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As far as I'm aware, they're both different terms for exactly the same thing. The two articles are also very similar. Any reason why they shouldn't be merged and redirected? Any preference with regards to which one you'd rather keep? I THINK streetboarding is a more widespread term. -- 89.243.236.241 ( talk) 04:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Yea, there exactly the same thing. We should merge and see if there is any fallout, if there's a good case for re-separation then there should be different content for the pivotboard page ( Deplorableword ( talk) 12:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC))
No way. 'Pivotboard' is barely ever used in relation to the boards & the sport. It is a sub-name, used by choice, by some riders who were against the sports name changing from snakeboarding to streetboarding. Their reason? They felt that 'streetboarding' did not describe the sport as well as the word 'snakeboarding'. Due to the fact the footplates pivot, and the board moves in a snake-like motion. However, the name was officially changed to streetboarding and has been so for years. Sure, I agree that perhaps in the 'streetboarding' article there should be reference to other names/nicknames that some people give to the sport - and definately there should always remain mention to the fact it was originally called snakeboarding. However in saying this, if you were to list every single nick-name/term given to something - the list will be huge. It is no secret, the guy who created the 'pivotboard' name have been senselessly been editing both the streetboarding & snakeboarding articles on Wikipedia in the past - Re-writing & deleting portions from the articles and replacing them with the word pivotboard in an attempt to promote that name. There is a whole thread about it on the website Streetboarding.com. But ultimately, if Wikipedia is a user-content based site, that is bound to happen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.217.35 ( talk) 17:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
This article's content is almost entirely copied from Snakeboard by a user who apparently did not know how to merge and redirect. I think that Streetboarding should be the canonical article (although perhaps eventually split into board and boarding as Skateboard is) because the article (well, both articles, of course) give that as the current name, and the old name is/was a trademark. Comments? If no one objects, I'll just do the merge; it should be relatively straightforward. -- Tardis 15:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I'd say go for it, as long as the distinction is made between the old brandname/company of snakeboard and the newer sport. user:fre_k
Support, two articles are nearly identical. - Drdisque 04:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree completely.
80.38.64.168
19:48, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Snakeboarding and streetboarding should remain two seperate entities, the boards are as dissimilar to eachother as skateboards and longboards.
90.199.98.191
23:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
As dissimilar as Skateboards and Longboards are now, I recognize that longboards are in fact under the general umbrella of skateboards, and would not be too surprized if longboards were a subtopic of skateboards. Though snakeboards were the original model, "streetboard" is the new umbrella term under which they fall. Also, the two articles are very similar, and if they were merged, it would be easier to find and more general.
Therefore: I recommend Merging
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BDub
Pivotboard is the newest of the 2 names for the same board, although both sides of the sport, are very seperatist of each other. Pivotboard began as a seperatist part of the industry, as a group of people did not agree with streetboard industry heads. I don't see how it can be merged without one name being more prevalent than another, which woul dbe a bad thing, as NEITHER IS more prevalent than the other. Pivotboard does not fall 'under the umbrella' of streetboard, in fact, the people that ride and work within the pivotboard side of things would want nothing to do with the streetboard side of this dying industry. Board designs and progression upon the pivotboard side of the market, is not matched by an equal growth and expansion within the streetboard market, as both grow further and further away from each other.
Snakeboard/Streetboard/Pivotboard are all exactly the same thing, the same board. The term Snakeboard is no longer used, Streetboard and Pivotboard are both used within different circles, with Pivotboard being the newer of the 2. Pivotboard is used more in the USA, Russia, and South America. Streetboard is used by companies that have paid for a license to produce boards, and cannot market their boards as anything else, as it is written into their contract that they cannot. Therefore, the term streetboard is more prevalent within countries that these companies rule, which is mostly in europe. It will be a long time before the true name for this sport is found.
I believe it would be in the interests of the 'streetboard' side of the industry to see these 2 merged, and also help their marketing. the pivotboard side of the industy would rather stay seperated, and see which of the 2 names come out on top once the Snakeboard patents expire (first in USA, Sept. 11th, 2010). As the owner of www.pivotboard.com, it would not please me to see people type the word 'pivotboard', and then be taken to 'streetboard', as these are mortal industrial enemies.
If there is any 'umbrella both could fall under, then it should be something like SKATEBOARD>ALTERNATIVE SKATEBOARDS>PIVOTBOARD, and replicate the same for Streetboard. tricklowe
a streetboard and a pivotboard are the exact same thing, they should definetly be merged —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.30.151 ( talk) 00:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
The term 'Snakeboard' itself is a brand-name. Trademarked and registered. The 'Snakeboard' page on Wikipedia should contain information about that company who produced streetboards in the past. That page should not be merged with 'streetboarding' - as that is the name of the sport. However I do beleive the 'snakeboarding' and 'streetboarding' pages should be merged, as ultimately they are the same thing. Snakeboarding had it's name changed to streetboarding. And this should remain stated in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.217.35 ( talk) 17:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I've started to re-write the history and add some pictures, we should really try and get this up to the standard of the Skateboard article. ( Deplorableword 08:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC))
i dont think so because they are not the same —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korkysporky ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Korkysporky: What do you mean? Deplorableword ( talk) 13:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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As far as I'm aware, they're both different terms for exactly the same thing. The two articles are also very similar. Any reason why they shouldn't be merged and redirected? Any preference with regards to which one you'd rather keep? I THINK streetboarding is a more widespread term. -- 89.243.236.241 ( talk) 04:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Yea, there exactly the same thing. We should merge and see if there is any fallout, if there's a good case for re-separation then there should be different content for the pivotboard page ( Deplorableword ( talk) 12:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC))
No way. 'Pivotboard' is barely ever used in relation to the boards & the sport. It is a sub-name, used by choice, by some riders who were against the sports name changing from snakeboarding to streetboarding. Their reason? They felt that 'streetboarding' did not describe the sport as well as the word 'snakeboarding'. Due to the fact the footplates pivot, and the board moves in a snake-like motion. However, the name was officially changed to streetboarding and has been so for years. Sure, I agree that perhaps in the 'streetboarding' article there should be reference to other names/nicknames that some people give to the sport - and definately there should always remain mention to the fact it was originally called snakeboarding. However in saying this, if you were to list every single nick-name/term given to something - the list will be huge. It is no secret, the guy who created the 'pivotboard' name have been senselessly been editing both the streetboarding & snakeboarding articles on Wikipedia in the past - Re-writing & deleting portions from the articles and replacing them with the word pivotboard in an attempt to promote that name. There is a whole thread about it on the website Streetboarding.com. But ultimately, if Wikipedia is a user-content based site, that is bound to happen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.217.35 ( talk) 17:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
This article's content is almost entirely copied from Snakeboard by a user who apparently did not know how to merge and redirect. I think that Streetboarding should be the canonical article (although perhaps eventually split into board and boarding as Skateboard is) because the article (well, both articles, of course) give that as the current name, and the old name is/was a trademark. Comments? If no one objects, I'll just do the merge; it should be relatively straightforward. -- Tardis 15:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I'd say go for it, as long as the distinction is made between the old brandname/company of snakeboard and the newer sport. user:fre_k
Support, two articles are nearly identical. - Drdisque 04:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree completely.
80.38.64.168
19:48, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Snakeboarding and streetboarding should remain two seperate entities, the boards are as dissimilar to eachother as skateboards and longboards.
90.199.98.191
23:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
As dissimilar as Skateboards and Longboards are now, I recognize that longboards are in fact under the general umbrella of skateboards, and would not be too surprized if longboards were a subtopic of skateboards. Though snakeboards were the original model, "streetboard" is the new umbrella term under which they fall. Also, the two articles are very similar, and if they were merged, it would be easier to find and more general.
Therefore: I recommend Merging
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BDub
Pivotboard is the newest of the 2 names for the same board, although both sides of the sport, are very seperatist of each other. Pivotboard began as a seperatist part of the industry, as a group of people did not agree with streetboard industry heads. I don't see how it can be merged without one name being more prevalent than another, which woul dbe a bad thing, as NEITHER IS more prevalent than the other. Pivotboard does not fall 'under the umbrella' of streetboard, in fact, the people that ride and work within the pivotboard side of things would want nothing to do with the streetboard side of this dying industry. Board designs and progression upon the pivotboard side of the market, is not matched by an equal growth and expansion within the streetboard market, as both grow further and further away from each other.
Snakeboard/Streetboard/Pivotboard are all exactly the same thing, the same board. The term Snakeboard is no longer used, Streetboard and Pivotboard are both used within different circles, with Pivotboard being the newer of the 2. Pivotboard is used more in the USA, Russia, and South America. Streetboard is used by companies that have paid for a license to produce boards, and cannot market their boards as anything else, as it is written into their contract that they cannot. Therefore, the term streetboard is more prevalent within countries that these companies rule, which is mostly in europe. It will be a long time before the true name for this sport is found.
I believe it would be in the interests of the 'streetboard' side of the industry to see these 2 merged, and also help their marketing. the pivotboard side of the industy would rather stay seperated, and see which of the 2 names come out on top once the Snakeboard patents expire (first in USA, Sept. 11th, 2010). As the owner of www.pivotboard.com, it would not please me to see people type the word 'pivotboard', and then be taken to 'streetboard', as these are mortal industrial enemies.
If there is any 'umbrella both could fall under, then it should be something like SKATEBOARD>ALTERNATIVE SKATEBOARDS>PIVOTBOARD, and replicate the same for Streetboard. tricklowe
a streetboard and a pivotboard are the exact same thing, they should definetly be merged —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.30.151 ( talk) 00:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
The term 'Snakeboard' itself is a brand-name. Trademarked and registered. The 'Snakeboard' page on Wikipedia should contain information about that company who produced streetboards in the past. That page should not be merged with 'streetboarding' - as that is the name of the sport. However I do beleive the 'snakeboarding' and 'streetboarding' pages should be merged, as ultimately they are the same thing. Snakeboarding had it's name changed to streetboarding. And this should remain stated in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.217.35 ( talk) 17:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I've started to re-write the history and add some pictures, we should really try and get this up to the standard of the Skateboard article. ( Deplorableword 08:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC))
i dont think so because they are not the same —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korkysporky ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Korkysporky: What do you mean? Deplorableword ( talk) 13:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)