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Shouldn't the IPA for the surname be /ˈbrævərmən/? Source: Locks Heath Free Church Sunday service celebration - YouTube (pronounced by Braverman herself at 0:08) 194.156.7.13 ( talk) 06:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
This writing is a complete propaganda joke. 2601:1C2:4E00:3E90:2C46:DF2F:97FF:73C5 ( talk) 19:53, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
The lead says "who was home secretary from September 2022 to October 2022 and again from October 2022 to November 2023". Wouldn't that be clearer as "home secretary from September 2022 to November 2023, barring a small period in October 2022"? 128.41.63.144 ( talk) 09:33, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
One of your contributors inaccurately portrayed the events surrounding Suella's departure by stating that she was dismissed in the reshuffle. This information is incorrect. To clarify, Suella was initially terminated, and the reshuffle was subsequently announced separately on the same day. It is essential to ensure that this distinction is accurately reflected in the lead of the article. 2.96.195.142 ( talk) 12:05, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
The same user keeps distorting the lead section. Can someone do the right thing and insert the accurate wording? 2.96.195.142 ( talk) 19:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Er @ Tim O'Doherty:… she is called Suella Braverman. You will observe that this is actually the title of the article. Sweet6970 ( talk) 20:37, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
If a person has a common English-language hypocorism (diminutive or abbreviation) used in lieu of a given name, it is not presented between quotation marks or parentheses within or after their name.Johnny Depp is another example. Keivan.f Talk 20:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
It is not always necessary to spell out why the article title and lead paragraph give a different name. If a person has a common English-language hypocorism (diminutive or abbreviation)[which is what "Suella" is]
used in lieu of a given name, it is not presented between quotation marks or parentheses within or after their name". Also, what about "Suella" is uniquely British? Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 20:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
If a person is known by a nickname used in lieu of or in addition to a given name, and it is not a common hypocorism[h] of one of their names, or a professional alias, it is usually presented between double quotation marks following the last given name or initial. The quotation marks are not put in lead-section boldface.- which is exactly what this article previously did. Sweet6970 ( talk) 20:46, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Suella Braverman (born Sue-Ellen Fernandes, 3 April 1980) is a British politician.... — kashmīrī TALK 22:21, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Bill Gates (born William Henry Gates III; October 28, 1955) is an American businessman...". Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 22:25, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Tim O'Doherty, Why? Do you really believe that nobody will click these links? Not single of these sources mention that her name is Sue-Ellen. All of them refer to Braverman as Suella and the only time they use "Sue-Ellen" is in the following two phrases: born Sue-Ellen
and Sue-Ellen was born
. All of them thus indicate that Sue-Ellen was her name in the past. —
kashmīrī
TALK 20:13, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin (born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili). He did not legally change his name – he simply started using a slightly different name form (Iosep –> Yosif (Russian)). Yes, Braverman stopped using her birth name Sue-Ellen and at some point started using the name Suella, she and everybody else, including government bodies, are using it exclusively, and there's absurdly vast amount of evidence for it. — kashmīrī TALK 23:14, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
She is still Sue-EllenYou will need strong sources for that, for all the high-quality sources call her Suella. — kashmīrī TALK 16:05, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
She changed her name to Suella Braverman, having married South African business executive Rael Braverman in 2019.[3] She did not "shorten" her name, she did not "began using another name". She changed her name. Is this source clear enough? — kashmīrī TALK 19:44, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Notice is hereby given that by Deed Poll dated 3rd September 1980 and enrolled in the Supreme Court of Judicature on 15th September 1980, CLIFF RICHARD of Feather Green, a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by birth, abandoned the name of Harry Rodger Webb and assumed the name of Cliff Richard–12th September 1980. You have to get an 'enrolled' deed poll via the Royal Courts of Justice to change your name. You can make your own deed poll but it's not accepted everywhere. I cannot find a source indicating that Braverman has gone down any of these routes. And she surely knows what a deed poll is. Keivan.f Talk 20:52, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
As I have said above – you do NOT need to go through any legal procedure to change your name in this country. Even the source provided by
Keivan.f confirms this: You do not have to follow a legal process to start using a new name. But you might need a ‘deed poll’ to apply for or to change official documents like your passport or driving licence.
You do NOT need a deed poll to change your name.
Sweet6970 (
talk) 21:20, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
You do not need to have to follow a legal process to start using a new name.Which means that starting tomorrow she may decide to be known as "Potato Sacks". That does not necessarily mean that her passport and license are also going to feature the name "Potato Sacks" unless she makes it legally official via a deed poll. An example includes people with dual UK/US citizenships who change their names in the UK via a deed poll (or change of name deed), and then this change is reflected in their US passports as well. Keivan.f Talk 21:33, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Suella Braverman (born Sue-Ellen Cassiana Fernandes)). But it's not a hill I'm willing to die on, especially given my personal opinion on the article subject. — kashmīrī TALK 01:26, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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Shouldn't the IPA for the surname be /ˈbrævərmən/? Source: Locks Heath Free Church Sunday service celebration - YouTube (pronounced by Braverman herself at 0:08) 194.156.7.13 ( talk) 06:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
This writing is a complete propaganda joke. 2601:1C2:4E00:3E90:2C46:DF2F:97FF:73C5 ( talk) 19:53, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
The lead says "who was home secretary from September 2022 to October 2022 and again from October 2022 to November 2023". Wouldn't that be clearer as "home secretary from September 2022 to November 2023, barring a small period in October 2022"? 128.41.63.144 ( talk) 09:33, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
One of your contributors inaccurately portrayed the events surrounding Suella's departure by stating that she was dismissed in the reshuffle. This information is incorrect. To clarify, Suella was initially terminated, and the reshuffle was subsequently announced separately on the same day. It is essential to ensure that this distinction is accurately reflected in the lead of the article. 2.96.195.142 ( talk) 12:05, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
The same user keeps distorting the lead section. Can someone do the right thing and insert the accurate wording? 2.96.195.142 ( talk) 19:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Er @ Tim O'Doherty:… she is called Suella Braverman. You will observe that this is actually the title of the article. Sweet6970 ( talk) 20:37, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
If a person has a common English-language hypocorism (diminutive or abbreviation) used in lieu of a given name, it is not presented between quotation marks or parentheses within or after their name.Johnny Depp is another example. Keivan.f Talk 20:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
It is not always necessary to spell out why the article title and lead paragraph give a different name. If a person has a common English-language hypocorism (diminutive or abbreviation)[which is what "Suella" is]
used in lieu of a given name, it is not presented between quotation marks or parentheses within or after their name". Also, what about "Suella" is uniquely British? Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 20:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
If a person is known by a nickname used in lieu of or in addition to a given name, and it is not a common hypocorism[h] of one of their names, or a professional alias, it is usually presented between double quotation marks following the last given name or initial. The quotation marks are not put in lead-section boldface.- which is exactly what this article previously did. Sweet6970 ( talk) 20:46, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Suella Braverman (born Sue-Ellen Fernandes, 3 April 1980) is a British politician.... — kashmīrī TALK 22:21, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Bill Gates (born William Henry Gates III; October 28, 1955) is an American businessman...". Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 22:25, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Tim O'Doherty, Why? Do you really believe that nobody will click these links? Not single of these sources mention that her name is Sue-Ellen. All of them refer to Braverman as Suella and the only time they use "Sue-Ellen" is in the following two phrases: born Sue-Ellen
and Sue-Ellen was born
. All of them thus indicate that Sue-Ellen was her name in the past. —
kashmīrī
TALK 20:13, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin (born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili). He did not legally change his name – he simply started using a slightly different name form (Iosep –> Yosif (Russian)). Yes, Braverman stopped using her birth name Sue-Ellen and at some point started using the name Suella, she and everybody else, including government bodies, are using it exclusively, and there's absurdly vast amount of evidence for it. — kashmīrī TALK 23:14, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
She is still Sue-EllenYou will need strong sources for that, for all the high-quality sources call her Suella. — kashmīrī TALK 16:05, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
She changed her name to Suella Braverman, having married South African business executive Rael Braverman in 2019.[3] She did not "shorten" her name, she did not "began using another name". She changed her name. Is this source clear enough? — kashmīrī TALK 19:44, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Notice is hereby given that by Deed Poll dated 3rd September 1980 and enrolled in the Supreme Court of Judicature on 15th September 1980, CLIFF RICHARD of Feather Green, a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by birth, abandoned the name of Harry Rodger Webb and assumed the name of Cliff Richard–12th September 1980. You have to get an 'enrolled' deed poll via the Royal Courts of Justice to change your name. You can make your own deed poll but it's not accepted everywhere. I cannot find a source indicating that Braverman has gone down any of these routes. And she surely knows what a deed poll is. Keivan.f Talk 20:52, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
As I have said above – you do NOT need to go through any legal procedure to change your name in this country. Even the source provided by
Keivan.f confirms this: You do not have to follow a legal process to start using a new name. But you might need a ‘deed poll’ to apply for or to change official documents like your passport or driving licence.
You do NOT need a deed poll to change your name.
Sweet6970 (
talk) 21:20, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
You do not need to have to follow a legal process to start using a new name.Which means that starting tomorrow she may decide to be known as "Potato Sacks". That does not necessarily mean that her passport and license are also going to feature the name "Potato Sacks" unless she makes it legally official via a deed poll. An example includes people with dual UK/US citizenships who change their names in the UK via a deed poll (or change of name deed), and then this change is reflected in their US passports as well. Keivan.f Talk 21:33, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Suella Braverman (born Sue-Ellen Cassiana Fernandes)). But it's not a hill I'm willing to die on, especially given my personal opinion on the article subject. — kashmīrī TALK 01:26, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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