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One should mention that while Mesic heavily criticizes Tudman and accuses him of wanting to divide Bosnia with Milosevic, he could not deliver any valuable proof for his statements. There are many politicians in Croatia (not only extreme right wing) who do not share Mesic`s point of view and say that there was no agreement, which can be best seen in the fact that Serbs and Croats were at war with each other all the time. Nonetheless his staments seem to be gladly accepted as facts by the western society as it just supports their negative attitude towards Tudman.
Mesic`s reason for leaving HDZ (the probable division of Bosnia by Tudman and Milosevic) is also highly questionable as he left the party AFTER Croats and Muslims signed a truce in Bosnia. If HDZ`s policy was such a problem for him he could have left the party in 1993 when the fiercest fighting occured and many war crimes on both sides were commited.
One should also bear in mind that Mesic after his departure from HDZ was a political enemy to Tudman, so one should read his statements and accusations with caution, as they can not be unbiased. They are just his point of view which is unfortantelly often accepted as the ultimate truth.
The quotes that do not show Mesic in the best light should not be removed on that basis! According to Jimbo Wales, in an incident with politicians from US Senate, whose staff were removing material from wikipedia, it is against wikipedia policies to remove material on the basis that it is not favourable to a political party/personality FedorPetrich 20:57, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
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What is this monkey look-alike? Vandalism! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.198.219.22 ( talk) 11:12, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
This quote is not supported by any source: "It is known that all families Mesic in this region were Gypsies, from which it follows that he is a member of the Roma minority, which confirms many people the region, who knew his family." It therefore should either be based on a reliable source or should be taken out of the article until a source for this claim has been added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Be1981 ( talk • contribs) 14:35, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Moldova: Order of the Republic. Source: http://www.timpul.md/articol/prietenia-enigmatica-dintre-presedintele-voronin-si-stjepan-mesic-679.html
Ukraine: Order of Prince Yaroslav the Wise First Class. Sources: http://joanerges.livejournal.com/652996.html and http://www.sriu.hr/dumki%20z%20dunaju/Dumki_z_Dunaju9.pdf
Russia: Jubilee Medal "60 Years of Victory in the Great Patriotic War 1941–1945" Source: http://www.utro.ru/articles/2005/05/09/435781.shtml Medal of Pushkin. Source: http://rus.ruvr.ru/2013_02_20/Lidera-Russkojazichnoj-Ukraini-nagradili-medalju-Pushkina/
Hungary: Grand Cross with Chain of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Hungary. Sources: http://archive-hu.com/hu/s/solyomlaszlo.hu/2012-10-10_402636_2/K%C3%B6zt%C3%A1rsas%C3%A1gi_Eln%C3%B6ki_Hivatal/ and http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Magyar_%C3%89rdemrend_nagykeresztje_a_l%C3%A1nccal
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Tajikistan: Order Ismoili Somoni First class.
Qatar: Necklace of Independence. Sources: http://www.piosec.com/egypt/print.php?news_id=108302&type=news and http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.aspx?storyid=1093245288
Romania: Sash of the Order of the Star of Romania, Sources: http://www.monitoruljuridic.ro/act/decret-nr-217-din-2-iunie-2000-privind-conferirea-ordinului-steaua-romaniei-in-grad-de-colan-emitent-presedintele-romaniei-publicat-22688.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Star_of_Romania#Sash_rank
Kosovo: Gold Medal of Independence of Kosovo. Source: http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/story/9/Srbija/419611/Mesi%C4%87+-+%22heroj%22+nezavisnosti+Kosova
Chile: Order of Merit Grand Cross with Collar. Sources: http://www.embassyofchile.se/espanol/noticias/Chile%20en%20la%20Prensa%20Internacional%2017%20de%20julio%20de%202008.pdf and http://dalje.com/en-croatia/president-mesic-receives-order-of-merit-from-chile/164808 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.30.187.226 ( talk) 12:54, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Also, in modern day Croatia presidents are counted since the independence of the nation, so Mesić is indeed the 2nd president. Even if you count the presidents from 1945 (which again there is no reason for that) it is doubtfull that he is the 18th since SR Croatia had a collective leadership and prior 1945 there were other state posts that were equivalent to the modern day president (like the Ban). There is also no source that confirms that he is the 18th head of state. That is why I will remove this footnote. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.229.161 ( talk) 17:34, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
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One should mention that while Mesic heavily criticizes Tudman and accuses him of wanting to divide Bosnia with Milosevic, he could not deliver any valuable proof for his statements. There are many politicians in Croatia (not only extreme right wing) who do not share Mesic`s point of view and say that there was no agreement, which can be best seen in the fact that Serbs and Croats were at war with each other all the time. Nonetheless his staments seem to be gladly accepted as facts by the western society as it just supports their negative attitude towards Tudman.
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One should also bear in mind that Mesic after his departure from HDZ was a political enemy to Tudman, so one should read his statements and accusations with caution, as they can not be unbiased. They are just his point of view which is unfortantelly often accepted as the ultimate truth.
The quotes that do not show Mesic in the best light should not be removed on that basis! According to Jimbo Wales, in an incident with politicians from US Senate, whose staff were removing material from wikipedia, it is against wikipedia policies to remove material on the basis that it is not favourable to a political party/personality FedorPetrich 20:57, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
As I see, the Presidents' Flag will soon be deleted. Could somebody put it legally to Commons? -- Neoneo13 14:42, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
What is this monkey look-alike? Vandalism! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.198.219.22 ( talk) 11:12, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
This quote is not supported by any source: "It is known that all families Mesic in this region were Gypsies, from which it follows that he is a member of the Roma minority, which confirms many people the region, who knew his family." It therefore should either be based on a reliable source or should be taken out of the article until a source for this claim has been added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Be1981 ( talk • contribs) 14:35, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Moldova: Order of the Republic. Source: http://www.timpul.md/articol/prietenia-enigmatica-dintre-presedintele-voronin-si-stjepan-mesic-679.html
Ukraine: Order of Prince Yaroslav the Wise First Class. Sources: http://joanerges.livejournal.com/652996.html and http://www.sriu.hr/dumki%20z%20dunaju/Dumki_z_Dunaju9.pdf
Russia: Jubilee Medal "60 Years of Victory in the Great Patriotic War 1941–1945" Source: http://www.utro.ru/articles/2005/05/09/435781.shtml Medal of Pushkin. Source: http://rus.ruvr.ru/2013_02_20/Lidera-Russkojazichnoj-Ukraini-nagradili-medalju-Pushkina/
Hungary: Grand Cross with Chain of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Hungary. Sources: http://archive-hu.com/hu/s/solyomlaszlo.hu/2012-10-10_402636_2/K%C3%B6zt%C3%A1rsas%C3%A1gi_Eln%C3%B6ki_Hivatal/ and http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Magyar_%C3%89rdemrend_nagykeresztje_a_l%C3%A1nccal
Kazakhstan: Order Dostyk First Class. Source: http://www.all-docs.ru/index.php?page=7&vi1=101328.000
Tajikistan: Order Ismoili Somoni First class.
Qatar: Necklace of Independence. Sources: http://www.piosec.com/egypt/print.php?news_id=108302&type=news and http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.aspx?storyid=1093245288
Romania: Sash of the Order of the Star of Romania, Sources: http://www.monitoruljuridic.ro/act/decret-nr-217-din-2-iunie-2000-privind-conferirea-ordinului-steaua-romaniei-in-grad-de-colan-emitent-presedintele-romaniei-publicat-22688.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Star_of_Romania#Sash_rank
Kosovo: Gold Medal of Independence of Kosovo. Source: http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/story/9/Srbija/419611/Mesi%C4%87+-+%22heroj%22+nezavisnosti+Kosova
Chile: Order of Merit Grand Cross with Collar. Sources: http://www.embassyofchile.se/espanol/noticias/Chile%20en%20la%20Prensa%20Internacional%2017%20de%20julio%20de%202008.pdf and http://dalje.com/en-croatia/president-mesic-receives-order-of-merit-from-chile/164808 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.30.187.226 ( talk) 12:54, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Also, in modern day Croatia presidents are counted since the independence of the nation, so Mesić is indeed the 2nd president. Even if you count the presidents from 1945 (which again there is no reason for that) it is doubtfull that he is the 18th since SR Croatia had a collective leadership and prior 1945 there were other state posts that were equivalent to the modern day president (like the Ban). There is also no source that confirms that he is the 18th head of state. That is why I will remove this footnote. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.229.161 ( talk) 17:34, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
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