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I think both these sections should be removed. They add nothing and are full of uncited items that have little notability. What do others think?
70.54.124.95 17:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I wasn't signed in when I posted the previous comment.
Vytal 17:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
How come the videos for Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields aren't as readily available as the records? Lee M 02:46, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Does anyone have a cite for this? The UK charts are based on sales, not airplay, and as far as I know always have been. I'd have also thought that sales were based on the number of discs sold, and not pro rated between the two sides, and that e therefore there would be only one entry in the charts for the single Varitek 08:26, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
--bands, or producers, or record companies, chose what was an A-side versus a B-side. it had nothing to do with sales, which only were assessed after the release. the released record label would have it noted as A- or B-side. while there were sometimes B-sides put out that became the hit (surfaris 'wipeout', righteous brothers 'unchained melody'), they still were B-sides that djs ignored the A/B status and spun what they wanted to, or what had become the hit.
also, i don't know how the wiki folks don't know this stuff, but all the beatles recording sessions were not "intended" for ANY album (other than 'please please me'). they had recording sessions where they recorded lots of songs, and then Martin would select what was going on 45, EP, or LP. 'strawberry fields forever' was the first song recorded for the sessions that resulted in the Sgt. Pepper album, when there was NO song yet written, or named, "Sgt. Pepper's LHCB". thus, SFF was not recorded for inclusion on any album, but for the SESSIONS that RESULTED in an album, a 45, and a bunch of songs that went onto other records-- "northern song" onto "yellow submarine" for instance. anyway, i bloody give up on trying to keep wiki on point as far as correct info goes. every page i read has flat-out incorrect statements, usually right in the opening sentences, and i just don't have the time, plus it's only the internet, a child's toy, and the real info is in books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fewerthanzero ( talk • contribs) 20:26, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
I removed that sentence. I wouldn't be surprised if it were so, but claims of such loftiness require references. -- bodnotbod 05:22, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
I removed this paragraph, which, even if probably true, is pure speculation and opinion:
It is likely that the inclusion of "Penny Lane" on the single upset John Lennon. He saw "Strawberry Fields Forever" as the most innovative pop single ever at the time of its release.
wikipediatrix 17:55, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
says in the text that the separate strawberry fields single in the US reached number 8, but in the 'box' it says #1? Bungalowbill 13:34, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
"Epstein urged Martin to issue the songs on a double A-sided single in order to regain popularity"
What is this supposed to mean?
the beatles stopped touring and had the longest break between a musical release of there career between revolver and strawberry fields forever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.28.185 ( talk) 02:25, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
At the very end of the song (You need to almost blast the volume) John says "I Buried Paul" Which was one of the main reasons people thought Paul was dead. That, and this. The whole thing was caused on April 1st by a DJ. [1]
Some key points (feel free to corect names):
Just one mistake, John is the priest and George is the gravedigger in the back. Also, the license plate reads LMW 281F, which is interpreted as meaning "28 IF" as stated above. LMW is also sometimes said to stand for "Linda McCartney Weeps (or Widow)." John R Murray 17:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I changed the word undoubtedly to most likely when someone put that the song was "undoubtedly" influenced by acid. The word undoubtedly is very strong, and without a reference this word should not be used. andrewlargemanjones
The only Beatles album I have is the 1967-1970 compilation, but the title of the song is listed there as "Strawberry Fields"... Should that be noted? Is it already noted? (Sorry I haven't looked through the article) -- Zouavman Le Zouave ( Talk to me! • See my edits!) 19:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I honestly think that if there is a good picture that agrees with the article, you shouldn't replace it. Before the cover you see on the page, there was a higher quality scan. The current one (no offense to the user who scanned it) looks batterd. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.140.120.221 ( talk) 13:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
The complete removal of the Covers and Pop culture sections does not help the article IMO. Yes, those sections needed to be trimmed, but no covers, and no cultural references, removes credible evidence of the popularity of the song among musicians and other artists, which is a one way to reflect the importance of the song. John Cardinal 01:58, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
It says in the LOVE version that "Baby Your A Rich Man" is in it. Where is it? Can anyone confirm it? I always hear it in "All You Need Is Love," but not "Strawberry Fields." 01kkk 23:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I've always heard Baby You're A Rich Man near the end of All You Need Is Love, and I'm thinking the added effects in the chorus of Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds might be the clavioline from BYARM, but I just listened through the LOVE version of Strawberry Fields Forever and could not detect any trace of BYARM. Mellophonius ( talk) 21:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
I've seen sheet music transcriptions that show the song to be in the key of A. But if (as the article states) Take 7 was already in A, and George Martin had to speed it up, while slowing down Take 26 (in C) to get the two to match, then the key the finished product finally wound up in would have to be at least slightly higher than A=440hz, right? ("A and a half major"?!?) Can anyone figure this out?
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The "Musical Structure" section should be rewritten such that the harmonic analysis does not flip-flop between assuming the song is in B flat and A. Atdotde ( talk) 20:49, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
I've put in as many as I could find.-- andreasegde ( talk) 21:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I have put some more in. "Brennan, Joseph (12 April 2008). "Strawberry Fields Forever: Putting Together the Pieces" is a really good one, as it takes a lot from Lewisohn's (?) book.-- andreasegde ( talk) 18:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
You might have a problem with this: "According to AcclaimedMusic.net"...-- andreasegde ( talk) 18:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Are we keeping a covers section out deliberately? Can understand why (wouldn't want it to become a dumping ground for obscure versions), but Candy Flip's cover was a big hit (#3 in the UK).. worth a brief mention perhaps? Pawnkingthree ( talk) 09:35, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
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I'll put this on hold for the above points to be addressed or corrected. Secondly I note a peer review process is undergoing, although potentially towards the end of the process. I'll leave it on hold until that is closed, unless it is apparent nothing much else is going to change. Peanut4 ( talk) 00:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes, but I have just gone through this article, and have improved/cleaned a lot of text. Sorry if I have confused the review. :(-- andreasegde ( talk) 20:31, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I have just put a photo in of the piano and the paint, and one of Kenwood, as both are mentioned in the article.. :)-- andreasegde ( talk) 21:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Good work. All the best with working this up to FAC. And with that in mind, I've just spotted a slight MOS error in the references - not enough to stop me passing it but something that will need addressing before FAC. p642 etc should be p. 642. Peanut4 ( talk) 23:00, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
The achievements section consists of a whopping 1 sentence. A little playtime in the sandbox might do it some good, no? Kodster ( heLLo) ( Me did that) 20:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
It says in the article under "Promotion and reception" that "Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys said that "Strawberry Fields Forever" was partially responsible for the shelving of his group's legendary unfinished album, SMiLE.[56]" and that he "first heard the song on his car radio whilst driving, and was so affected that he had to stop and listen to it all the way through.", also refering to [56]. [56] is indeed about SMiLE, but it says nothing about the song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.22.99.114 ( talk) 12:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Strawberry Fields' intro on the mellotron.
The article states the intro was played by Paul on the Mellotron, and it may well have.
But a video exists of The Beatles' first American tour, in 1964, of them in their New York hotel room.
Brian Epstein's secretary is answering phone calls telling them that "Mr. Epstein is very busy".
John is in the foreground (in 1964) playing the intro to Strawberry Fields on a mellotron.
Scouts' honor.
A terrific insight into the process of songwriting, him playing the intro to a song that wasn't finished and released for three years.
Love,
Brian brianallancobb@hotmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.165.237 ( talk) 23:15, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone anywhere added why the song fades out and in at the end? On the LOVE DVD, they talk about mixing the album on one of the extras. George Martin said that the reason the song fades in and out at the end is simply because the rythym section got wild at one point, and there was something after it that he wanted to add to the song.
"Well I faded it in and out, because, of course in those days we had no kick tracks to keep us in sync, and in fact, the rythym went completely haywire at one point, and there was a bit after that I wanted to include, and I couldn't really edit them together, so the only thing I did on the mix was to dip them down to nothing, with the bit that was wobbly, and bring them back again, and everybody said 'what a great idea, fade it and coming back!' I didn't tell them my reason, but now we don't need to do that!" Soundslikealotofhooplah ( talk) 17:04, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone think 'Strawberry Fields Forever' should be listed as progressive rock? Either that or art rock would be rather fitting due to its experimental and progressive qualities such as hazy orchestral use and backwards noises plus a fade-out followed by a fade-in. Who else agrees? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.219.160.114 ( talk) 04:53, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to discuss the source given for the psychedelic pop genre. The source says that it was one of the earliest psychedelic pop records, but the fact that song is so un-poppy makes we wonder if the source was really talking about the genre. I'm pretty sure it was just calling it a 'pop record' (popular music, as opposed to classical, blues, jazz etc) that is psychedelic, rather than a record that falls under the genre 'psychedelic pop'. Poppermost2014 ( talk) 17:21, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
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Keith Richards mentions in his memoir, Life, that "Strawberry Fields" was also a "brand" of high-grade LSD supplied to parties where Lennon was present by David Schneidermann. -- Dystopos ( talk) 13:01, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
"...only the sales of the best-selling side of a double A-side..." Huh? How could one side of a single sell better than the other side?— Chowbok ☠ 14:17, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Well, there are some Wikipedia projects where a (by all means hard-working) contributor is very dedicated to removing everything from "his" garden that he considers weeds. This one here seems to be such a project. Ok so far, but that he or she goes to the extent of discrediting other committed people as "obsessive cretins" (see the article history page) is a bit too much for me personally, so, sorry, I will refrain from further contributions. I wish the rest of you more patience and/or resilience and continued success. FePo2 ( talk) 14:39, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
What's the source for George Martin on cello? Thanks. 79.56.0.170 ( talk) 18:47, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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I think both these sections should be removed. They add nothing and are full of uncited items that have little notability. What do others think?
70.54.124.95 17:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I wasn't signed in when I posted the previous comment.
Vytal 17:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
How come the videos for Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields aren't as readily available as the records? Lee M 02:46, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Does anyone have a cite for this? The UK charts are based on sales, not airplay, and as far as I know always have been. I'd have also thought that sales were based on the number of discs sold, and not pro rated between the two sides, and that e therefore there would be only one entry in the charts for the single Varitek 08:26, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
--bands, or producers, or record companies, chose what was an A-side versus a B-side. it had nothing to do with sales, which only were assessed after the release. the released record label would have it noted as A- or B-side. while there were sometimes B-sides put out that became the hit (surfaris 'wipeout', righteous brothers 'unchained melody'), they still were B-sides that djs ignored the A/B status and spun what they wanted to, or what had become the hit.
also, i don't know how the wiki folks don't know this stuff, but all the beatles recording sessions were not "intended" for ANY album (other than 'please please me'). they had recording sessions where they recorded lots of songs, and then Martin would select what was going on 45, EP, or LP. 'strawberry fields forever' was the first song recorded for the sessions that resulted in the Sgt. Pepper album, when there was NO song yet written, or named, "Sgt. Pepper's LHCB". thus, SFF was not recorded for inclusion on any album, but for the SESSIONS that RESULTED in an album, a 45, and a bunch of songs that went onto other records-- "northern song" onto "yellow submarine" for instance. anyway, i bloody give up on trying to keep wiki on point as far as correct info goes. every page i read has flat-out incorrect statements, usually right in the opening sentences, and i just don't have the time, plus it's only the internet, a child's toy, and the real info is in books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fewerthanzero ( talk • contribs) 20:26, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
I removed that sentence. I wouldn't be surprised if it were so, but claims of such loftiness require references. -- bodnotbod 05:22, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
I removed this paragraph, which, even if probably true, is pure speculation and opinion:
It is likely that the inclusion of "Penny Lane" on the single upset John Lennon. He saw "Strawberry Fields Forever" as the most innovative pop single ever at the time of its release.
wikipediatrix 17:55, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
says in the text that the separate strawberry fields single in the US reached number 8, but in the 'box' it says #1? Bungalowbill 13:34, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
"Epstein urged Martin to issue the songs on a double A-sided single in order to regain popularity"
What is this supposed to mean?
the beatles stopped touring and had the longest break between a musical release of there career between revolver and strawberry fields forever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.28.185 ( talk) 02:25, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
At the very end of the song (You need to almost blast the volume) John says "I Buried Paul" Which was one of the main reasons people thought Paul was dead. That, and this. The whole thing was caused on April 1st by a DJ. [1]
Some key points (feel free to corect names):
Just one mistake, John is the priest and George is the gravedigger in the back. Also, the license plate reads LMW 281F, which is interpreted as meaning "28 IF" as stated above. LMW is also sometimes said to stand for "Linda McCartney Weeps (or Widow)." John R Murray 17:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I changed the word undoubtedly to most likely when someone put that the song was "undoubtedly" influenced by acid. The word undoubtedly is very strong, and without a reference this word should not be used. andrewlargemanjones
The only Beatles album I have is the 1967-1970 compilation, but the title of the song is listed there as "Strawberry Fields"... Should that be noted? Is it already noted? (Sorry I haven't looked through the article) -- Zouavman Le Zouave ( Talk to me! • See my edits!) 19:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I honestly think that if there is a good picture that agrees with the article, you shouldn't replace it. Before the cover you see on the page, there was a higher quality scan. The current one (no offense to the user who scanned it) looks batterd. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.140.120.221 ( talk) 13:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
The complete removal of the Covers and Pop culture sections does not help the article IMO. Yes, those sections needed to be trimmed, but no covers, and no cultural references, removes credible evidence of the popularity of the song among musicians and other artists, which is a one way to reflect the importance of the song. John Cardinal 01:58, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
It says in the LOVE version that "Baby Your A Rich Man" is in it. Where is it? Can anyone confirm it? I always hear it in "All You Need Is Love," but not "Strawberry Fields." 01kkk 23:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I've always heard Baby You're A Rich Man near the end of All You Need Is Love, and I'm thinking the added effects in the chorus of Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds might be the clavioline from BYARM, but I just listened through the LOVE version of Strawberry Fields Forever and could not detect any trace of BYARM. Mellophonius ( talk) 21:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
I've seen sheet music transcriptions that show the song to be in the key of A. But if (as the article states) Take 7 was already in A, and George Martin had to speed it up, while slowing down Take 26 (in C) to get the two to match, then the key the finished product finally wound up in would have to be at least slightly higher than A=440hz, right? ("A and a half major"?!?) Can anyone figure this out?
--
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20:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
The "Musical Structure" section should be rewritten such that the harmonic analysis does not flip-flop between assuming the song is in B flat and A. Atdotde ( talk) 20:49, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
I've put in as many as I could find.-- andreasegde ( talk) 21:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I have put some more in. "Brennan, Joseph (12 April 2008). "Strawberry Fields Forever: Putting Together the Pieces" is a really good one, as it takes a lot from Lewisohn's (?) book.-- andreasegde ( talk) 18:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
You might have a problem with this: "According to AcclaimedMusic.net"...-- andreasegde ( talk) 18:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Are we keeping a covers section out deliberately? Can understand why (wouldn't want it to become a dumping ground for obscure versions), but Candy Flip's cover was a big hit (#3 in the UK).. worth a brief mention perhaps? Pawnkingthree ( talk) 09:35, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
This review is transcluded from Talk:Strawberry Fields Forever/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
I'll put this on hold for the above points to be addressed or corrected. Secondly I note a peer review process is undergoing, although potentially towards the end of the process. I'll leave it on hold until that is closed, unless it is apparent nothing much else is going to change. Peanut4 ( talk) 00:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes, but I have just gone through this article, and have improved/cleaned a lot of text. Sorry if I have confused the review. :(-- andreasegde ( talk) 20:31, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I have just put a photo in of the piano and the paint, and one of Kenwood, as both are mentioned in the article.. :)-- andreasegde ( talk) 21:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Good work. All the best with working this up to FAC. And with that in mind, I've just spotted a slight MOS error in the references - not enough to stop me passing it but something that will need addressing before FAC. p642 etc should be p. 642. Peanut4 ( talk) 23:00, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
The achievements section consists of a whopping 1 sentence. A little playtime in the sandbox might do it some good, no? Kodster ( heLLo) ( Me did that) 20:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
It says in the article under "Promotion and reception" that "Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys said that "Strawberry Fields Forever" was partially responsible for the shelving of his group's legendary unfinished album, SMiLE.[56]" and that he "first heard the song on his car radio whilst driving, and was so affected that he had to stop and listen to it all the way through.", also refering to [56]. [56] is indeed about SMiLE, but it says nothing about the song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.22.99.114 ( talk) 12:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Strawberry Fields' intro on the mellotron.
The article states the intro was played by Paul on the Mellotron, and it may well have.
But a video exists of The Beatles' first American tour, in 1964, of them in their New York hotel room.
Brian Epstein's secretary is answering phone calls telling them that "Mr. Epstein is very busy".
John is in the foreground (in 1964) playing the intro to Strawberry Fields on a mellotron.
Scouts' honor.
A terrific insight into the process of songwriting, him playing the intro to a song that wasn't finished and released for three years.
Love,
Brian brianallancobb@hotmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.165.237 ( talk) 23:15, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone anywhere added why the song fades out and in at the end? On the LOVE DVD, they talk about mixing the album on one of the extras. George Martin said that the reason the song fades in and out at the end is simply because the rythym section got wild at one point, and there was something after it that he wanted to add to the song.
"Well I faded it in and out, because, of course in those days we had no kick tracks to keep us in sync, and in fact, the rythym went completely haywire at one point, and there was a bit after that I wanted to include, and I couldn't really edit them together, so the only thing I did on the mix was to dip them down to nothing, with the bit that was wobbly, and bring them back again, and everybody said 'what a great idea, fade it and coming back!' I didn't tell them my reason, but now we don't need to do that!" Soundslikealotofhooplah ( talk) 17:04, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone think 'Strawberry Fields Forever' should be listed as progressive rock? Either that or art rock would be rather fitting due to its experimental and progressive qualities such as hazy orchestral use and backwards noises plus a fade-out followed by a fade-in. Who else agrees? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.219.160.114 ( talk) 04:53, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to discuss the source given for the psychedelic pop genre. The source says that it was one of the earliest psychedelic pop records, but the fact that song is so un-poppy makes we wonder if the source was really talking about the genre. I'm pretty sure it was just calling it a 'pop record' (popular music, as opposed to classical, blues, jazz etc) that is psychedelic, rather than a record that falls under the genre 'psychedelic pop'. Poppermost2014 ( talk) 17:21, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
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Keith Richards mentions in his memoir, Life, that "Strawberry Fields" was also a "brand" of high-grade LSD supplied to parties where Lennon was present by David Schneidermann. -- Dystopos ( talk) 13:01, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
"...only the sales of the best-selling side of a double A-side..." Huh? How could one side of a single sell better than the other side?— Chowbok ☠ 14:17, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Well, there are some Wikipedia projects where a (by all means hard-working) contributor is very dedicated to removing everything from "his" garden that he considers weeds. This one here seems to be such a project. Ok so far, but that he or she goes to the extent of discrediting other committed people as "obsessive cretins" (see the article history page) is a bit too much for me personally, so, sorry, I will refrain from further contributions. I wish the rest of you more patience and/or resilience and continued success. FePo2 ( talk) 14:39, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
What's the source for George Martin on cello? Thanks. 79.56.0.170 ( talk) 18:47, 15 September 2022 (UTC)