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Suggested things to add, if someone gets the time:
1. Differences internationally in law relating to strikes.
- Penta 15:28, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Article sites grievances as most common reason for strike. At least in Finland, it's illegal to strike on basis of grievances, if there is valid agreement between unions representing employer and employee. One can have legal strike (in Finland) only, when there is no-agreement situation, that is, it has expired, or reason is for example political, but it has to be completely non work-related when striking during treaty period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.239.138.11 ( talk) 08:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe add some more about scabbing, I remember hearing stories about scabs being attacked during the miner's strikes in the UK.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ON UNEMPLOYMENT PAY WHEN A SCAB IS HIRED ON YOUR JOB. DON'T THAT BY ALL MEANS QUALIFY YOU FOR UNEMPLOYMENT PAY.
FGC 22:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Quote: The word comes from the idea that the workers are covering a wound. Is this true? Do we have a reference for it? Tannin 09:12, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Is there anyone could tell us which laws in china treat Strike as illegal action?I have never seen such laws China.-- 222.35.88.96 09:53, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
hey. i've just begun editing wikipedia, usually for grammar and spelling where i find it. i agree, some more on scabs/scabbing would be beneficial. just to give a better feel for the tense pushing and pulling between labor and management. perhaps a little on 'wildcat' strikes?
So what happens if a strike goes on forever? If the employer hires [temporary] replacement workers, but a new union contract is never finalized, how does it end? Are there signficant examples of when the employer was able to outlast the union so long that the union collapsed, i.e., wasn't even able to acquiesce to the employer's demands? I'd also like to see more references to code--what U.S.C. governs this? (I couldn't find it in a quick perusal of 29 U.S.C. 141 et seq.
FGC 19:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
The article states, "Sometimes the term 'caught the blue flu' is used to refer to individuals who are on strike." This is not correct. A "blue flu" is a labor action by employees who are not legally able to strike, e.g. police officers. Ref: Merriam-Webster definition for "blue flu." David Hoag 17:51, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
What about the passive Japanese strike? You know, they're on strike, but they keep on working, just wear a yellow thing. Kind of like in hospitals...
While this article does make references to other countries, it is heavilly focussed on the United States. Perhaps some of the information in this article should instead be located in an article about 'Industrial Relations Laws in the United States', and the article could be cleaned up to talk about striked generally all over the world, rather than making so many references to United States industrial relations laws. -- 136.153.2.2 00:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
With regard to this exchange [1] - the word "consistently" is significant here. It refers to the fact that Nottinghamshire miners pursued a different path in both the General Strike [1926] and the Miners' Strike of 84-5. In '26 a "non-political" union was formed in Notts. The founder was named Spencer, and "Spencer Union" became a common term for a company union for the following couple of decades, in the UK at least. I am not saying that this section does not need reworking, but there is a historical context here that is worth pointing out. Mattley (Chattley) 22:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
It may be a good idea to create a Category:Strike actions ( Category:Strikes is taken for phycical combat moves), to list famous strikes (like Homestead Strike). Comments?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:30, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I know that in
Iowa public school employees are not permitted to strike. I was wondering how many states aside from Iowa do not allow teachers to strike?
JesseG 01:15, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
The following sentence was confusing in the context of an introductory paragraph on strike action and misleading in that it suggests that violence is a fundamental part of strike action
I've also altered the wording of some other parts of the introductory paragraph to enable it to better conform to wikipedia's policy on neutrality.
Some discussion regarding pros and cons, when strikes are right and useful and how it can help or harm would be good. Petr Matas 21:16, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
The word strike has multiple meanings: in general it concerns deliberately refraining from a particular human need to achieve a certain goal (scratch definition). I propose to write a more general article on strike. Any ideas? Brz7 02:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
From personal experience, firefighters in Montreal, Quebec, in 2003, had their fire engines painted green to indicate a strike status. Perhaps ways that people who are prohibited from striking can nonetheless "go on strike" should be discussed.
I think a disambig link to the <s>(strikeout)</s> wiki markup might be in order. If there's a link for the wikicode function somewhere (a template for example), I haven't been able to find it. Typing "strike" in the search box leads here. --
Sasoriza 02:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I have added text relating to the no-strike clause found in many labor contracts. The Wikipedia page
Harlan County, USA doesn't address this (yet,) but that is what the documentary (which i just finished viewing) states, and i have confirmed what i viewed with a sanity check from this web page: [
[2]]
Now, one of my questions becomes: Why is the previously existing link to the "Harlan County, USA" documentary on the Strike Action page listed under fiction?
user:Richard Myers
Info modified with strike-thru to reflect changes Richard Myers 01:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Removed the following—there is a disambiguation page for this type of information. Richard Myers 16:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the section on fiction should include Norma Rae —Preceding unsigned comment added by Captainspirou ( talk • contribs) 00:54, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
There is a scene in the movie American President where the US President has to cancel a date because of the airline baggage handlers at a major going on strike/
A broad overview of the history of strikes would be educational; I was inspired by listening to Strikes Were Once a Powerful Tool for Labor. It was also interesting to learn that U.S. Workers Strike Less Often Than in Past. I'm sure there are many more details and a global history to be found in more conventional sources. -- Beland 15:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
The section on the UK really isn't helpful. It mentions lots of different laws without explaining what they're for and without respect for their chronology. Is anyone in a position to improve this? -- Lo2u ( T • C) 21:31, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
It is claimed that the history section needs expansion.
Given that the only way of categorizing the history of strikes that I can think of is a list of all strikes, and the link provided leads to an [b]absolutely enormous[/b] list of strikes, what more needs to be written?
Should a little introductory sentence be placed there instead of just "LIST OF STRIKES?" At any rate, I have done so, but I recommend that either whoever suggested that the section needs expansion give some proper criteria, or just remove the thing altogether. Michael.A.Anthony ( talk) 06:17, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Quote: "Since the Seattle General Strike, the de-facto policy of the United States is that anyone involved in massive strike action is arrested and tried for crimes against the state."
This is simply not true. In the United States strikes are legal and regulated, as are labor unions. And there is no such thing as a "crime against the state." That's Soviet-era terminology.
Somebody needs to change this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.33.158.121 ( talk) 15:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Does this wording seem a little slanted to anyone else? Also, Haymarket Massacre was police, not military, correct?
Generally, though, Carnegie and J.P. Morgan, as well as other Capitalists, have used the US Military to gun down and kill strikers, such as in the Seattle General Strike, the Haymarket Massacre, the Minneapolis Teamsters Strike of 1934, during the Oaxacan unrest of 2006, the Toledo Autolite Strike, the 1934 West Coast waterfront strike, among dozens and dozens of other strikes.
I completely agree. Could someone edit this?
Irishevan ( talk) 00:05, 31 January 2010 (UTC)irishevan
I also agree. A quick check of the Wikipedia entries for
Seattle General Strike,
Haymarket Affair,
Minneapolis Teamsters Strike of 1934, and
Auto-Lite Strike simply do not support the contention provided in the quotation: either troops were never deployed, or were deployed by elected officials with no specific link to specific "Capitalists" (although some, such as Seattle Mayor
Ole Hansen, may have acted based on their own strong anti-organized-labor beliefs). Because of these factual issues, and the non-NPOV, I'm deleting the item.
Wilsonchas ( talk) 23:51, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Another kind of semi-strike would be what was used in Finland somewhere between 2005-2008 (i don't remember the year exactly) among the nurses, they didn't strike, but threatened with mass quitting their jobs, it went so far that the government made a temporary law to force nurses into work for a certain amount of time after they quit
I cur this from the (fiction) films section:
because it is a book. There was no Books section to move it to, and I didn't think it really made sense to change the Films header to something else, since every other item is a film. Also, I'm not really sure it belongs in this article at all, since it's not just a fictional "strike", it's a fictional kind of strike. Huw Powell ( talk) 22:14, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Neither of the biblical 'strikes' seem like strikes to me. The tower of babel one was about people stopping work because they were unable to continue, as they now had different languages. The moses one looks like it's been cited in labour relations histories, so it should probably stay, but the emphasis seems wrong, the lack of straw was a kind of punishment by the pharaoh for unrest rather than an action by the workers, it was the basic attempt to leave that was like a strike. And that's leaving aside the issue of whether they actually were written before the strikes under Ramesses 3 occured (1170 or whatever) 130.216.68.111 ( talk) 04:48, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Suggested things to add, if someone gets the time:
1. Differences internationally in law relating to strikes.
- Penta 15:28, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Article sites grievances as most common reason for strike. At least in Finland, it's illegal to strike on basis of grievances, if there is valid agreement between unions representing employer and employee. One can have legal strike (in Finland) only, when there is no-agreement situation, that is, it has expired, or reason is for example political, but it has to be completely non work-related when striking during treaty period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.239.138.11 ( talk) 08:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe add some more about scabbing, I remember hearing stories about scabs being attacked during the miner's strikes in the UK.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ON UNEMPLOYMENT PAY WHEN A SCAB IS HIRED ON YOUR JOB. DON'T THAT BY ALL MEANS QUALIFY YOU FOR UNEMPLOYMENT PAY.
FGC 22:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Quote: The word comes from the idea that the workers are covering a wound. Is this true? Do we have a reference for it? Tannin 09:12, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Is there anyone could tell us which laws in china treat Strike as illegal action?I have never seen such laws China.-- 222.35.88.96 09:53, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
hey. i've just begun editing wikipedia, usually for grammar and spelling where i find it. i agree, some more on scabs/scabbing would be beneficial. just to give a better feel for the tense pushing and pulling between labor and management. perhaps a little on 'wildcat' strikes?
So what happens if a strike goes on forever? If the employer hires [temporary] replacement workers, but a new union contract is never finalized, how does it end? Are there signficant examples of when the employer was able to outlast the union so long that the union collapsed, i.e., wasn't even able to acquiesce to the employer's demands? I'd also like to see more references to code--what U.S.C. governs this? (I couldn't find it in a quick perusal of 29 U.S.C. 141 et seq.
FGC 19:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
The article states, "Sometimes the term 'caught the blue flu' is used to refer to individuals who are on strike." This is not correct. A "blue flu" is a labor action by employees who are not legally able to strike, e.g. police officers. Ref: Merriam-Webster definition for "blue flu." David Hoag 17:51, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
What about the passive Japanese strike? You know, they're on strike, but they keep on working, just wear a yellow thing. Kind of like in hospitals...
While this article does make references to other countries, it is heavilly focussed on the United States. Perhaps some of the information in this article should instead be located in an article about 'Industrial Relations Laws in the United States', and the article could be cleaned up to talk about striked generally all over the world, rather than making so many references to United States industrial relations laws. -- 136.153.2.2 00:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
With regard to this exchange [1] - the word "consistently" is significant here. It refers to the fact that Nottinghamshire miners pursued a different path in both the General Strike [1926] and the Miners' Strike of 84-5. In '26 a "non-political" union was formed in Notts. The founder was named Spencer, and "Spencer Union" became a common term for a company union for the following couple of decades, in the UK at least. I am not saying that this section does not need reworking, but there is a historical context here that is worth pointing out. Mattley (Chattley) 22:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
It may be a good idea to create a Category:Strike actions ( Category:Strikes is taken for phycical combat moves), to list famous strikes (like Homestead Strike). Comments?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:30, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I know that in
Iowa public school employees are not permitted to strike. I was wondering how many states aside from Iowa do not allow teachers to strike?
JesseG 01:15, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
The following sentence was confusing in the context of an introductory paragraph on strike action and misleading in that it suggests that violence is a fundamental part of strike action
I've also altered the wording of some other parts of the introductory paragraph to enable it to better conform to wikipedia's policy on neutrality.
Some discussion regarding pros and cons, when strikes are right and useful and how it can help or harm would be good. Petr Matas 21:16, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
The word strike has multiple meanings: in general it concerns deliberately refraining from a particular human need to achieve a certain goal (scratch definition). I propose to write a more general article on strike. Any ideas? Brz7 02:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
From personal experience, firefighters in Montreal, Quebec, in 2003, had their fire engines painted green to indicate a strike status. Perhaps ways that people who are prohibited from striking can nonetheless "go on strike" should be discussed.
I think a disambig link to the <s>(strikeout)</s> wiki markup might be in order. If there's a link for the wikicode function somewhere (a template for example), I haven't been able to find it. Typing "strike" in the search box leads here. --
Sasoriza 02:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I have added text relating to the no-strike clause found in many labor contracts. The Wikipedia page
Harlan County, USA doesn't address this (yet,) but that is what the documentary (which i just finished viewing) states, and i have confirmed what i viewed with a sanity check from this web page: [
[2]]
Now, one of my questions becomes: Why is the previously existing link to the "Harlan County, USA" documentary on the Strike Action page listed under fiction?
user:Richard Myers
Info modified with strike-thru to reflect changes Richard Myers 01:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Removed the following—there is a disambiguation page for this type of information. Richard Myers 16:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the section on fiction should include Norma Rae —Preceding unsigned comment added by Captainspirou ( talk • contribs) 00:54, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
There is a scene in the movie American President where the US President has to cancel a date because of the airline baggage handlers at a major going on strike/
A broad overview of the history of strikes would be educational; I was inspired by listening to Strikes Were Once a Powerful Tool for Labor. It was also interesting to learn that U.S. Workers Strike Less Often Than in Past. I'm sure there are many more details and a global history to be found in more conventional sources. -- Beland 15:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
The section on the UK really isn't helpful. It mentions lots of different laws without explaining what they're for and without respect for their chronology. Is anyone in a position to improve this? -- Lo2u ( T • C) 21:31, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
It is claimed that the history section needs expansion.
Given that the only way of categorizing the history of strikes that I can think of is a list of all strikes, and the link provided leads to an [b]absolutely enormous[/b] list of strikes, what more needs to be written?
Should a little introductory sentence be placed there instead of just "LIST OF STRIKES?" At any rate, I have done so, but I recommend that either whoever suggested that the section needs expansion give some proper criteria, or just remove the thing altogether. Michael.A.Anthony ( talk) 06:17, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Quote: "Since the Seattle General Strike, the de-facto policy of the United States is that anyone involved in massive strike action is arrested and tried for crimes against the state."
This is simply not true. In the United States strikes are legal and regulated, as are labor unions. And there is no such thing as a "crime against the state." That's Soviet-era terminology.
Somebody needs to change this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.33.158.121 ( talk) 15:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Does this wording seem a little slanted to anyone else? Also, Haymarket Massacre was police, not military, correct?
Generally, though, Carnegie and J.P. Morgan, as well as other Capitalists, have used the US Military to gun down and kill strikers, such as in the Seattle General Strike, the Haymarket Massacre, the Minneapolis Teamsters Strike of 1934, during the Oaxacan unrest of 2006, the Toledo Autolite Strike, the 1934 West Coast waterfront strike, among dozens and dozens of other strikes.
I completely agree. Could someone edit this?
Irishevan ( talk) 00:05, 31 January 2010 (UTC)irishevan
I also agree. A quick check of the Wikipedia entries for
Seattle General Strike,
Haymarket Affair,
Minneapolis Teamsters Strike of 1934, and
Auto-Lite Strike simply do not support the contention provided in the quotation: either troops were never deployed, or were deployed by elected officials with no specific link to specific "Capitalists" (although some, such as Seattle Mayor
Ole Hansen, may have acted based on their own strong anti-organized-labor beliefs). Because of these factual issues, and the non-NPOV, I'm deleting the item.
Wilsonchas ( talk) 23:51, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Another kind of semi-strike would be what was used in Finland somewhere between 2005-2008 (i don't remember the year exactly) among the nurses, they didn't strike, but threatened with mass quitting their jobs, it went so far that the government made a temporary law to force nurses into work for a certain amount of time after they quit
I cur this from the (fiction) films section:
because it is a book. There was no Books section to move it to, and I didn't think it really made sense to change the Films header to something else, since every other item is a film. Also, I'm not really sure it belongs in this article at all, since it's not just a fictional "strike", it's a fictional kind of strike. Huw Powell ( talk) 22:14, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Neither of the biblical 'strikes' seem like strikes to me. The tower of babel one was about people stopping work because they were unable to continue, as they now had different languages. The moses one looks like it's been cited in labour relations histories, so it should probably stay, but the emphasis seems wrong, the lack of straw was a kind of punishment by the pharaoh for unrest rather than an action by the workers, it was the basic attempt to leave that was like a strike. And that's leaving aside the issue of whether they actually were written before the strikes under Ramesses 3 occured (1170 or whatever) 130.216.68.111 ( talk) 04:48, 24 May 2013 (UTC)