretty natural to speculate that if Kharlamov had not had his ankle fractured, the Soviets would have performed at least a little better, and so won the series. Moreover, the slashing of Kharlamov's ankle by Clarke was captured clearly on TV, and so it could be (and was) shown repeatedly afterwards; naturally, people will then talk about it. Daphne A 06:44, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
In fact, many of "The Games" sections are still stilted and incorporate unprofessional language. Example: "The game also featured one of the most disgraceful plays in hockey history." in Game 7. There's no need for superlatives like that in this article. Chris 18:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I think this part doesn't have a place in the wiki:
"Some observers felt that this series would serve to contrast two very different ways of life. It pitted the centrally planned society of the Soviets against the free society of Canada and the West. Victory in this series would thus be interpreted by some as a validation of the victor's society as a whole."
First: the soviet society was not centrally planed, it is impossible to do that with a society, it was centrally planed economy. If some US people think the cold war was "freedom" against "opression" doesn't mean it was like that. Then, what kind of observer does think that the victor would validate his society above the other?. Maybe the national honor, or the sport management were in the game... but the "better society" title? doubt it. At least cite the crazy source that believes it.-- Bauta 16:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I see a bias -- Clarke deliberately slashes and breaks Kharlamov's ankle, that is termed "the most controversial play of the entire series"; Mikhailov kicks Bergman with his skate, that is termed "one of the most disgraceful plays in hockey history." Or is it just me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.192.42.215 ( talk) 06:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the above statement. There is a bias and i think it should be removed. I personally have come across very little evidence in my life growing up with hockey that backs up the quote "one of the most disgraceful plays in hockey history." referring to using the skate as a weapon, it is not a cardinal sin of hockey and in saying so is a bias I feel. I have found violent stick work has been punished far more severly and is sadly far more common. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.166.21.128 ( talk) 17:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
"I have found violent stick work has been punished far more severly and is sadly far more common." More common? Surely. Punished more severely? Only because skate violence is so rare that punishment is rarely needed. But using one's skate as a weapon is an automatic match penalty and would result in a severe suspension in all levels of hockey, professional and amateur, everywhere in the world. Cutting somebody open with a skate blade could be lethal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djob ( talk • contribs) 23:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Are any of you guys canadian? No? Then you don't understand how we felt - yes, it was the cold war, in all it's meaning. Cocky, independant individuals against robotic soldiers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.222.148.24 ( talk) 01:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Why is there no stats on it at the bottom ?
I have assessed this article as B Class, given its level of detail and organization, but it requires more in-line citations and referencing. I have assessed this as low importance, as it is a highly specific event within Canada. Cheers, CP 16:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page from "Summit Series" to "1972 Summit Series", per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 00:46, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I've requested to move it to 1972 Summit Series. Because it should be distinguished from 1974 Summit Series and 2007 Summit Series, the article doesn't cover any of them. Cmapm ( talk) 20:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Moscow is given as the city for game 5, but the location is not given for any of the next three games. I had a feeling facts would take a back seat when I saw the account of game six begin "Game Six was a Canadian 3-2 victory." MaxEnt ( talk) 06:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
It says: "am Canada took a number of questionable early penalties (which wasn't surprising to Canadians, as they were the same referees who were accused of being biased in Game 6.)"
As far as I know, only one refee ws the same, see article
Franz Baader (ice hockey):
"Alan Eagleson, a key organizer from Canada of the Series had threatened to depart from Moscow, where the game was being played. He had reached an agreement with the Canadian team about the possible departure. However, an agreement was reached, with Kompalla and Bata being the referees for Game 8."
The Article says "At that point, with the score tied 5-5 and the series tied 3-3-1, a member of the Soviet delegation unexpectedly informed Canada that, if the score and the series remained tied, the Soviets would claim victory on goal differential." I didn't find any proof for that statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eltirion ( talk • contribs) 09:50, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
A common mistake is to refer to the Sweden and Czech games of the series as "exhibition" games. The entire series was an exhibition series. In fact, at the time of this series the Russians were not the World Champions... the Czechs were, which Canada played in the last game. It's true that they weren't as important as the Russian games and the Sweden games weren't even televised in Canada. However, "exhibition" infers that the games against Russia carried some official title. A better word than exhibition would be "supplementary". —Preceding unsigned comment added by BashBrannigan ( talk • contribs) 17:18, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
I played in Detroit after the Olympics, and all the guys were talking about playing the Russians. After skating with Detroit, I thought, 'Wow, these guys aren't that good.' After playing against the Russians and international competition, I thought, 'Shit, these guys are just a bunch of arrogant Canadians.' The National Hockey League was a beer and pizza league at that time. I was thinking how arrogant the guys in the NHL are. They were so arrogant thinking, 'We'll kick their ass. They're just amateurs.'
What relevance does this quote have with the article? The last line coincides with the view held by the players and country before the series, not after. Honestly seems out of place and acts as a commentary towards the talent pool of the NHL after the '68 expansion. 173.35.19.161 ( talk) 16:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Two things. One. I can't find a reliable source cite for Clarke's slash stating that it was a fracture. I don't think that unsourced web sites are good enough. Two, it was not the only controversy, so it shouldn't have its own section. But I'm open to either approach. Time for some editor input. ʘ alaney2k ʘ ( talk) 14:48, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
This was by far the main Controversy of the Series - if you have a source saying it wasn't please show because there are hundreds of thousands of articles over the years discussing this as the main focal point and "low-point" of the series.
Adding tag because you re-wrote this as a comic book with odd style and biased perceptions and enforcements,. Broken bone link added (ESPN).
HonestopL 16:32, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Here you go (I could add about 20-30 more that say the same thing) "Why then was Bobby Clarke, not only the Flyers’ captain but the guy who broke Valery Kharlamov’s ankle with a, uh, let’s call it, a “violent, controversial, but ultimately successful” slash in Game 6 of the 1972 Summit Series against the USSR, enshrined in 1987?" http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/islanders/enshrine_shero_already_ax7OstToM3NjEwummlpi5J
"This game also featured the most controversial play of the series. Philadelphia Flyers Bobby Clarke was instructed by Team Canada’s bench to stop the high-flying Soviet star and captain, Valeri Kharlamov. During his next shift Clarke deliberately slashed Kharlomov and broke his ankle." http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/12/28/cold-war-on-ice-summit-series-72-airs-on-nbc-sports-network-debut-day-on-january-2/114819/
"CNNSI.com: What about the controversy surrounding your criticism of Bobby Clarke for his slash on Valery Kharlamov? " http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/news/2002/09/27/henderson_interview/
HonestopL 16:42, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
I see what you mean - I don't want to accuse you of anything, you look like a decent editor who loves hockey like me, we just got off the wrong foot I guess.
A bone-fracture is technically "a brake/broken", just saying the sources do confirm is was severe and very controversial (perhaps the most). I would like just something that gives more notability (like a subsection heading)? I just feel the admissions by Kharlamov making the accusations (as Sports Experts have), and Clarke & Ferguson (later Henderson) over the years since the the slash pretty much confirmed suspicions that part of Team Canada's coaches and its players had a part in purposefully injuring the Soviet's (and one of the World's) Best players.
"Kharlamov was killing us...somebody had to do it". I'm satisfied the way it is presently, but if possible, some type of section(ing) possible I would greatly appreciate to give it greater distinction. HonestopL 02:29, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank You for fixing it, very satisfied with the edits! HonestopL 05:19, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
The section is a bit one-sided and has little reaction from Clarke other than the presented out of context "Flin Flon" quote. For one, it presents the slash as if the big bad Clarke targeted poor little Kharlamov out of nowhere. Clarke: "As for the episode you've mentioned, we were going for the puck together, he pushed me with the stick, then turned around and skated away. I caught up with him and hit him on the leg, not thinking at all where and how I hit." He further said: ''"For us it was normal. The thing is that we, Canadians, are used to fighting as an integral part of hockey. When you have “misunderstandings” like this, they are often solved with the fists. Soviet hockey had no fights so the players used other methods to get the point accross. Like a little bit of “stick work” here and there, you know. And I personally don't mind this. I am a tough player and I respect toughness in others. But if I am poked with a stick I will do the same. We just had to adapt to the new ways of doing things, that’s all." [1] Thus the Flin Flon quote. In the same interview he denies knowing that Kharlamov's ankle was "already sore" (how is it known his ankle was "already sore", exactly? I doubt the Soviets would broadcast that fact) and he denies Ferguson telling him what is quoted in this article. -- Phifly ( talk) 05:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Maybe switch the boxscores to the standard ones used in articles like 2012 Stanley Cup Finals or 2012 Stanley Cup playoffs? Jmj713 ( talk) 16:54, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add boxscores for the exhibition games too? Jmj713 ( talk) 15:29, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Apparently, a team called Russian Legends has been playing commemorative games in Russia, Europe, and the US, for the 40th anniversary of the Summit Series, culminating with a game between Russian and Canadian Legends teams ( [2]). There's an official website, but it's difficult to make sense of the schedule of games and who's exactly involved ( [3]). I haven't researched this deeply enough, just stumbled upon it, but I think this definitely should be mentioned here, with a separate article to build later on. Jmj713 ( talk) 16:04, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
I still think the Legacy section should be fleshed out more with information regarding these Legends games, at least a list could be added of games specifically played by Canadians and Russian legends and stars in commemoration of '72. Jmj713 ( talk) 17:49, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
As much as I would like to glorify the 1972 Summit series I don't think it is fair to say it was played during the "height" of the Cold War. If anything tensions were actually pretty relaxed during the 70s (see: Détante). The height would be in the early 50s, 1962 (see: Cuban missile crisis) or in the early 80s Second Cold War. Kndimov ( talk) 00:57, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
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I have read the entire article. It is quite long! It is nicely written and a good candidate for GA criteria, especially with the current WikiProject page assessments at B-class. Their are a few things to point out which will be noted at the level below this. -- ///EuroCar GT 01:24, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
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Should we mention something about the missing injured and WHA players that were not allowed to play?
The Missing
Thanks ChanziP ( talk) 17:40, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
@ ChanziP: Gordie Howe retired in 1971 and signed with the Houston Aeros on September 30, 1973. AFTER the Summit Series. He was retired during the Series, despite what thetyee.ca says:
Please stop adding Gordie Howe to this article Alaney2k ( talk) 20:06, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
I suspect the paragraph beginning "Sinden told the players to try to get one back quickly..." refers to between periods, but nowhere is there a statement indicating when the third period started. Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 22:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Obviously, Soviet television (first program, which was carried nationwide?) carried Games 5 through 8 using their own cameras.
How did Soviet television cover the four games in Canada? With their own cameras? Or did they pick up CBC/CTV cameras, convert to their broadcast signal type and add their own commentator? GBC ( talk) 22:38, 24 November 2023 (UTC)