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That picture looks like a 3D rendering of the grenade instead of an actual photo? Can we find something better? -- Graphic 05:15, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the picture has always been there, I uploaded and added a new picture that goes alongside the paragraph about the stenciled reminder. Userpie 19:16, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I want the "Nazi soldier" changed to German soldier.
Unfortunatly for you, it IS a Nazi soldier, he may have been from another country for all we know.
This line: "This type of grenade, featuring a high explosive charge encased in a thin sheet steel can, is an example of an "offensive" (relying on blast effect), rather than "defensive" (fragmentation) grenade." needs a reference. The concept of relying upon blast for offensive use and fragmentation for defensive use is not in current usage in the US military, or in any reference I've read. IF it is factually correct, it needs to be cited.
It is correct see de:Handgranate for explanation.-- Tresckow 23:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I can not think of a reason not too, however I can not do it my self, please give any objections or express willingness to preform the merge here Deuxhero 18:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
It's claimed the stick granade can be thrown further than the Mill's bomb, and says fifteen yards for the latter, but the Mill's bomb's own page says 30 metres throwing distance with reasonable accuracy. -- Ralph Corderoy ( talk) 12:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
15 yards is a ridiculously short distance and is obviously wrong — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.9.182.125 ( talk) 14:36, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
I've read in a book that the Chinese stick grenade used by the NRA is the Type 23. I'm having doubts that the Type 67 is used in WWII, given that the "67" designation would mean that it was made in 1967 while the "23" designation was made in 1933. Ominae ( talk) 20:12, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
the M24 stielhandgranate was a world war one construction or a 1924 construction? (doesn't the code name indicates that it was a 1924 construction?) - guest
It has been debated before, but I want to bring it up again. Should we merge the Model 43 grenade and Model 24 grenade articles into one named Stielhandgranate or perhaps Stick grenade? This way we could present the evolution of the various stick grenade models/variants from WWI throughout WWII in a single article without the confusion that's currently present. M11rtinb ( talk) 18:40, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Model 24 grenade → Stielhandgranate – The articles describes the evolution of the Stielhandgranate and all of its numerous variants, not just the M24 M11rtinb ( talk) 09:48, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I am Nikolai Blakovich, the one making most of the recent improvements on the Model 24 Grenade's article. I think that an action similar to that of which the above user has explained would be indeed very useful. However, another option could also work. Perhaps splitting the main article about the Model 24 Grenade into smaller ones, (articles about the variants of the grenade itself.) could be a viable choice as well. I am not biased on this decision, and am open to any ideas. I do, however, worry that there is a problem that could arise. If the Model 24 is renamed the Stielhandgranate, it may be too large of an article (it may come across as rambling if so much information is put consecutively). I do understand that a table of contents will aid in navigation, but it is very likely that people may want to directly search for the original First World War Model 24, or conversely, the Second World War version and the variants created during the war for use by the Wehrmacht. The only concern with that alternative is that the variant articles may be too short. One thing that I request be done, regardless, is that the Model 24 Grenade Article needs to be renamed to Model 24 Stielhandgranate. I am willing to provide extensive sourced content and reading material, regardless of what decision is made. Edit, I agree with the notion to rename the article to Stielhandgranate. Nikolaiblakovich ( talk) 13:21, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
Is it possible to include more specific details for the size of the different types of Stielhandgranate grenades? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.235.67.9 ( talk) 18:20, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
The current article is a mess and should be split into three different articles. The M15, M16 and M17 are basically variants of the same design, while the M24 is an evolved design from the M17 with a full new development cycle and history and should thus preferrably have its own article (this is comparable to the F-15 Eagle and F-15E Strike Eagle, AK-47 and RPK, etc). The M43 is a complete new design on paper, featuring both a new warhead and stick design.
@ GraemeLeggett:, u have previously had strong opinions on page names and form factor etc, do u have any opinion on this? Blockhaj ( talk) 08:13, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
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That picture looks like a 3D rendering of the grenade instead of an actual photo? Can we find something better? -- Graphic 05:15, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the picture has always been there, I uploaded and added a new picture that goes alongside the paragraph about the stenciled reminder. Userpie 19:16, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I want the "Nazi soldier" changed to German soldier.
Unfortunatly for you, it IS a Nazi soldier, he may have been from another country for all we know.
This line: "This type of grenade, featuring a high explosive charge encased in a thin sheet steel can, is an example of an "offensive" (relying on blast effect), rather than "defensive" (fragmentation) grenade." needs a reference. The concept of relying upon blast for offensive use and fragmentation for defensive use is not in current usage in the US military, or in any reference I've read. IF it is factually correct, it needs to be cited.
It is correct see de:Handgranate for explanation.-- Tresckow 23:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I can not think of a reason not too, however I can not do it my self, please give any objections or express willingness to preform the merge here Deuxhero 18:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
It's claimed the stick granade can be thrown further than the Mill's bomb, and says fifteen yards for the latter, but the Mill's bomb's own page says 30 metres throwing distance with reasonable accuracy. -- Ralph Corderoy ( talk) 12:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
15 yards is a ridiculously short distance and is obviously wrong — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.9.182.125 ( talk) 14:36, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
I've read in a book that the Chinese stick grenade used by the NRA is the Type 23. I'm having doubts that the Type 67 is used in WWII, given that the "67" designation would mean that it was made in 1967 while the "23" designation was made in 1933. Ominae ( talk) 20:12, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
the M24 stielhandgranate was a world war one construction or a 1924 construction? (doesn't the code name indicates that it was a 1924 construction?) - guest
It has been debated before, but I want to bring it up again. Should we merge the Model 43 grenade and Model 24 grenade articles into one named Stielhandgranate or perhaps Stick grenade? This way we could present the evolution of the various stick grenade models/variants from WWI throughout WWII in a single article without the confusion that's currently present. M11rtinb ( talk) 18:40, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Model 24 grenade → Stielhandgranate – The articles describes the evolution of the Stielhandgranate and all of its numerous variants, not just the M24 M11rtinb ( talk) 09:48, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I am Nikolai Blakovich, the one making most of the recent improvements on the Model 24 Grenade's article. I think that an action similar to that of which the above user has explained would be indeed very useful. However, another option could also work. Perhaps splitting the main article about the Model 24 Grenade into smaller ones, (articles about the variants of the grenade itself.) could be a viable choice as well. I am not biased on this decision, and am open to any ideas. I do, however, worry that there is a problem that could arise. If the Model 24 is renamed the Stielhandgranate, it may be too large of an article (it may come across as rambling if so much information is put consecutively). I do understand that a table of contents will aid in navigation, but it is very likely that people may want to directly search for the original First World War Model 24, or conversely, the Second World War version and the variants created during the war for use by the Wehrmacht. The only concern with that alternative is that the variant articles may be too short. One thing that I request be done, regardless, is that the Model 24 Grenade Article needs to be renamed to Model 24 Stielhandgranate. I am willing to provide extensive sourced content and reading material, regardless of what decision is made. Edit, I agree with the notion to rename the article to Stielhandgranate. Nikolaiblakovich ( talk) 13:21, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
Is it possible to include more specific details for the size of the different types of Stielhandgranate grenades? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.235.67.9 ( talk) 18:20, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
The current article is a mess and should be split into three different articles. The M15, M16 and M17 are basically variants of the same design, while the M24 is an evolved design from the M17 with a full new development cycle and history and should thus preferrably have its own article (this is comparable to the F-15 Eagle and F-15E Strike Eagle, AK-47 and RPK, etc). The M43 is a complete new design on paper, featuring both a new warhead and stick design.
@ GraemeLeggett:, u have previously had strong opinions on page names and form factor etc, do u have any opinion on this? Blockhaj ( talk) 08:13, 13 July 2022 (UTC)