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I read the link to the book of Vasil Kanchov about Strumica, and there it is stated: "Споредъ салнамето отъ 1312 год. въ тая каза има мухамедани (турци и цигани) 16 020 и немухамедани (българи и евреи) 17 750". Does the official census from 1312 really say that (I'm not talking about the numbers), or is the content in the brackets (I think that's the correct word :)) added by Kanchev himself. He cites Verkovich, but it seems to me he disagrees with the numbers, and then he says, the numbers he got are very close to the official census, so it's not data from the official census "Нашитѣ числа сѫ доста близки до послѣднитѣ турски официални". And then (Мухамедани (турци и цигани) и евреи по нашата статистика достигатъ близо 17 000 души, а българитѣ съ малка часть цигани сѫ около 23 800) he addes these numbers himself. It's things like this that are misleading. If you (or anyone else) present 'verifiable' data from books like this, then, I think, it's only fair to explain. The sentence I deleted was also misleading. In 1921 Strumica was part of Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (if I'm not mistaken). Strumica in particular was part of Serbia, and all citizens were considered to be Serbian. In some books they are declared Bulgarian. As I said before, I believe things like this should be left out, at least for now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddirec ( talk • contribs) 17:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
References
1. About the city - this is a casual Bulgarian city until 1920 when like a part of the
West Outlands are given to the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians.
Nowadays about 30% of people in Strumitsa Municipality are Bulgarian citizens so I think it is fair to have the bulgarian name in the page.
2. About Tsar Samuel I, his name is correctly spelled Samuil, not Samoil. Please check the English version of wikipedia.
It's interesting how this topic (the climate) has been constantly avoided, not only in the article about Strumica, but in the articles about almost all other macedonian cities. The climate is an important factor in the presentation of any place on Earth, especially places with transitional climates, like macedonian cities. You can see palmtrees on the Strumica streets, but you don't know if they survived the winter, because the absolute minimal temperatures in Strumica can go under - 20 Celsious. It will be good if someone puts climate data about Strumica and a word or two about the subtrpical vegetation in this city and surrounding area. Regards; 207.216.132.111 ( talk) 04:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://www.strumica.gov.mk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=203:2010-09-07-12-31-39&catid=118:2010-09-02-11-05-27&Itemid=168&lang=en http://www.strumica.gov.mk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=195:2010-09-07-11-28-19&catid=117:2010-09-02-11-05-05&Itemid=167&lang=en. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. DoctorKubla ( talk) 17:08, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Ihave removed a lot of nationalistic POV about Macedonian Tsar Samuil, etc. Jingiby ( talk) 17:41, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
In North Macedonia today there remain those who identify themselves as Bulgarians. Hostility to them remains, even if less than in Communist Yugoslavia, where it was forbidden to proclaim Bulgarian identity with the partial exception of the Strumica region. For more see: Yugoslavism. Histories of a Failed Idea, 1918-1992 by Dejan Djokić, C. Hurst & Co. Publishers, 2003, ISBN 1850656630, p. 122. Between 1913 and 1919 it was part of Bulgaria. For more see: Patrick J. Treanor, Britain, Bulgaria, and the Paris Peace Conference, 1918–1919: A Just and Lasting Peace? Rowman & Littlefield, 2019, ISBN 1498585639, p. 52. Today it is close to Bulgarian border and per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) relevant foreign language names are permitted. Jingiby ( talk) 16:20, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
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Currently I've protected this page from editing for three dahjgjhgjgjghj (UTC)
I read the link to the book of Vasil Kanchov about Strumica, and there it is stated: "Споредъ салнамето отъ 1312 год. въ тая каза има мухамедани (турци и цигани) 16 020 и немухамедани (българи и евреи) 17 750". Does the official census from 1312 really say that (I'm not talking about the numbers), or is the content in the brackets (I think that's the correct word :)) added by Kanchev himself. He cites Verkovich, but it seems to me he disagrees with the numbers, and then he says, the numbers he got are very close to the official census, so it's not data from the official census "Нашитѣ числа сѫ доста близки до послѣднитѣ турски официални". And then (Мухамедани (турци и цигани) и евреи по нашата статистика достигатъ близо 17 000 души, а българитѣ съ малка часть цигани сѫ около 23 800) he addes these numbers himself. It's things like this that are misleading. If you (or anyone else) present 'verifiable' data from books like this, then, I think, it's only fair to explain. The sentence I deleted was also misleading. In 1921 Strumica was part of Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (if I'm not mistaken). Strumica in particular was part of Serbia, and all citizens were considered to be Serbian. In some books they are declared Bulgarian. As I said before, I believe things like this should be left out, at least for now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddirec ( talk • contribs) 17:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
References
1. About the city - this is a casual Bulgarian city until 1920 when like a part of the
West Outlands are given to the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians.
Nowadays about 30% of people in Strumitsa Municipality are Bulgarian citizens so I think it is fair to have the bulgarian name in the page.
2. About Tsar Samuel I, his name is correctly spelled Samuil, not Samoil. Please check the English version of wikipedia.
It's interesting how this topic (the climate) has been constantly avoided, not only in the article about Strumica, but in the articles about almost all other macedonian cities. The climate is an important factor in the presentation of any place on Earth, especially places with transitional climates, like macedonian cities. You can see palmtrees on the Strumica streets, but you don't know if they survived the winter, because the absolute minimal temperatures in Strumica can go under - 20 Celsious. It will be good if someone puts climate data about Strumica and a word or two about the subtrpical vegetation in this city and surrounding area. Regards; 207.216.132.111 ( talk) 04:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://www.strumica.gov.mk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=203:2010-09-07-12-31-39&catid=118:2010-09-02-11-05-27&Itemid=168&lang=en http://www.strumica.gov.mk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=195:2010-09-07-11-28-19&catid=117:2010-09-02-11-05-05&Itemid=167&lang=en. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. DoctorKubla ( talk) 17:08, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Ihave removed a lot of nationalistic POV about Macedonian Tsar Samuil, etc. Jingiby ( talk) 17:41, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
In North Macedonia today there remain those who identify themselves as Bulgarians. Hostility to them remains, even if less than in Communist Yugoslavia, where it was forbidden to proclaim Bulgarian identity with the partial exception of the Strumica region. For more see: Yugoslavism. Histories of a Failed Idea, 1918-1992 by Dejan Djokić, C. Hurst & Co. Publishers, 2003, ISBN 1850656630, p. 122. Between 1913 and 1919 it was part of Bulgaria. For more see: Patrick J. Treanor, Britain, Bulgaria, and the Paris Peace Conference, 1918–1919: A Just and Lasting Peace? Rowman & Littlefield, 2019, ISBN 1498585639, p. 52. Today it is close to Bulgarian border and per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) relevant foreign language names are permitted. Jingiby ( talk) 16:20, 26 December 2020 (UTC)