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"his second season with the Fusion, he helped the team finish as winners of the Premier Development League's Southwest Division." — This fact should be mentioned in "Summer leagues".
Done, a sentence in that section has been changed to read "He returned to Ventura County in 2014 and played eight times in all competitions as the Fusion won the PDL's Southwest Division."
Early life and youth career
"He grew up in a soccer household" — This is somewhat vague. Does this mean that his parents were a followers of the game or that they (or one of them) were soccer player(s)?
"and as a kid trained with his older brother's teams." — "kid" should generally be avoided as it is relatively informal. Consider using "child" or changing the phrasing to "and would train with his older brother's teams" (or something along the lines).
Done, to address these two points, I've changed this sentence to read "All three boys played soccer, and Steve trained with his older brother's teams while he was growing up."
"helped the Tritons to their first-ever CIF Southern Section title" — Mention the year.
Done, the sentence now reads "...at San Clemente, and as a senior in 2011, helped the Tritons..."
"Palacios played his youth soccer with United FC" — Can you provide some context as to what United FC is, since it does not have a Wikipedia entry? A note explaining it would work, like "Palacios played his youth soccer with United FC, a youth development club in San Clemente" (I am not sure what United FC is, and this is just an illustrative example).
Done, using your example wording, the sentence now reads "Palacios played his youth soccer with United FC, a youth development club in San Juan Capistrano, California."
College and amateur
"amateur" in the sub-header feels slightly awkward. I am not sure if using just "amateur" is the standard practice; I would recommend using "amateur career" unless the former is the common way to title headings.
Done, no, you're entirely correct that it sounds better to say "amateur career", thanks for pointing it out because I'm going to need to change that on a few more pages as well. It also standardizes all of the sub-headers that regard Palacios' soccer career.
"He provided the game-winning assist to Chase Minter in the 11th minute." — I am not sure if "game-winning assist" is accurate in a game that was won 3–0. Perhaps you can specify whether it was the first or last goal?
Done, it's technically accurate, but if it's going to cause confusion it's better to remove it. The sentence now reads "He assisted Chase Minter for the first goal of the game in the 11th minute."
Club career
"played his only game for the club in a postseason friendly against Sacramento Republic." — Please mention the date here.
Done, the sentence now reads "...against Sacramento Republic on November 14."
After soccer
Since this section only includes his military career, consider renaming it to "Military career", "Military career and Armed Forces soccer" or something similar.
Done, changed to "Military career". Thanks for the suggestions, I struggled hard to title this section when I originally cleaned up the article.
"After ending his professional soccer career, Palacios enlisted in the United States Army as a specialist." — Can the year be mentioned?
Done, the sentence now reads "...as a specialist in 2017."
Personal life
"then earned a Master of Business Administration from the University of Maryland, Baltimore County following his retirement from soccer." — Mention the year here as well.
Done, replaced "following his retirement from soccer" with "in 2020".
Honors
Can the CIF Southern Section, All-Orange County Player of the Year, and the 2019 Armed Forces Men's Soccer Championship accolades be mentioned here? The latter at least, if not the former two?
Partly done, as far as I am and was aware, the consensus is that high school soccer does not go in the infobox and high school awards do not go in the honors section. That said, I added the Army accolade here. The header currently just reads "United States military", but feel free to recommend any better title.
References
"Cal Poly Mustangs"; "Southern California High School Soccer Coaches Association"; "United States Youth Soccer Association"; "Toronto FC"; "United Soccer League"; "Premier Development League"; "Major League Soccer"; "Seattle Sounders FC"; "Portland Timbers"; " LinkedIn"; "Instagram"; "UCLA Bruins" — Should not be in italics.
Done, all fixed.
"Tribune Publishing" is not the publisher of "Los Angeles Times".
Done, replaced with "Los Angeles Times Communications LLC".
Don't have to mention "Tribune staff" and "MLSsoccer staff" in absence of specific authors since that would be self-evident.
Done, removed.
Remove "Major League Soccer" as the publisher from team references since the teams should be the publisher — "Toronto FC"; "Seattle Sounders FC"; "Portland Timbers".
Thank you to
ArsenalGhanaPartey for the ping and @
The Most Comfortable Chair: for the review! I've made all the requested changes and left just one quick remark. This has certainly been a long process with this article, but I'm glad to get this one to the GA stripe in the end. Let me know if there's anything else I need to do to finish this review off!
Keskkonnakaitse (
talk)
20:01, 27 April 2022 (UTC)reply
A thoroughly researched and well-written article that covers all aspects of the subject's life using reliable sources. I thank
Keskkonnakaitse for their patience and great work on the article, and I would like to extend my apologies once more for the uncharacteristic delay. This has been long-overdue — it meets the criteria. —
The Most ComfortableChair06:28, 29 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Did you know nomination
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hooks are interesting and sourced. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go.
Thriley (
talk)
17:13, 2 May 2022 (UTC)reply
This article was nominated for
deletion on 30 September 2021. The result of
the discussion was no consensus.
A fact from Steve Palacios appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 May 2022 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or
poorly sourcedmust be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially
libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to
this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.
This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following
WikiProjects:
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to
join the project and
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This article is within the scope of WikiProject California, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the
U.S. state of California on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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This article is within the scope of WikiProject Football, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
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This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the
United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.
"his second season with the Fusion, he helped the team finish as winners of the Premier Development League's Southwest Division." — This fact should be mentioned in "Summer leagues".
Done, a sentence in that section has been changed to read "He returned to Ventura County in 2014 and played eight times in all competitions as the Fusion won the PDL's Southwest Division."
Early life and youth career
"He grew up in a soccer household" — This is somewhat vague. Does this mean that his parents were a followers of the game or that they (or one of them) were soccer player(s)?
"and as a kid trained with his older brother's teams." — "kid" should generally be avoided as it is relatively informal. Consider using "child" or changing the phrasing to "and would train with his older brother's teams" (or something along the lines).
Done, to address these two points, I've changed this sentence to read "All three boys played soccer, and Steve trained with his older brother's teams while he was growing up."
"helped the Tritons to their first-ever CIF Southern Section title" — Mention the year.
Done, the sentence now reads "...at San Clemente, and as a senior in 2011, helped the Tritons..."
"Palacios played his youth soccer with United FC" — Can you provide some context as to what United FC is, since it does not have a Wikipedia entry? A note explaining it would work, like "Palacios played his youth soccer with United FC, a youth development club in San Clemente" (I am not sure what United FC is, and this is just an illustrative example).
Done, using your example wording, the sentence now reads "Palacios played his youth soccer with United FC, a youth development club in San Juan Capistrano, California."
College and amateur
"amateur" in the sub-header feels slightly awkward. I am not sure if using just "amateur" is the standard practice; I would recommend using "amateur career" unless the former is the common way to title headings.
Done, no, you're entirely correct that it sounds better to say "amateur career", thanks for pointing it out because I'm going to need to change that on a few more pages as well. It also standardizes all of the sub-headers that regard Palacios' soccer career.
"He provided the game-winning assist to Chase Minter in the 11th minute." — I am not sure if "game-winning assist" is accurate in a game that was won 3–0. Perhaps you can specify whether it was the first or last goal?
Done, it's technically accurate, but if it's going to cause confusion it's better to remove it. The sentence now reads "He assisted Chase Minter for the first goal of the game in the 11th minute."
Club career
"played his only game for the club in a postseason friendly against Sacramento Republic." — Please mention the date here.
Done, the sentence now reads "...against Sacramento Republic on November 14."
After soccer
Since this section only includes his military career, consider renaming it to "Military career", "Military career and Armed Forces soccer" or something similar.
Done, changed to "Military career". Thanks for the suggestions, I struggled hard to title this section when I originally cleaned up the article.
"After ending his professional soccer career, Palacios enlisted in the United States Army as a specialist." — Can the year be mentioned?
Done, the sentence now reads "...as a specialist in 2017."
Personal life
"then earned a Master of Business Administration from the University of Maryland, Baltimore County following his retirement from soccer." — Mention the year here as well.
Done, replaced "following his retirement from soccer" with "in 2020".
Honors
Can the CIF Southern Section, All-Orange County Player of the Year, and the 2019 Armed Forces Men's Soccer Championship accolades be mentioned here? The latter at least, if not the former two?
Partly done, as far as I am and was aware, the consensus is that high school soccer does not go in the infobox and high school awards do not go in the honors section. That said, I added the Army accolade here. The header currently just reads "United States military", but feel free to recommend any better title.
References
"Cal Poly Mustangs"; "Southern California High School Soccer Coaches Association"; "United States Youth Soccer Association"; "Toronto FC"; "United Soccer League"; "Premier Development League"; "Major League Soccer"; "Seattle Sounders FC"; "Portland Timbers"; " LinkedIn"; "Instagram"; "UCLA Bruins" — Should not be in italics.
Done, all fixed.
"Tribune Publishing" is not the publisher of "Los Angeles Times".
Done, replaced with "Los Angeles Times Communications LLC".
Don't have to mention "Tribune staff" and "MLSsoccer staff" in absence of specific authors since that would be self-evident.
Done, removed.
Remove "Major League Soccer" as the publisher from team references since the teams should be the publisher — "Toronto FC"; "Seattle Sounders FC"; "Portland Timbers".
Thank you to
ArsenalGhanaPartey for the ping and @
The Most Comfortable Chair: for the review! I've made all the requested changes and left just one quick remark. This has certainly been a long process with this article, but I'm glad to get this one to the GA stripe in the end. Let me know if there's anything else I need to do to finish this review off!
Keskkonnakaitse (
talk)
20:01, 27 April 2022 (UTC)reply
A thoroughly researched and well-written article that covers all aspects of the subject's life using reliable sources. I thank
Keskkonnakaitse for their patience and great work on the article, and I would like to extend my apologies once more for the uncharacteristic delay. This has been long-overdue — it meets the criteria. —
The Most ComfortableChair06:28, 29 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Did you know nomination
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hooks are interesting and sourced. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go.
Thriley (
talk)
17:13, 2 May 2022 (UTC)reply