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I've moved the following from Talk:Stockton_Beach,_New_South_Wales/Comments Smartse ( talk) 17:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I've revised this entry to comply. I think some mention should be made of the environmental groups and activists that campaigned against a lot of difficulties to protect the area and as a result at least substantial portions of it are now part of a National Park Fauncet ( talk) 17:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
A newly registered editor has been removing cited content from the article, [1] and adding content that is clearly original research, [2] and some of this, such as the time Tin City was established, is contradicted by multiple reliable sources. I've been attempting to engage him on his talk page, without success. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 19:51, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
I've tagged much of the OR with {{ OR}}, as there is no point simply reverting the addition at this time, but it needs to be identified. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 20:05, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
AussieLegend (and others), The Newcastle Harold story, at http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1956610/greg-ray-mad-myths-find-favour/ , (link corrected as of DES (talk) 11:40, 16 January 2014 (UTC)) is an opinion piece, but it is also a piece of reporting. It claims that the source of the parliamentary mention (currently cite number 12 in the article) has recanted and has or will state this correction to the Parliament. Note that Cite 11 "Tin City Sand Dune Adventure Tour appears to be a now defunct web page promoting a commercial tourist attraction, hardly the best possible source. Cite #14 is to an image caption and it says "The pictured man was living in the hut, which was allegedly used as a pub in a famous movie with Mel Gibson – The Mad Max. As you can see from the comments below this seems to be a good story of tour operators rather than the truth." since this source says merely that this fact was 'allegedly" true, it is also not a good source. Thus there seems good reason to challenge all three currently cited sources for this statement. In light of WP:NPOV we should mention both vies and giv the supporting citations. one is not so overwhelmingly well sources as to make the other of no value. Please restore my addition of the Harold article. I will not edit war over this, but now that the matter has been raised, consensus is needed. I am comming here as per WP:BRD. By the way, that a person may be blocked from editing Wikipedia does not make that person an unreliable source if published outside Wikipedia. DES (talk) 11:12, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
but we also have
Does anyone have the DVD to check the commentary track and see what they say? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:19, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi. My father worked for Kennedy Miller Productions in the late 1970s and early 1980s. He said that all scenes were shot in and around Melbourne, and that there was absolutely no chance that any shooting occurred in Stockton. I'm not sure how to turn this information into a citeable source (I have no idea about Wikipedia). But I saw an article in today's Newcastle Herald about the "Tin City", came to Wikipedia, and found that it is probably the source of this incorrect information. It would be good if you guys could stop propagating an urban legend. -- John Page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.111.155.199 ( talk) 05:21, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
This article has existed since September 2007, when I created it because the beach's only mention was as a paragraph in Stockton, New South Wales (the beach passes through 5 suburbs besides Stockton and is in two local government areas as well as being the site of the largest shipwreck in Australia). In that time there has been no challenge to the claim about inclusion in Mad Max, which is backed up by reliable sources, so I find the recent rash of edits rather peculiar. There has obviously been some sockpuppetry involved; Wikitout and three of his sockpuppets have been blocked and he has used his IP for socking as well. Failing to have his changes incorporated, Wikitout has apparently contacted a local newspaper regarding this. Most recently, Madmaxmuseum, who is now blocked for violation of the username policy, made the same attempt to remove claims about Mad Max from the article. The Mad Max museum at Silverton is a museum dedicated to Mad Max 2. Sources that Wikitout have used to discredit the claim have been about Mad Max 2, not Mad Max, which is a different movie. It seems more than coincidental that the Mad Max 2 museum now appears to be involved and I can't help being suspicious that some meatpuppetry is involved, especially since Wikitout has shown that he is willing to seek help for his cause elsewhere. Just to clarify, for any other editors who are confused, I'll say it again, the claim in the article is about the movie Mad Max, not the movie Mad Max 2 that was released 2 years later. Sources discrediting the claim of involvement in Mad Max need to be: (a) included in the article,(b) be reliable and (c) be about Mad Max, not Mad Max 2. Simply removing the claims is inappropriate without sources complying with these requirements. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 16:43, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Today another IP has tried to add claims sourced to the opinion piece and the self-published source. I've left a message on his talk page, but since it appears that his address is dynamic, I'll repeat it here in case he doesn't see it. The two sources that the IP is using have already been discussed. One is an opinion piece, precipitated by an editor who is now blocked from editing Wikipedia, who complained to the Newcastle Herald because he was blocked. That editor also participated in meatpuppetry/sockpuppetry (see above). The other is a self-published source, the owner which is not an acknowledged expert on anything, especially what did or did not happen on Stockton Beach. He is just somebody who decided to create a fansite. [9] I find it strange that he tends to lock threads that dare suggest that anywhere outside of Victoria (He is based in Victoria) was used as a filming location. [10] Neither source meets the requirements of a reliable source and therefore cannot be used as a reference in articles. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 08:09, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
The sources which claim that some scenes of the movie Mad Max was shot there doesn't mean anything. Many places in the world (Thailand, Spain) claim the same fact. That is not true. George Miller said in multiple interviews they shot the movie around Melbourne. All the scenes location are well documented. No scene at has anything to do with the landscape of that location. The sources that claim some stuff was shot there are definitely not reliable. What kind of "proof" I can provide ? Articles ? Books ? Interviews with the crew ? The shooting of Mad Max is a very well known and documented thing. People who claim such non sense as this "Stockton's beach" should provide evidences. There are TWO scenes including a beach in MAD MAX, the two beaches are located in Melboure, Seaford Beach (the mannequin scene) and Avalon beach (the Jesse alone scene). There are no "desert's sand scene". People who claim that mixed up with MAD MAX 2. The source of this nonsense maybe come from that : https://books.google.fr/books?id=t3rPIyWjuyAC&pg=PT9&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false (maybe because they didn't understand what the author wrote and thought that the first and second part of the INTERESTING FACT part were connected. The second part doesn't talk about Stockton but about SILVERTON. Some says the work of madmaxmovies can't be reliable and judge a tourist site as "Port Stephen's Cruise" as reliable. I can't understand that !
So, maybe someone should put that stuff out about MAD MAX, that is a little bit embarassing. (MELVIN) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.241.160.217 ( talk) 14:20, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
This has now been raised here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard JimMarlor ( talk) 03:27, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Stockton Beach/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
I've revised this entry to comply. I think some mention should be made of the environmental groups and activists that campaigned against a lot of difficulties to protect the area and as a result at least substantial portions of it are now part of a National Park Fauncet ( talk) 17:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC) |
Substituted at 01:15, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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I've moved the following from Talk:Stockton_Beach,_New_South_Wales/Comments Smartse ( talk) 17:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I've revised this entry to comply. I think some mention should be made of the environmental groups and activists that campaigned against a lot of difficulties to protect the area and as a result at least substantial portions of it are now part of a National Park Fauncet ( talk) 17:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
A newly registered editor has been removing cited content from the article, [1] and adding content that is clearly original research, [2] and some of this, such as the time Tin City was established, is contradicted by multiple reliable sources. I've been attempting to engage him on his talk page, without success. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 19:51, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
I've tagged much of the OR with {{ OR}}, as there is no point simply reverting the addition at this time, but it needs to be identified. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 20:05, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
AussieLegend (and others), The Newcastle Harold story, at http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1956610/greg-ray-mad-myths-find-favour/ , (link corrected as of DES (talk) 11:40, 16 January 2014 (UTC)) is an opinion piece, but it is also a piece of reporting. It claims that the source of the parliamentary mention (currently cite number 12 in the article) has recanted and has or will state this correction to the Parliament. Note that Cite 11 "Tin City Sand Dune Adventure Tour appears to be a now defunct web page promoting a commercial tourist attraction, hardly the best possible source. Cite #14 is to an image caption and it says "The pictured man was living in the hut, which was allegedly used as a pub in a famous movie with Mel Gibson – The Mad Max. As you can see from the comments below this seems to be a good story of tour operators rather than the truth." since this source says merely that this fact was 'allegedly" true, it is also not a good source. Thus there seems good reason to challenge all three currently cited sources for this statement. In light of WP:NPOV we should mention both vies and giv the supporting citations. one is not so overwhelmingly well sources as to make the other of no value. Please restore my addition of the Harold article. I will not edit war over this, but now that the matter has been raised, consensus is needed. I am comming here as per WP:BRD. By the way, that a person may be blocked from editing Wikipedia does not make that person an unreliable source if published outside Wikipedia. DES (talk) 11:12, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
but we also have
Does anyone have the DVD to check the commentary track and see what they say? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:19, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi. My father worked for Kennedy Miller Productions in the late 1970s and early 1980s. He said that all scenes were shot in and around Melbourne, and that there was absolutely no chance that any shooting occurred in Stockton. I'm not sure how to turn this information into a citeable source (I have no idea about Wikipedia). But I saw an article in today's Newcastle Herald about the "Tin City", came to Wikipedia, and found that it is probably the source of this incorrect information. It would be good if you guys could stop propagating an urban legend. -- John Page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.111.155.199 ( talk) 05:21, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
This article has existed since September 2007, when I created it because the beach's only mention was as a paragraph in Stockton, New South Wales (the beach passes through 5 suburbs besides Stockton and is in two local government areas as well as being the site of the largest shipwreck in Australia). In that time there has been no challenge to the claim about inclusion in Mad Max, which is backed up by reliable sources, so I find the recent rash of edits rather peculiar. There has obviously been some sockpuppetry involved; Wikitout and three of his sockpuppets have been blocked and he has used his IP for socking as well. Failing to have his changes incorporated, Wikitout has apparently contacted a local newspaper regarding this. Most recently, Madmaxmuseum, who is now blocked for violation of the username policy, made the same attempt to remove claims about Mad Max from the article. The Mad Max museum at Silverton is a museum dedicated to Mad Max 2. Sources that Wikitout have used to discredit the claim have been about Mad Max 2, not Mad Max, which is a different movie. It seems more than coincidental that the Mad Max 2 museum now appears to be involved and I can't help being suspicious that some meatpuppetry is involved, especially since Wikitout has shown that he is willing to seek help for his cause elsewhere. Just to clarify, for any other editors who are confused, I'll say it again, the claim in the article is about the movie Mad Max, not the movie Mad Max 2 that was released 2 years later. Sources discrediting the claim of involvement in Mad Max need to be: (a) included in the article,(b) be reliable and (c) be about Mad Max, not Mad Max 2. Simply removing the claims is inappropriate without sources complying with these requirements. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 16:43, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Today another IP has tried to add claims sourced to the opinion piece and the self-published source. I've left a message on his talk page, but since it appears that his address is dynamic, I'll repeat it here in case he doesn't see it. The two sources that the IP is using have already been discussed. One is an opinion piece, precipitated by an editor who is now blocked from editing Wikipedia, who complained to the Newcastle Herald because he was blocked. That editor also participated in meatpuppetry/sockpuppetry (see above). The other is a self-published source, the owner which is not an acknowledged expert on anything, especially what did or did not happen on Stockton Beach. He is just somebody who decided to create a fansite. [9] I find it strange that he tends to lock threads that dare suggest that anywhere outside of Victoria (He is based in Victoria) was used as a filming location. [10] Neither source meets the requirements of a reliable source and therefore cannot be used as a reference in articles. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 08:09, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
The sources which claim that some scenes of the movie Mad Max was shot there doesn't mean anything. Many places in the world (Thailand, Spain) claim the same fact. That is not true. George Miller said in multiple interviews they shot the movie around Melbourne. All the scenes location are well documented. No scene at has anything to do with the landscape of that location. The sources that claim some stuff was shot there are definitely not reliable. What kind of "proof" I can provide ? Articles ? Books ? Interviews with the crew ? The shooting of Mad Max is a very well known and documented thing. People who claim such non sense as this "Stockton's beach" should provide evidences. There are TWO scenes including a beach in MAD MAX, the two beaches are located in Melboure, Seaford Beach (the mannequin scene) and Avalon beach (the Jesse alone scene). There are no "desert's sand scene". People who claim that mixed up with MAD MAX 2. The source of this nonsense maybe come from that : https://books.google.fr/books?id=t3rPIyWjuyAC&pg=PT9&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false (maybe because they didn't understand what the author wrote and thought that the first and second part of the INTERESTING FACT part were connected. The second part doesn't talk about Stockton but about SILVERTON. Some says the work of madmaxmovies can't be reliable and judge a tourist site as "Port Stephen's Cruise" as reliable. I can't understand that !
So, maybe someone should put that stuff out about MAD MAX, that is a little bit embarassing. (MELVIN) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.241.160.217 ( talk) 14:20, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
This has now been raised here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard JimMarlor ( talk) 03:27, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Stockton Beach/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
I've revised this entry to comply. I think some mention should be made of the environmental groups and activists that campaigned against a lot of difficulties to protect the area and as a result at least substantial portions of it are now part of a National Park Fauncet ( talk) 17:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC) |
Substituted at 01:15, 22 May 2016 (UTC)