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I think it should be merged with Subtropical climate Amirpedia 14:09, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Should this be merged with the article Subtropics? -- Editor B 17:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Why is there a picture of Subtropical Depression 22 in the article? It has nothing to do with anything. I am removing the picture.
End of merged comments Ken Gallager ( talk) 19:26, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
This is completely wrong. Firstly, the tropic of capricorn passes straight through Austalia (including two of its coasts!) which maeans at least part of the coastline is Tropical. Secondly, are you actually suggesting that Melbourne and Hobart are situated in subtropical regions?
Also, how can you say the term only applies to 'Coastal Australia' and south africa? Both countries have non-coastal areas that are subtropical.
If nobody has an objection i'll be back to change the article. Factoid Killer 15:06, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Athens does NOT fit the given definition at all. Either the definition must be changed or Athens not included, because in Athens it freezes and snows almost every winter. If you prefer, the definition could be improved to include the Mediterranean climate, but it's not very clear. David 11:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
It says here that Miami is truly tropical, yet on the Miami page it says that it falls just short. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.102.240 ( talk • contribs) 16:44, 12 November 2006
Miami AP (S) 25° 48' N 80° 16' W Miami Beach Co 25° 47' N 80° 17' W
"The subtropics refers to the zones of the Earth immediately north and south of the tropic zone, which is bounded by the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn, at latitude 23.5 ° north and south. The term 'subtropics' describes the climatic region found adjacent to the tropics, closer to either the north or south pole latitudinal."
Miami tropical? Ah, close but no cigar! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.186.84 ( talk) 19:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
"The term 'subtropics' describes the climatic region found adjacent to the tropics, usually adjacent to either the north or south pole latitudinal. "
The second part of the preceding statement makes no sense whatsoever and should be changed. I would change it myself but I have no idea what the intention of the author was. Eregli bob 06:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
The mere fact that SOME subtropical plant species can be sucessfully grown in places such as Scotland or Vancouver Island ( because of the mild low-frost winter weather due to ocean currents etc ), does not mean that these places can be considered to have a subtropical climate.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eregli bob ( talk • contribs) 06:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
How can Auckland be subtropical? It is clearly temperate and lies in the temperate zone. Only the far north of Northland is subtropical in New Zealand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.195.86.40 ( talk) 22:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
This isn't really correct. Places like Atlanta, Georgia or even Washington D.C. are considered to have subtropical climate but frosts and snow are relatively common there (see articles for those cities). The actual definition of a subtropical climate is that the AVERAGE temperature of the coldest month does not fall below freezing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.65.43.153 ( talk) 23:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Part of the British Isles - The Isles of Scilly - has an average in the coldest month of 10C (50F) max and 7C (45F) min - an overall average of 8.5C (47F) - so that would be subtropical on the definition given above*. Furthermore, there are 8 months when the overall average for the month is 10C (50F) or greater, which is the requirement for subtropical as per the Glenn Trewartha Classification. It is nonsense to say that the cutoff for subtropical is 0C (32F) average for the coldest month except where the warmest month averages 22C (72F) or warmer as per Koppen. New York just sneaks into that category and has an annual temperature very similar to the Isles of Scilly mentioned above. See the MSN weather forecasts, there is a link on each called 'averages'. Check these out for Isles of Scilly and New York, and by adding the maximums and minimums together in each case, and then dividing by 24, you would get a difference of just 0.5C between the two locations' annual temperature --- 12.3C on the Isles of Scilly and 12.8C in New York for the annual average. I have just worked it out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.244.53 ( talk) 14:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
This is joke, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.124.150.42 ( talk) 15:01, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
The map found in this page (drawn by a German user) is ridiculous. How can northern Italy be "subtropical" like coastal Somalia (!) while southeastern Spain "warm temperate" like western Russia (see this?-- Carnby ( talk) 17:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Yalta is subtropical ? This winter the temperatures went to down to even -14 C/7F , that doesn't sound very subtropical. How can Yalta and most of Australia be in the same category ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supaplexis ( talk • contribs) 10:12, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
There's a huge error in examples here. Not only this article mentions places in the southern hemisphere that are inside the tropical zone, such as northern Australia and Lima, Peru, it also wrongly pushes parts of Europe and Central Asia located above the parallel 40 into the subtropics. Yalta is not subtropical. It is yet warmer than the bulk of Russia. That's why Russians like to wrongly call Crimea as subtropical.
Places in Europe such as Milan or Barcelona are not subtropical either. They are above the parallel 40, as much as South New Zealand or Patagonia are. Barcelona may have its share of semi-arid Mediterranean climate but it's not exactly subtropical. It has little snow because it's on the coast, just like South New Zealand or Patagonia. Inland Catalonia has plenty of snow — Preceding
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How Can you even consider Baltimore or DC subtropical, i do realize that we close to the southern end of the temperate zone, but subtropical? have you tried to grow a palm tree here? or how about visiting us in january where its not uncommon for some sections of the chesapeake bay to freeze and its common for the reflecting pool at the washington monument to freeze. I lived in this region most of my life and even during the warmest winters 95% of our vegitation dies. Also the region averages over 20 inches of snow each winter. If you consider the Baltimore/DC area subtropical then I wonder what is considered a temperate climate maybe "Siberia". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnimos ( talk • contribs) 21:57, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that some areas in Philippines ( Baguio), Mexico ( Mexico City) and South America ( Bogota, Cuzco, La Paz) aren't listed as being subtropical climate even though all these locations (despite being in tropical latitudes) are subtropical because they are on high elevations. Is there a reason for that? 79thfiregod 21:34, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
The description of Australia being almost wholly subtropical apart from Tasmania and Victoria is misleading. The northern half of Western Australia, 2/3 of Queensland, and the vast majority of NT lie above the Tropic of Capricorn, and are therefore within the tropics. The northern parts of Western Australia, Queensland, and NT are by even the strictest definition tropical. Calling these regions subtropical is akin to labeling England polar. The NT, in particular, lies almost entirely within the tropics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ailahusky ( talk • contribs) 10:01, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Add Ozone loss made tropics rainier: Hole over Antarctica changes weather patterns all the way to the equator by Alexandra Witze May 21st, 2011; Vol.179 #11 (p. 15) in Science News (online April 21 in Science (journal)). Related Ozone hole ( Ozone depletion).
"The shift happens, Kang says, because ozone loss causes a westerly-flowing atmospheric jet to move further south, which in turn pulls a midlatitude band of dry air south. The region near the equator, in turn, gets wetter. The 1989 Montreal Protocol banned many chlorofluorocarbon chemicals, and scientists expect the ozone hole to recover by midcentury. But rising levels of greenhouse gases also push atmospheric jets southward, so global warming may counteract any changes from the healing ozone hole, says Nathan Gillett of Environment Canada's climate modeling center in Victoria, British Columbia."
Also see Talk:Intertropical Convergence Zone moving North due to global warming. 99.112.213.34 ( talk) 02:39, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Here is a map showing the location of the Nullarbor plain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IBRA_6.1_Nullarbor.png
Here is our very own Subtropics map showing the location of the subtropics, which the Nullarbor plain is clearly in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Subtropical.png
Here is a map showing the location of the tropics, which the Nullarbor plain clearly isn't in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tropen.JPG
Once again, your reversion is reverted. Have a nice day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoplophile ( talk • contribs) 21:14, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
In this article, northern New Zealand is classified as subtropical. It's certainly pretty mild here most of the time. But in the Oceanic climate article, all of New Zealand is classified as having an Oceanic climate. Are they both right? Kahuroa ( talk) 23:38, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
There's a lot of debate and OR up above regarding Australian climate zones, with a seemingly strong push to classify a lot of it as sub-tropical. The chart on this page shows how the Australian Bureau of Meteorology, one of three World Meteorological Centres of the World Meteorological Organisation, classifies Australia's climate zones, according to Köppen.
Only a realatively small area is shown as sub-tropical.
I hope this helps. HiLo48 ( talk) 08:35, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Classifying the south of Australia as "cold temperate" is a ridiculous push. Australia is warm. Australians love to boast that, but do not like the term tropical as it's often associated with warm 3rd world countries (lol). This is the REAL reason why they deny the undeniable fact that they're only tropical and sub-tropical (loool).
Tropical zones: between the tropics (in Australian's case, between the tropic of Capricorn) and the equator.
sub-tropical zones: not really a precise concept, generally the warmest part of the temperate zone, between the tropics and the paralel 40º. Not only Sydney, but even Melbourne is subtropical. — Preceding
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The page is protected, I can't not modify it. Canaries islands are (if I don't made a mistake) in the subtropical section.-- Newuser0077 ( talk) 19:04, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
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The photo captions are politicized.
"European Union" is not a country (promotion of EU federalism).
Morocco is in the geographical/climate region of North Africa not "Africa" (promotion of Afrocentrism; note the captions do use East Asia).
Cyprus and Malta are geographical salients of Europe, not in "Western Asia" and "between Europe and Africa" respectively (promoting expansion of the European Union to Turkey and North Africa). But in this regional climate context an appropriate description would be simply "Mediterranean". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.17.150 ( talk) 07:10, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Lima is solidly in the tropics, 12 degrees south. It has almost no elevation. Geographically, it's absolutely tropical. I understand that there's a level of disagreement over whether this page is referring to geography or climate, but I'd point out that the city has a totally weird climate anyway. In any case, the opening paragraph of the article clearly states that this is about places that are near to the tropics but not between/within them, so if it's going to have places that eminently do not fit that definition, the opening has to be changed. 190.42.144.84 ( talk) 12:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
This article is about a purely climatic definition. Sections, such as the article title, implying otherwise lead to confusion. This would bring it into line with the articles "Tropics" and "Tropical climate": this article is clearly analogous to the latter and not the former. It would help to make it clear in the introductory paragraph that the article is about observed climate conditions rather than mathematically defined lines on the Earth's surface, and that areas with subtropical climates may be located well within the tropics, or far into the temperate zone.
Finally, it's clear that there is disagreement over the definition; if none has consensus, then as far as is possible all examples (cities, regions, climate charts) should qualify as subtropical under all reasonable definitions.
As a non-specialist who came here for information, it's just not clear enough at the moment what the article is about.
190.42.158.20 (
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Subtropicalman - I understand I may have given too many minor EU examples. However, I re-arranged the USA ones in full alphabetical order (it was already in alphabetical order except at the end at which someone had added in random examples), added several important examples and removed an example which was stated twice. As a result I've reverted to my USA examples but kept your EU examples with a few small amendments. Also, I don't fully agree with your treatment of the EU as a federation, it may be a better idea to split the EU examples up into separate European countries. Similarly with the photo captions it may be better to replace EU with the actual country. This article contains far too much bias towards European integration. -- Jay942942 ( talk) 18:13, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
88.224.31.183 - Miami and Orlando aren't important cities while Richmond is? That's ridiculous. Reverted. -- Jay942942 ( talk) 16:18, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
There are far too many examples. Recent feedback suggests that there is another who feels the same way. We have an option to avoid the loss of all of this unreferenced information, if you wish to follow it. Otherwise, it will probably just be gutted. Thegreatdr ( talk) 13:08, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
I think that map is ridicolous, it's obvious that the climate of Provence is completely different from the desertic one of Sahara and Australian Outback, the climate of spain and italy is not comparable with that one of Florida, Japan is not the same of Arabia, Coastal south Africa has a very different climate from desertic coast of Chile, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.12.219.41 ( talk) 15:18, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
I don't know because all the photos in this article show palms!?!?! And i don't understand because are shown artificial parks in Barcelona and Malta. In Malta and in Catalonia, and also in all other parts of Europe don't grow palms in nature, except the dwarf palm, that is a sort of bush. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.10.153.207 ( talk) 02:46, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
All the article about climate in wikipedia are senseless and full of mistakes, anyway the pictures of all those cities with palms used to demonstrated that they are located in subtropical areas are really funny! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.12.216.36 ( talk) 02:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
I removed the gallery sections. If you're looking to resolve image and chart overloading, galleries are not the solution. Galleries just perpetuate the problem as galleries grow with time as more charts and images are added. For years, wikipedia has a policy stating "wikipedia is not an art gallery". Now it reads "do not overload articles with images". [ The related wikilink.] To me, this would include galleries. Images (if uploaded properly) are sorted in commons in such a way that images won't be lost if they are not in this article, as long as they are assigned to the right category. Whenever you work on or edit articles on here, ask yourself, "Would an encyclopedia article look this way?" and you'll have your answer for what should or should not be in wikipedia articles. Food for thought. Thegreatdr ( talk) 03:45, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Let's start with the lead. Per wikipedia policy, the lead needs to be a summary of the article below. When trying to do so, you reverted because the article below is opinion. How can you discuss something so basic? Which do you prefer...article content deletion or undoing your revert of the lead rewording? Thegreatdr ( talk) 13:53, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Subtropical-man, you need to explain what you find controversial about the proposed changes. This far you haven't done it. Jeppiz ( talk) 14:47, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
I agree many of the images should go. It is not clear why they are in (except for being subtropical places, they don't add much; some have only a building and a palm tree….) L.tak ( talk) 01:42, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Templates cannot be removed without fixing the problem, or discussing them first on the talk page, per wikipedia policy. Let's discuss. Thegreatdr ( talk) 13:43, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
The current article organization seems to be in duplicate, and strongly weighted towards climate (particularly Koppen) over geography. It talks about temperatures, rainfall, and flora (barely changed (only slightly rearranged) since this time yesterday), then has separate sections that go into more detail about the same topics. My proposal is to merge the lower sections talking about the subtropical climate regimes with the temperature, rainfall, and flora sections already established above. In the meantime, I'll search for referencing to see what is supportable, and what needs elimination. The goal is to get the at least one of the climate articles to the GA standard; why not this one? The lead should be in flux while referencing is found. Any feedback is appreciated. Thegreatdr ( talk) 19:27, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
This question may seem out of place, but should areas such as Nashville, TN and Greensboro, NC in the U.S. that are, according to the new 1981–2010 normals (these are in general not averages), borderline (i.e. one or both of March and November average between 10.0 and 10.3 °C) be included? GotR Talk 21:47, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
I propose the creation of a list class article titled List of locations with a subtropical climate, where all this highly specific information could be placed. If this article is ever going to get to C or B class, let alone GA, we need to partition off this long list. Such lists in the other climate articles have been essentially eliminated, because they foster routine additions, usually without supporting references. We could always link to the list article from this article. As it is, the general locations of subtropical climates lies in as many as three locations within this article, and this would help in that regard. Thoughts? Thegreatdr ( talk) 21:56, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
The climate charts have been moved to their respective sections further up the article. I saw this done in the Earth's magnetic field article, and thought it was more effective, if we're going to keep all these tables. I also moved images to their respective sections, and swapped out some for an image which was more relevant to the nearby section. See what you think. Thegreatdr ( talk) 23:21, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
The map shows the 35th parallels, but has them labelled as the 38th parallels. The lines shown are clearly not the 38th parallel as the north line does not intersect the border of North and South Korea, while the south line does not intersect New Zealand. The article, prior to my edit, also referred to the 38th parallel with a link which lead to the 35th parallel disambiguation page. The rest of the article also refers to the 35th parallel; hence it appears that the map is correct except for its labeling, and therefore must be edited and labelled correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.85.17 ( talk) 16:02, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
First of all, it's the tropics, of course. Second, what, then, is the tropics definition doing on the subtropics page? It's the poleward boundaries that may be of more interest and subject to discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.75.81.197 ( talk) 14:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Plz add the NYC climate chart to the part Humid Variation in Subtropics. Because I want to see it. You can Remove it in a year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.44.64.225 ( talk) 19:33, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
I edited the climate of Tampa to New York City because I live in this Bigger and drier city. NYC has Moist summers and dry winters same as the seasons in Florida. 174.44.64.225 ( talk) 14:06, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
While the text gives 40 degrees. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.230.49 ( talk) 20:30, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
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Is there a astronomical definition of the Subtropics, in relation to the tilt of the earth and the position of the sun? All the definitions I see in this article are about climate, which is more dependent on coastlines and ocean currents.
Where does the latitude of 35degrees come from?
The Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn are the limits of the portion of the earth where the sun is at some point in the year directly overhead. The Arctic and Antarctic Circles are the limits of the Polar regions where for at least one day of the year the sun does not rise above the horizon at all.
The map in this article implies the 35degreee latitude is equally meaningful to the latitudes bounding the Tropic and Arctic regions. But if it is there is no content in this article explaining what that meaning is.
J Edward Malone ( talk) 23:43, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
I was thinking about an archive of this talk page because most of the topics here have no active discussions anymore. What do others think? PAper GOL ( talk) 07:52, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
The Subtropics don’t cover the middle latitudes, they are southern and northern to it! דולב חולב ( talk) 18:06, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
“The humid subtropical climate is often on the western side of the subtropical high.” I’m not sure what does it mean, but I know that humid subtropical climate is usually found on the eastern side of the continents. דולב חולב ( talk) 18:11, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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I think it should be merged with Subtropical climate Amirpedia 14:09, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Should this be merged with the article Subtropics? -- Editor B 17:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Why is there a picture of Subtropical Depression 22 in the article? It has nothing to do with anything. I am removing the picture.
End of merged comments Ken Gallager ( talk) 19:26, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
This is completely wrong. Firstly, the tropic of capricorn passes straight through Austalia (including two of its coasts!) which maeans at least part of the coastline is Tropical. Secondly, are you actually suggesting that Melbourne and Hobart are situated in subtropical regions?
Also, how can you say the term only applies to 'Coastal Australia' and south africa? Both countries have non-coastal areas that are subtropical.
If nobody has an objection i'll be back to change the article. Factoid Killer 15:06, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Athens does NOT fit the given definition at all. Either the definition must be changed or Athens not included, because in Athens it freezes and snows almost every winter. If you prefer, the definition could be improved to include the Mediterranean climate, but it's not very clear. David 11:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
It says here that Miami is truly tropical, yet on the Miami page it says that it falls just short. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.102.240 ( talk • contribs) 16:44, 12 November 2006
Miami AP (S) 25° 48' N 80° 16' W Miami Beach Co 25° 47' N 80° 17' W
"The subtropics refers to the zones of the Earth immediately north and south of the tropic zone, which is bounded by the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn, at latitude 23.5 ° north and south. The term 'subtropics' describes the climatic region found adjacent to the tropics, closer to either the north or south pole latitudinal."
Miami tropical? Ah, close but no cigar! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.186.84 ( talk) 19:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
"The term 'subtropics' describes the climatic region found adjacent to the tropics, usually adjacent to either the north or south pole latitudinal. "
The second part of the preceding statement makes no sense whatsoever and should be changed. I would change it myself but I have no idea what the intention of the author was. Eregli bob 06:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
The mere fact that SOME subtropical plant species can be sucessfully grown in places such as Scotland or Vancouver Island ( because of the mild low-frost winter weather due to ocean currents etc ), does not mean that these places can be considered to have a subtropical climate.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eregli bob ( talk • contribs) 06:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
How can Auckland be subtropical? It is clearly temperate and lies in the temperate zone. Only the far north of Northland is subtropical in New Zealand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.195.86.40 ( talk) 22:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
This isn't really correct. Places like Atlanta, Georgia or even Washington D.C. are considered to have subtropical climate but frosts and snow are relatively common there (see articles for those cities). The actual definition of a subtropical climate is that the AVERAGE temperature of the coldest month does not fall below freezing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.65.43.153 ( talk) 23:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Part of the British Isles - The Isles of Scilly - has an average in the coldest month of 10C (50F) max and 7C (45F) min - an overall average of 8.5C (47F) - so that would be subtropical on the definition given above*. Furthermore, there are 8 months when the overall average for the month is 10C (50F) or greater, which is the requirement for subtropical as per the Glenn Trewartha Classification. It is nonsense to say that the cutoff for subtropical is 0C (32F) average for the coldest month except where the warmest month averages 22C (72F) or warmer as per Koppen. New York just sneaks into that category and has an annual temperature very similar to the Isles of Scilly mentioned above. See the MSN weather forecasts, there is a link on each called 'averages'. Check these out for Isles of Scilly and New York, and by adding the maximums and minimums together in each case, and then dividing by 24, you would get a difference of just 0.5C between the two locations' annual temperature --- 12.3C on the Isles of Scilly and 12.8C in New York for the annual average. I have just worked it out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.244.53 ( talk) 14:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
This is joke, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.124.150.42 ( talk) 15:01, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
The map found in this page (drawn by a German user) is ridiculous. How can northern Italy be "subtropical" like coastal Somalia (!) while southeastern Spain "warm temperate" like western Russia (see this?-- Carnby ( talk) 17:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Yalta is subtropical ? This winter the temperatures went to down to even -14 C/7F , that doesn't sound very subtropical. How can Yalta and most of Australia be in the same category ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supaplexis ( talk • contribs) 10:12, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
There's a huge error in examples here. Not only this article mentions places in the southern hemisphere that are inside the tropical zone, such as northern Australia and Lima, Peru, it also wrongly pushes parts of Europe and Central Asia located above the parallel 40 into the subtropics. Yalta is not subtropical. It is yet warmer than the bulk of Russia. That's why Russians like to wrongly call Crimea as subtropical.
Places in Europe such as Milan or Barcelona are not subtropical either. They are above the parallel 40, as much as South New Zealand or Patagonia are. Barcelona may have its share of semi-arid Mediterranean climate but it's not exactly subtropical. It has little snow because it's on the coast, just like South New Zealand or Patagonia. Inland Catalonia has plenty of snow — Preceding
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How Can you even consider Baltimore or DC subtropical, i do realize that we close to the southern end of the temperate zone, but subtropical? have you tried to grow a palm tree here? or how about visiting us in january where its not uncommon for some sections of the chesapeake bay to freeze and its common for the reflecting pool at the washington monument to freeze. I lived in this region most of my life and even during the warmest winters 95% of our vegitation dies. Also the region averages over 20 inches of snow each winter. If you consider the Baltimore/DC area subtropical then I wonder what is considered a temperate climate maybe "Siberia". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnimos ( talk • contribs) 21:57, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that some areas in Philippines ( Baguio), Mexico ( Mexico City) and South America ( Bogota, Cuzco, La Paz) aren't listed as being subtropical climate even though all these locations (despite being in tropical latitudes) are subtropical because they are on high elevations. Is there a reason for that? 79thfiregod 21:34, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
The description of Australia being almost wholly subtropical apart from Tasmania and Victoria is misleading. The northern half of Western Australia, 2/3 of Queensland, and the vast majority of NT lie above the Tropic of Capricorn, and are therefore within the tropics. The northern parts of Western Australia, Queensland, and NT are by even the strictest definition tropical. Calling these regions subtropical is akin to labeling England polar. The NT, in particular, lies almost entirely within the tropics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ailahusky ( talk • contribs) 10:01, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Add Ozone loss made tropics rainier: Hole over Antarctica changes weather patterns all the way to the equator by Alexandra Witze May 21st, 2011; Vol.179 #11 (p. 15) in Science News (online April 21 in Science (journal)). Related Ozone hole ( Ozone depletion).
"The shift happens, Kang says, because ozone loss causes a westerly-flowing atmospheric jet to move further south, which in turn pulls a midlatitude band of dry air south. The region near the equator, in turn, gets wetter. The 1989 Montreal Protocol banned many chlorofluorocarbon chemicals, and scientists expect the ozone hole to recover by midcentury. But rising levels of greenhouse gases also push atmospheric jets southward, so global warming may counteract any changes from the healing ozone hole, says Nathan Gillett of Environment Canada's climate modeling center in Victoria, British Columbia."
Also see Talk:Intertropical Convergence Zone moving North due to global warming. 99.112.213.34 ( talk) 02:39, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Here is a map showing the location of the Nullarbor plain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IBRA_6.1_Nullarbor.png
Here is our very own Subtropics map showing the location of the subtropics, which the Nullarbor plain is clearly in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Subtropical.png
Here is a map showing the location of the tropics, which the Nullarbor plain clearly isn't in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tropen.JPG
Once again, your reversion is reverted. Have a nice day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoplophile ( talk • contribs) 21:14, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
In this article, northern New Zealand is classified as subtropical. It's certainly pretty mild here most of the time. But in the Oceanic climate article, all of New Zealand is classified as having an Oceanic climate. Are they both right? Kahuroa ( talk) 23:38, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
There's a lot of debate and OR up above regarding Australian climate zones, with a seemingly strong push to classify a lot of it as sub-tropical. The chart on this page shows how the Australian Bureau of Meteorology, one of three World Meteorological Centres of the World Meteorological Organisation, classifies Australia's climate zones, according to Köppen.
Only a realatively small area is shown as sub-tropical.
I hope this helps. HiLo48 ( talk) 08:35, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Classifying the south of Australia as "cold temperate" is a ridiculous push. Australia is warm. Australians love to boast that, but do not like the term tropical as it's often associated with warm 3rd world countries (lol). This is the REAL reason why they deny the undeniable fact that they're only tropical and sub-tropical (loool).
Tropical zones: between the tropics (in Australian's case, between the tropic of Capricorn) and the equator.
sub-tropical zones: not really a precise concept, generally the warmest part of the temperate zone, between the tropics and the paralel 40º. Not only Sydney, but even Melbourne is subtropical. — Preceding
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The page is protected, I can't not modify it. Canaries islands are (if I don't made a mistake) in the subtropical section.-- Newuser0077 ( talk) 19:04, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
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The photo captions are politicized.
"European Union" is not a country (promotion of EU federalism).
Morocco is in the geographical/climate region of North Africa not "Africa" (promotion of Afrocentrism; note the captions do use East Asia).
Cyprus and Malta are geographical salients of Europe, not in "Western Asia" and "between Europe and Africa" respectively (promoting expansion of the European Union to Turkey and North Africa). But in this regional climate context an appropriate description would be simply "Mediterranean". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.17.150 ( talk) 07:10, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Lima is solidly in the tropics, 12 degrees south. It has almost no elevation. Geographically, it's absolutely tropical. I understand that there's a level of disagreement over whether this page is referring to geography or climate, but I'd point out that the city has a totally weird climate anyway. In any case, the opening paragraph of the article clearly states that this is about places that are near to the tropics but not between/within them, so if it's going to have places that eminently do not fit that definition, the opening has to be changed. 190.42.144.84 ( talk) 12:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
This article is about a purely climatic definition. Sections, such as the article title, implying otherwise lead to confusion. This would bring it into line with the articles "Tropics" and "Tropical climate": this article is clearly analogous to the latter and not the former. It would help to make it clear in the introductory paragraph that the article is about observed climate conditions rather than mathematically defined lines on the Earth's surface, and that areas with subtropical climates may be located well within the tropics, or far into the temperate zone.
Finally, it's clear that there is disagreement over the definition; if none has consensus, then as far as is possible all examples (cities, regions, climate charts) should qualify as subtropical under all reasonable definitions.
As a non-specialist who came here for information, it's just not clear enough at the moment what the article is about.
190.42.158.20 (
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Subtropicalman - I understand I may have given too many minor EU examples. However, I re-arranged the USA ones in full alphabetical order (it was already in alphabetical order except at the end at which someone had added in random examples), added several important examples and removed an example which was stated twice. As a result I've reverted to my USA examples but kept your EU examples with a few small amendments. Also, I don't fully agree with your treatment of the EU as a federation, it may be a better idea to split the EU examples up into separate European countries. Similarly with the photo captions it may be better to replace EU with the actual country. This article contains far too much bias towards European integration. -- Jay942942 ( talk) 18:13, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
88.224.31.183 - Miami and Orlando aren't important cities while Richmond is? That's ridiculous. Reverted. -- Jay942942 ( talk) 16:18, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
There are far too many examples. Recent feedback suggests that there is another who feels the same way. We have an option to avoid the loss of all of this unreferenced information, if you wish to follow it. Otherwise, it will probably just be gutted. Thegreatdr ( talk) 13:08, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
I think that map is ridicolous, it's obvious that the climate of Provence is completely different from the desertic one of Sahara and Australian Outback, the climate of spain and italy is not comparable with that one of Florida, Japan is not the same of Arabia, Coastal south Africa has a very different climate from desertic coast of Chile, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.12.219.41 ( talk) 15:18, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
I don't know because all the photos in this article show palms!?!?! And i don't understand because are shown artificial parks in Barcelona and Malta. In Malta and in Catalonia, and also in all other parts of Europe don't grow palms in nature, except the dwarf palm, that is a sort of bush. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.10.153.207 ( talk) 02:46, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
All the article about climate in wikipedia are senseless and full of mistakes, anyway the pictures of all those cities with palms used to demonstrated that they are located in subtropical areas are really funny! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.12.216.36 ( talk) 02:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
I removed the gallery sections. If you're looking to resolve image and chart overloading, galleries are not the solution. Galleries just perpetuate the problem as galleries grow with time as more charts and images are added. For years, wikipedia has a policy stating "wikipedia is not an art gallery". Now it reads "do not overload articles with images". [ The related wikilink.] To me, this would include galleries. Images (if uploaded properly) are sorted in commons in such a way that images won't be lost if they are not in this article, as long as they are assigned to the right category. Whenever you work on or edit articles on here, ask yourself, "Would an encyclopedia article look this way?" and you'll have your answer for what should or should not be in wikipedia articles. Food for thought. Thegreatdr ( talk) 03:45, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Let's start with the lead. Per wikipedia policy, the lead needs to be a summary of the article below. When trying to do so, you reverted because the article below is opinion. How can you discuss something so basic? Which do you prefer...article content deletion or undoing your revert of the lead rewording? Thegreatdr ( talk) 13:53, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Subtropical-man, you need to explain what you find controversial about the proposed changes. This far you haven't done it. Jeppiz ( talk) 14:47, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
I agree many of the images should go. It is not clear why they are in (except for being subtropical places, they don't add much; some have only a building and a palm tree….) L.tak ( talk) 01:42, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Templates cannot be removed without fixing the problem, or discussing them first on the talk page, per wikipedia policy. Let's discuss. Thegreatdr ( talk) 13:43, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
The current article organization seems to be in duplicate, and strongly weighted towards climate (particularly Koppen) over geography. It talks about temperatures, rainfall, and flora (barely changed (only slightly rearranged) since this time yesterday), then has separate sections that go into more detail about the same topics. My proposal is to merge the lower sections talking about the subtropical climate regimes with the temperature, rainfall, and flora sections already established above. In the meantime, I'll search for referencing to see what is supportable, and what needs elimination. The goal is to get the at least one of the climate articles to the GA standard; why not this one? The lead should be in flux while referencing is found. Any feedback is appreciated. Thegreatdr ( talk) 19:27, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
This question may seem out of place, but should areas such as Nashville, TN and Greensboro, NC in the U.S. that are, according to the new 1981–2010 normals (these are in general not averages), borderline (i.e. one or both of March and November average between 10.0 and 10.3 °C) be included? GotR Talk 21:47, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
I propose the creation of a list class article titled List of locations with a subtropical climate, where all this highly specific information could be placed. If this article is ever going to get to C or B class, let alone GA, we need to partition off this long list. Such lists in the other climate articles have been essentially eliminated, because they foster routine additions, usually without supporting references. We could always link to the list article from this article. As it is, the general locations of subtropical climates lies in as many as three locations within this article, and this would help in that regard. Thoughts? Thegreatdr ( talk) 21:56, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
The climate charts have been moved to their respective sections further up the article. I saw this done in the Earth's magnetic field article, and thought it was more effective, if we're going to keep all these tables. I also moved images to their respective sections, and swapped out some for an image which was more relevant to the nearby section. See what you think. Thegreatdr ( talk) 23:21, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
The map shows the 35th parallels, but has them labelled as the 38th parallels. The lines shown are clearly not the 38th parallel as the north line does not intersect the border of North and South Korea, while the south line does not intersect New Zealand. The article, prior to my edit, also referred to the 38th parallel with a link which lead to the 35th parallel disambiguation page. The rest of the article also refers to the 35th parallel; hence it appears that the map is correct except for its labeling, and therefore must be edited and labelled correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.85.17 ( talk) 16:02, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
First of all, it's the tropics, of course. Second, what, then, is the tropics definition doing on the subtropics page? It's the poleward boundaries that may be of more interest and subject to discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.75.81.197 ( talk) 14:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Plz add the NYC climate chart to the part Humid Variation in Subtropics. Because I want to see it. You can Remove it in a year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.44.64.225 ( talk) 19:33, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
I edited the climate of Tampa to New York City because I live in this Bigger and drier city. NYC has Moist summers and dry winters same as the seasons in Florida. 174.44.64.225 ( talk) 14:06, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
While the text gives 40 degrees. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.230.49 ( talk) 20:30, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
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Is there a astronomical definition of the Subtropics, in relation to the tilt of the earth and the position of the sun? All the definitions I see in this article are about climate, which is more dependent on coastlines and ocean currents.
Where does the latitude of 35degrees come from?
The Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn are the limits of the portion of the earth where the sun is at some point in the year directly overhead. The Arctic and Antarctic Circles are the limits of the Polar regions where for at least one day of the year the sun does not rise above the horizon at all.
The map in this article implies the 35degreee latitude is equally meaningful to the latitudes bounding the Tropic and Arctic regions. But if it is there is no content in this article explaining what that meaning is.
J Edward Malone ( talk) 23:43, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
I was thinking about an archive of this talk page because most of the topics here have no active discussions anymore. What do others think? PAper GOL ( talk) 07:52, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
The Subtropics don’t cover the middle latitudes, they are southern and northern to it! דולב חולב ( talk) 18:06, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
“The humid subtropical climate is often on the western side of the subtropical high.” I’m not sure what does it mean, but I know that humid subtropical climate is usually found on the eastern side of the continents. דולב חולב ( talk) 18:11, 3 March 2024 (UTC)