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I wanted to learn more about this topic, but the page doesn't point me in interesting directions. It's done too summarily. Should talk about skyscrapers, what are the issues there, link to skyscrapers; earthquakes, what are the issues, link; history of, link; bridges, link; you get the picture. -- Rmalloy 05:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
This section suddenly has a bunch of information on Sri Lanka, can someone please provide citation? -- RedIsaac ( talk) 19:48, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
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Insert some articles or links to stress analysis examples, Mohr's Circle, The famous galloping bridge in Tacoma Narrows, etc.
Write up of the structural failure of 9/11, explosion blew insulation off and structure soaked up heat from fire feuled by jet feul. Yield strength reduced and collapse like a house of cards. Impact took lower floors with the mass now accelerating (via gravity) to the ground.
Structural Engineering, while sharing many similar concepts with Mechanical Engineering, is actually a branch of Civil Engineering.
In the US, a Structural Engineer is a Civil Engineer who also has a Structural Engineering license. The additional license is required to design buildings over a certain height (in my state more than 3 stories or over 45' tall as measured from deepest footing) or (in some states) bridges over a certain span. So in the US, at least, not all engineers who design structures are Structural Enigneers. Not sure how to treat this in the article without "limiting the geographic scope", however in general I think it's fair to say that a Structural Engineer is one who speciallizes in very large structures. Toiyabe 00:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
I suggest merging most (or all) of Structural engineer into Structural engineering. The rest can go into Engineer, provided that is not itself merged into Engineering: see Talk:Engineer/Archives/2012#Merge?. jnestorius( talk) 22:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
In the course of removing a fictional character from the list (which, off topic, I assume most others agree with?), I finally registered something that I hadn't noticed before: there is a list of notable structural engineers in both Structural Engineer and Structural Engineering. Surely one list is enough, and it seems natural that it would go in Structural Engineer rather than this article.
Anyone agree/disagree? I'm thinking of consolidating the list, removing it from Structural Engineering, and putting it in Structural Engineer. But I hate being bold, and would like some feedback first. -- barneca ( talk) 04:05, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
FYI, there is a discussion at Talk:Structural engineer about whether Structural Engineering should be considered, for the most part, a specialty, or sub-discipline, or whatever you want to call it, of Civil Engineering or not. -- barneca ( talk) 21:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Fantastic improvement ! Well-organized article ! ( User_talk:tigershark82007} —Preceding comment was added at 14:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I think the article needs to be improved and revised. I don't know if some of the changes can be discussed first here and then transferred to the main document. -- Ivantafur ( talk) 04:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Where does folding and stressing fit into the topic of structural engineering? (Perhaps not used in building construction specifically, but as structural elements of engineered devices/products.)
Folding of sheet steel into a column containing a large number of lengthwise folds yields a very strong shape.
Designing domes and arcs into cast/pressed objects provides crush-resistance and resilience compared to using just a flat surfaces.
For example, the bottom of an aluminim soda can is domed inward to provide deformation strength against internal gas pressure, while the folded V-edge around the dome provides can crush resistance against external loads pressing on the can.
Is there some method of calculating how much strength a fold or dome will add to a structure? Is there a method of determining what specific fold and dome placements will provide the best strength for a structural design application, or is it all just guesswork and experimentation to see what works best?
DMahalko ( talk) 08:46, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I suggest that somebody fixes, updates, or deletes the section "Safety Factors." It references numerical values for safety factors (1.2 for DL, 1.6 for LL and Wind Loads), but makes no reference to factored load combinations as specified by ASCE 7-05 (or even the IBC). Safety factors should not be referenced without mentioning the load combinations, and especially the section of ASCE 7-05 that controls. Saying that DLs are typically factored by 1.2 is not necessarily correct because without any other loading, the DL is factored by 1.4, etc. I will maybe try in the future to change this, but no guarantees. But it should be changed. Wadester16 ( talk) 23:08, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
There's absolutely no doubt that this article is informative, relevant, interesting, notable and well-written. Its problems now relate to its style and layout. The problem is that it's absolutely filled with information! Of particular note is the sheer number of subsections—27, to be exact—and how this actually decreases readability. The article is currently 61kB; as per WP:SPINOUT, this article "probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading time)." Some of the sections and its subsections would be better served in list format and/or categories. "Structural engineering theory" easily merits its own article. In short, this article has reached a point where adding content is harmful. Surely an article on Structural Engineering ought to be more structured... ;) — Skittleys ( talk) 19:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
In the World Trade Centre collapse section it mentioned 'creep' as a reason for the structural response of the heat from the jet fuel. Basic(instantaneous)creep is the Stress-Dependent response to initial load; the additional deformations due to heat are more likely the result of thermal expansion or changes in the material properties of the concrete (at different temperatures). - Jamahl Rigby - B.Eng Civil(Structures)(Hons) - University of Sydney - jamahlspam@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.171.192.165 ( talk) 03:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
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The term structural derives from the Latin word structus, which is "to pile, build, assemble". The first use of the term structure was c.1440. [1] The term engineer derives from the old French term engin, meaning "skill, cleverness" and also 'war machine'. This term in turn derives from the Latin word ingenium, which means "inborn qualities, talent", and is constructed of in- "in" + gen-, the root of gignere, meaning "to beget, produce." The term engineer is related to ingenious. [2] The term structural engineer is generally applied to those who have completed a degree in civil engineering specializing in the design of structures, or a post-graduate degree in structural engineering. However, an individual can become a structural engineer through training and experience outside educational institutions as well, perhaps most notably under the Institution of Structural Engineers (UK) regulations. The training and experience requirements for structural engineers varies greatly, being governed in some way in most developed nations. In all cases the term is regulated to restrict usage to only those individuals having specialist knowledge of the requirements and design of safe, serviceable, and economical structures. The term engineer in isolation varies widely in its use and application, and can, depending on the geographical location of its use, refer to many different technical and creative professions in its common usage. |
I just removed this box, for a couple of reasons:
Obviously, I'm happy to discuss if you disagree. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 20:33, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
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Do structural engineering and civil engineering have same meaning? Can i understand it as one term? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billylight ( talk • contribs) 07:53, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
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This article is written in British English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, defence, artefact, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
I wanted to learn more about this topic, but the page doesn't point me in interesting directions. It's done too summarily. Should talk about skyscrapers, what are the issues there, link to skyscrapers; earthquakes, what are the issues, link; history of, link; bridges, link; you get the picture. -- Rmalloy 05:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
This section suddenly has a bunch of information on Sri Lanka, can someone please provide citation? -- RedIsaac ( talk) 19:48, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
New project proposal related to this article
There is a new project proposal that some of you here may be interested in: Wikibuilder - a knowledge base covering the design and construction of the built environment, in its entirety, in all languages. See meta:Proposals for new projects#Wikibuilder and meta:Wikibuilder for more information, and feel free to add your comments to meta:Talk:Wikibuilder — Christiaan - ☎ 09:41, 18 Jan 2005
Insert some articles or links to stress analysis examples, Mohr's Circle, The famous galloping bridge in Tacoma Narrows, etc.
Write up of the structural failure of 9/11, explosion blew insulation off and structure soaked up heat from fire feuled by jet feul. Yield strength reduced and collapse like a house of cards. Impact took lower floors with the mass now accelerating (via gravity) to the ground.
Structural Engineering, while sharing many similar concepts with Mechanical Engineering, is actually a branch of Civil Engineering.
In the US, a Structural Engineer is a Civil Engineer who also has a Structural Engineering license. The additional license is required to design buildings over a certain height (in my state more than 3 stories or over 45' tall as measured from deepest footing) or (in some states) bridges over a certain span. So in the US, at least, not all engineers who design structures are Structural Enigneers. Not sure how to treat this in the article without "limiting the geographic scope", however in general I think it's fair to say that a Structural Engineer is one who speciallizes in very large structures. Toiyabe 00:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
I suggest merging most (or all) of Structural engineer into Structural engineering. The rest can go into Engineer, provided that is not itself merged into Engineering: see Talk:Engineer/Archives/2012#Merge?. jnestorius( talk) 22:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
In the course of removing a fictional character from the list (which, off topic, I assume most others agree with?), I finally registered something that I hadn't noticed before: there is a list of notable structural engineers in both Structural Engineer and Structural Engineering. Surely one list is enough, and it seems natural that it would go in Structural Engineer rather than this article.
Anyone agree/disagree? I'm thinking of consolidating the list, removing it from Structural Engineering, and putting it in Structural Engineer. But I hate being bold, and would like some feedback first. -- barneca ( talk) 04:05, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
FYI, there is a discussion at Talk:Structural engineer about whether Structural Engineering should be considered, for the most part, a specialty, or sub-discipline, or whatever you want to call it, of Civil Engineering or not. -- barneca ( talk) 21:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Fantastic improvement ! Well-organized article ! ( User_talk:tigershark82007} —Preceding comment was added at 14:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I think the article needs to be improved and revised. I don't know if some of the changes can be discussed first here and then transferred to the main document. -- Ivantafur ( talk) 04:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Where does folding and stressing fit into the topic of structural engineering? (Perhaps not used in building construction specifically, but as structural elements of engineered devices/products.)
Folding of sheet steel into a column containing a large number of lengthwise folds yields a very strong shape.
Designing domes and arcs into cast/pressed objects provides crush-resistance and resilience compared to using just a flat surfaces.
For example, the bottom of an aluminim soda can is domed inward to provide deformation strength against internal gas pressure, while the folded V-edge around the dome provides can crush resistance against external loads pressing on the can.
Is there some method of calculating how much strength a fold or dome will add to a structure? Is there a method of determining what specific fold and dome placements will provide the best strength for a structural design application, or is it all just guesswork and experimentation to see what works best?
DMahalko ( talk) 08:46, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I suggest that somebody fixes, updates, or deletes the section "Safety Factors." It references numerical values for safety factors (1.2 for DL, 1.6 for LL and Wind Loads), but makes no reference to factored load combinations as specified by ASCE 7-05 (or even the IBC). Safety factors should not be referenced without mentioning the load combinations, and especially the section of ASCE 7-05 that controls. Saying that DLs are typically factored by 1.2 is not necessarily correct because without any other loading, the DL is factored by 1.4, etc. I will maybe try in the future to change this, but no guarantees. But it should be changed. Wadester16 ( talk) 23:08, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
There's absolutely no doubt that this article is informative, relevant, interesting, notable and well-written. Its problems now relate to its style and layout. The problem is that it's absolutely filled with information! Of particular note is the sheer number of subsections—27, to be exact—and how this actually decreases readability. The article is currently 61kB; as per WP:SPINOUT, this article "probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading time)." Some of the sections and its subsections would be better served in list format and/or categories. "Structural engineering theory" easily merits its own article. In short, this article has reached a point where adding content is harmful. Surely an article on Structural Engineering ought to be more structured... ;) — Skittleys ( talk) 19:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
In the World Trade Centre collapse section it mentioned 'creep' as a reason for the structural response of the heat from the jet fuel. Basic(instantaneous)creep is the Stress-Dependent response to initial load; the additional deformations due to heat are more likely the result of thermal expansion or changes in the material properties of the concrete (at different temperatures). - Jamahl Rigby - B.Eng Civil(Structures)(Hons) - University of Sydney - jamahlspam@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.171.192.165 ( talk) 03:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Etymology |
The term structural derives from the Latin word structus, which is "to pile, build, assemble". The first use of the term structure was c.1440. [1] The term engineer derives from the old French term engin, meaning "skill, cleverness" and also 'war machine'. This term in turn derives from the Latin word ingenium, which means "inborn qualities, talent", and is constructed of in- "in" + gen-, the root of gignere, meaning "to beget, produce." The term engineer is related to ingenious. [2] The term structural engineer is generally applied to those who have completed a degree in civil engineering specializing in the design of structures, or a post-graduate degree in structural engineering. However, an individual can become a structural engineer through training and experience outside educational institutions as well, perhaps most notably under the Institution of Structural Engineers (UK) regulations. The training and experience requirements for structural engineers varies greatly, being governed in some way in most developed nations. In all cases the term is regulated to restrict usage to only those individuals having specialist knowledge of the requirements and design of safe, serviceable, and economical structures. The term engineer in isolation varies widely in its use and application, and can, depending on the geographical location of its use, refer to many different technical and creative professions in its common usage. |
I just removed this box, for a couple of reasons:
Obviously, I'm happy to discuss if you disagree. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 20:33, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
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Do structural engineering and civil engineering have same meaning? Can i understand it as one term? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billylight ( talk • contribs) 07:53, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
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This article has been vandalized, and I need help fixing it. I've posted a cleanup tag for the time being, but it certainly needs more than that. Ideas?