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Can any Wikipedia editor provide a public domain photograph of the candidate? Activist ( talk) 22:15, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello, the current section name "Allegations of sexual assault" does not conform to the sources nor to WP:NPOV. The sources speak of "sexual misconduct" and "unwanted sexual advances". The "assault" mentioned in multiple WP:RS is alleged by Watkins to be directed at himself and other Republicans, so probably not suitable for a section heading. 2600:8800:1880:188:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 ( talk) 18:33, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@ Muboshgu:, @ Binksternet:, @ FourViolas:, @ Mifter:, @ Projects2323: Just a note. The subject of this article writes, " 01:40, 22 November 2018 Projects2323 (talk | contribs) m . . (5,710 bytes) (-8,305) . . (I am Steve Watkins. My lawyers and I edited this page because it was heavily biased.)" (undo | thank) (Tag: Visual edit), after IP editors were blocked, using WP:SPA Projects2323. Activist ( talk) 13:37, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Watkins' Chief of Staff Jim Joice termed any rumors regarding the reason for his conduct, "absurd."
In another, well-sourced information about concerns the state Republican party had about Watkins, was deleted.Watkins attempted to erase references to some stories about his behavior from his Wikipedia article, as shown in its edit history. He made at least six edits in November 2018. A subject line regarding one change read "I am Steve Watkins. My lawyers and I edited this page because it was heavily biased". [1]
Activist ( talk) 10:30, 17 September 2019 (UTC)Kansas Republican Party leaders were sufficiently concerned regarding any speculation that they held a conference call on August 20 to discuss potential fallout according to the Kansas party’s executive director, Shannon Golden.(ref name=reporters/) Watkins' former Chief of Staff, Colin Brainard, who had worked for Watkins' Republican predecessor, Lynn Jenkins for a decade, stepped down as chief of staff earlier in August and it followed the resignation of Watkins' executive assistant in July.
Section itself was redundant, and the contents are just trivia. The "Defund Planned Parenthood" bill had 104 co-sponsors. Section had been added by an apparent COI editor. valereee ( talk) 16:52, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Ok. How do we deal with news articles that he might resign? We have to follow with WP:RUMOUR. FunksBrother ( talk) 18:48, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
I moved the page "Steve Watkins" to "Steve Watkins (baseball)" The article was a stub about an extremely obscure baseball relief pitcher whose MLB career lasted five weeks late in the 2004 season in which he pitched seven strikes in relief with an ERA of 6.78. That worked okay/ Then I tried to move Steve Watkins (politician) to take the baseball player's article's name with no clarification as to career. It didn't work, because I was informed, there already was a Steve Watkins page, even though I had briefly eliminated the title. In my efforts to change the "Steve Watkins (baseball)" page to simply "Steve Watkins," I used the term "disambiguation" that now seems to be indelibly part of the title. The article content remains intact. The advice I got was "be bold." That appears to have been a mistake. Activist ( talk) 13:49, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Ran across this article and decided to overhaul it. It needed an overhaul. Badly written, scattered, confusing, overly detailed, disorganized, and sometimes incomprehensible. Just bad. It's a lot better now that I overhauled it, but more work is needed. For one thing, there is almost nothing on Watkins's political positions. For another, there is absolutely nothing about his committee activity, his legislation (if any), or his voting record. Nothing. Obviously, Watkins has a ton of baggage, and the article is right to include it. It just shouldn't focus only on that stuff to the exclusion of everything else. 74.67.45.185 ( talk) 06:08, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
One of the claimed resources is not avaible. The other does not even contain the name of Mr. Watkins. Cite some proper resources. Janos Neman ( talk) 11:47, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Like [User:74.67.45.185] I came across this article, and... wow. I have never seen so much bias in Wikipedia. This is how and why Wikipedia has earned a bad reputation.
I'm a Kamala liberal. But most contributors just copied and pasted Watkins's hit pieces and call it his biography.
News Flash: political news is bias. I know. I produce it. In fact, this entry is such a disgusting disgrace, it's almost newsworthy.
I dug. Here are a few things:
- Literally, the entry's most frequent contributor, Activist, is so bias against Watkins that he or she wrote a big rant describing Watkins as Baron Munchausen. Then deleted it, probably because he realized that even they crossed a line. NPOV Violation - One of you, at one point, deleted his Watkins's Committee assignments?? NPOV Violation - Where are his Caucuses? NPOV Violation - All references to local players in Watkins's primary violate NPOV. Find any other like entry that references people comparable to: State Senators Steve Fitzgerald, Dennis Pyle, Caryn Tyson, Blake Carpenter. Isn't it obvious that they are interjecting themselves into Wikipedia, or it's the handiwork of some local liberal newspaper.
- I've written about politics for over 20 years, but have never seen campaign PAC contributions described as "to underwrite". NPOV Violation - How about "Elections, 2018... campaign platform, motto, political positions..."?? NPOV Violation - Where he placed in the Iditarod is above the fold? NPOV Violation. - No reference to DA Kagay's possible corruption? Watkins's indictment hitting moments before a debate and the day before voting began? WTF Violation
This is why my peers and I avoid Wikipedia. Disgusting entry. Ebonyny ( talk) 17:21, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
There are multiple State and Local politicians referenced in this entry. Caryn Tyson, Steve Fitzgerald, Dennis Pyle, Blake Carpenter. There is insufficient reason and no precedent for this.
Look at comparable Wikipedia entries -- members of congress - 1 term or not - and you won't find any references to a single local politician. These individuals and their role in an entry regarding the life and career of Steve Watkins is not significant enough to be included. They read like the local new, not a Wikipedia entry. Factz7266 ( talk) 19:02, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
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Can any Wikipedia editor provide a public domain photograph of the candidate? Activist ( talk) 22:15, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello, the current section name "Allegations of sexual assault" does not conform to the sources nor to WP:NPOV. The sources speak of "sexual misconduct" and "unwanted sexual advances". The "assault" mentioned in multiple WP:RS is alleged by Watkins to be directed at himself and other Republicans, so probably not suitable for a section heading. 2600:8800:1880:188:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 ( talk) 18:33, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@ Muboshgu:, @ Binksternet:, @ FourViolas:, @ Mifter:, @ Projects2323: Just a note. The subject of this article writes, " 01:40, 22 November 2018 Projects2323 (talk | contribs) m . . (5,710 bytes) (-8,305) . . (I am Steve Watkins. My lawyers and I edited this page because it was heavily biased.)" (undo | thank) (Tag: Visual edit), after IP editors were blocked, using WP:SPA Projects2323. Activist ( talk) 13:37, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Watkins' Chief of Staff Jim Joice termed any rumors regarding the reason for his conduct, "absurd."
In another, well-sourced information about concerns the state Republican party had about Watkins, was deleted.Watkins attempted to erase references to some stories about his behavior from his Wikipedia article, as shown in its edit history. He made at least six edits in November 2018. A subject line regarding one change read "I am Steve Watkins. My lawyers and I edited this page because it was heavily biased". [1]
Activist ( talk) 10:30, 17 September 2019 (UTC)Kansas Republican Party leaders were sufficiently concerned regarding any speculation that they held a conference call on August 20 to discuss potential fallout according to the Kansas party’s executive director, Shannon Golden.(ref name=reporters/) Watkins' former Chief of Staff, Colin Brainard, who had worked for Watkins' Republican predecessor, Lynn Jenkins for a decade, stepped down as chief of staff earlier in August and it followed the resignation of Watkins' executive assistant in July.
Section itself was redundant, and the contents are just trivia. The "Defund Planned Parenthood" bill had 104 co-sponsors. Section had been added by an apparent COI editor. valereee ( talk) 16:52, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Ok. How do we deal with news articles that he might resign? We have to follow with WP:RUMOUR. FunksBrother ( talk) 18:48, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
I moved the page "Steve Watkins" to "Steve Watkins (baseball)" The article was a stub about an extremely obscure baseball relief pitcher whose MLB career lasted five weeks late in the 2004 season in which he pitched seven strikes in relief with an ERA of 6.78. That worked okay/ Then I tried to move Steve Watkins (politician) to take the baseball player's article's name with no clarification as to career. It didn't work, because I was informed, there already was a Steve Watkins page, even though I had briefly eliminated the title. In my efforts to change the "Steve Watkins (baseball)" page to simply "Steve Watkins," I used the term "disambiguation" that now seems to be indelibly part of the title. The article content remains intact. The advice I got was "be bold." That appears to have been a mistake. Activist ( talk) 13:49, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Ran across this article and decided to overhaul it. It needed an overhaul. Badly written, scattered, confusing, overly detailed, disorganized, and sometimes incomprehensible. Just bad. It's a lot better now that I overhauled it, but more work is needed. For one thing, there is almost nothing on Watkins's political positions. For another, there is absolutely nothing about his committee activity, his legislation (if any), or his voting record. Nothing. Obviously, Watkins has a ton of baggage, and the article is right to include it. It just shouldn't focus only on that stuff to the exclusion of everything else. 74.67.45.185 ( talk) 06:08, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
One of the claimed resources is not avaible. The other does not even contain the name of Mr. Watkins. Cite some proper resources. Janos Neman ( talk) 11:47, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Like [User:74.67.45.185] I came across this article, and... wow. I have never seen so much bias in Wikipedia. This is how and why Wikipedia has earned a bad reputation.
I'm a Kamala liberal. But most contributors just copied and pasted Watkins's hit pieces and call it his biography.
News Flash: political news is bias. I know. I produce it. In fact, this entry is such a disgusting disgrace, it's almost newsworthy.
I dug. Here are a few things:
- Literally, the entry's most frequent contributor, Activist, is so bias against Watkins that he or she wrote a big rant describing Watkins as Baron Munchausen. Then deleted it, probably because he realized that even they crossed a line. NPOV Violation - One of you, at one point, deleted his Watkins's Committee assignments?? NPOV Violation - Where are his Caucuses? NPOV Violation - All references to local players in Watkins's primary violate NPOV. Find any other like entry that references people comparable to: State Senators Steve Fitzgerald, Dennis Pyle, Caryn Tyson, Blake Carpenter. Isn't it obvious that they are interjecting themselves into Wikipedia, or it's the handiwork of some local liberal newspaper.
- I've written about politics for over 20 years, but have never seen campaign PAC contributions described as "to underwrite". NPOV Violation - How about "Elections, 2018... campaign platform, motto, political positions..."?? NPOV Violation - Where he placed in the Iditarod is above the fold? NPOV Violation. - No reference to DA Kagay's possible corruption? Watkins's indictment hitting moments before a debate and the day before voting began? WTF Violation
This is why my peers and I avoid Wikipedia. Disgusting entry. Ebonyny ( talk) 17:21, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
There are multiple State and Local politicians referenced in this entry. Caryn Tyson, Steve Fitzgerald, Dennis Pyle, Blake Carpenter. There is insufficient reason and no precedent for this.
Look at comparable Wikipedia entries -- members of congress - 1 term or not - and you won't find any references to a single local politician. These individuals and their role in an entry regarding the life and career of Steve Watkins is not significant enough to be included. They read like the local new, not a Wikipedia entry. Factz7266 ( talk) 19:02, 11 October 2023 (UTC)