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I think time has come to order a bit the titles in the Ottoman "family", as there no more is a "dynasty". We all know that the head of state was called Sultan and his mother,
Valide Sultan. The sons of
Ottoman Sultans were called "Şehzade" and daughters also "Sultan"" like their father; with the difference between the male sultan and the female one being that in this latter case, the title comes after the name, not before, as it is in the case of men: (Valide) Turhan Sultan (mother), Hürrem Sultan (wife) and Esma Sultan (daughter) are examples; although the use of "sultan" for wives is kind of rare and optional. As regards the third generation, the male offspring from sons (şehzades) are also "şehzade" like their father, and the daughters are "sultan" as if their father were head of state. As regards Ottoman princesses, when a female "sultan" has a daughter that is called "hanım sultan" and the sons "beyzade". In other words, there was a difference between a granddaughter of a head of state if she was born from a daughter or a son of the sovereign. Those who were daughters of "şehzade"s were "sultan"s like their paternal aunts -or like their grandfather in a sense- and those who were daughters of female "sultans" (daughters of a head of state or of a "şehzade") were/are only "hanım sultan". As regards fourth generation, the son or daughter of a "hanım sultan" or "beyzade" has no title, while the "şehzades" continue to have "şehzades" (sons) and "sultans" (daughters). Those who wish to learn more may
readNecdet Sakaoğlu or
Murat Bardakçı. Will this help improve any article? I believe yes. If you do not believe so, we may move it to my sandbox or wait for it to disappear when this not notable article is deleted... Thanks. --
E4024 (
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20:12, 8 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Sultan, Hanimsultan and Sultanzade
This designation, Beyzade has nothing to do with the Ottoman dynasty.
Murat Bardakci article is wrong.
Beyzade was the son of a bey.
The sons of Ottoman princesses were always named Sultanzade.
Murat Bardakci is no reliable source.
Even today, the descendants are called Sultanzade.
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I think time has come to order a bit the titles in the Ottoman "family", as there no more is a "dynasty". We all know that the head of state was called Sultan and his mother,
Valide Sultan. The sons of
Ottoman Sultans were called "Şehzade" and daughters also "Sultan"" like their father; with the difference between the male sultan and the female one being that in this latter case, the title comes after the name, not before, as it is in the case of men: (Valide) Turhan Sultan (mother), Hürrem Sultan (wife) and Esma Sultan (daughter) are examples; although the use of "sultan" for wives is kind of rare and optional. As regards the third generation, the male offspring from sons (şehzades) are also "şehzade" like their father, and the daughters are "sultan" as if their father were head of state. As regards Ottoman princesses, when a female "sultan" has a daughter that is called "hanım sultan" and the sons "beyzade". In other words, there was a difference between a granddaughter of a head of state if she was born from a daughter or a son of the sovereign. Those who were daughters of "şehzade"s were "sultan"s like their paternal aunts -or like their grandfather in a sense- and those who were daughters of female "sultans" (daughters of a head of state or of a "şehzade") were/are only "hanım sultan". As regards fourth generation, the son or daughter of a "hanım sultan" or "beyzade" has no title, while the "şehzades" continue to have "şehzades" (sons) and "sultans" (daughters). Those who wish to learn more may
readNecdet Sakaoğlu or
Murat Bardakçı. Will this help improve any article? I believe yes. If you do not believe so, we may move it to my sandbox or wait for it to disappear when this not notable article is deleted... Thanks. --
E4024 (
talk)
20:12, 8 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Sultan, Hanimsultan and Sultanzade
This designation, Beyzade has nothing to do with the Ottoman dynasty.
Murat Bardakci article is wrong.
Beyzade was the son of a bey.
The sons of Ottoman princesses were always named Sultanzade.
Murat Bardakci is no reliable source.
Even today, the descendants are called Sultanzade.