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Nice article, I expect it will be getting a few hits given that Davis has made his 100th final.
I'm always a little troubled by statements like "widely considered to be one of the greatest players of all time". They're so difficult to get NPOV, and many articles - especially about musicians - are just cringeworthy in trying to portray their subjects as great, influential, legendary etc. OTOH, we can be too coy, and actually distort the facts that way too. Is there any body of opinion at all that doesn't consider Davis to be "one of the greatest players of all time"? Isn't the debate merely whether he is the greatest? After all, this is a guy who was so awesome and dominating in the 80s that he almost bored us all to death! -- kingboyk 02:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Depends on how you look at it - statistically Stephen Hendry could be considered to be the best of all time as he won the title seven times to Davis' six, but the game underwent many changes - it still does so, hence why there has not been a pre-dominant player in the 2000s. On the Sunday Express's 2002 video "The Story of Snooker", Steve Davis ststes that Alex Higgins and Ronnie O'Sulliavn are the two most naturally talented players of the game, and Jimmy White the best matchplayer.. He also quotes "If you're very good, you may just becaome the best player of your era - a Joe Davis, a Ray Reardon, or even a Steve Davis. But in my opinion, there is one man who is out there on his own. And he is... Stephen Hendry". This is always going to be a matter of opinion as to who is the gretaest of all time.
There is a simple solution which does not result in a subjective determination, which is to, as with other entries for leading sports personalities, to say 'widely considered as one of the greatest players of all time'. That is a factual statement, no reasonably informed follower of snooker can deny it, and if someone can find that official list that two pundits compiled that listed Davis as the third greatest player of all time to reference the comment, that would be even more helpful. 91.125.82.113 ( talk) 11:07, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
To cut down the size of this and other snooker player articles, I propose to remove the country flag as the subject's picture is there. The flag only needs to appear if a suitable usable picture of the subject/person can't be provided (e.g. there isn't one of Tony Meo). The article also specifies their nationality. Other sports don't automaticaly add the flag, e.g. see David Beckham or Johan Cruijff Patrick.
The article is written as if he dropped out of the top 16 at least once. When was this?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.156.33.151 ( talk • contribs)
Could a better photo be used? He is almost unrecognisable, or, at the very least, there are hundreds of better photos of him that could be used. -- WeAreSilver 13:39, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I think the story of the origin of the nickname needs to be linked to the ironic book title in the prose. Not suggesting a particular edit, but it seems that the book mention should follow the nickname origin-story, pretty much immediately. I don't know if that means just move some stuff around or if it means have a whole subsection about the nickname. I'll leave that to other editors. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 23:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Is this article good enough to be nominated to be a Good article yet? - Nick C 16:35, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
The "Later years" section sound like end-of-life for a deceased article subject. Needs to be renamed. Not sure what to, though. The "Outside snooker" section is also misnamed, as much of it does in fact have to do with his snooker career, and the section named thus would also need to include the pool section since pool isn't snooker. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont ‹(-¿-)› 14:51, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
The article describes Steve as a snooker and pool player. To me, that's misleading as it suggests he makes his living from both when, in reality, he's a snooker player who sometimes plays pool (unlike, for example, Mark Selby who is the world 8ball champion and, even then, maks his main living from snooker). Would people object to a rewording along the lines of "a professional snooker and occasional pool player" or words to that effect. bigpad 19:32, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
The Jul-Aug-Sep 1957 Register of Births (Ancestry.com. England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2008. Original data: General Register Office. England and Wales Civil Registration Indexes. London, England: General Register Office.) has a record of a "Steve Davis" born in Woolwich. According to the article, Steve was born in Plumstead which, while actually in Greenwich, is very close to Woolwich. I believe therefore that "Steve" is his actual first name, not a shortening of Steven or Stephen. There are 2 "Steven Davis"s listed, one born in 'Surrey N.' and the other in Birmingham. There are 6 "Stephen Davis"s listed, born in Norton, Bath, Brentford, Stroud, W.Ham, and Bournemouth. Of these, the only realistic candidate is "W.Ham" which is presumably West Ham. But West Ham is further away than Woolwich and on the other side of the river. Taking a book as a source may not be very sensible in this instance. My name is Stephen, but I usually use Steve. As a result, I frequently find that people assume that my name is Steven and often see it written down that way. Bryces ( talk) 21:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Stanton, re Davis' dislike of "8ball": your use of "blackball pool" is not really accurate. 8ball played under World rules also uses a smaller white. I have revised this to read "8ball pool as played in British pubs and clubs." bigpad 10:00, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
The hidden note states that it doesn't jog with the infobox, yet there's no reference to the UK Championships in the infobox. - Dudesleeper · Talk 11:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
...does not make sense (obviously missing something!): but I am not the one to fix it... Grahbudd 05:04, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
It says he is a keen chess player and co-authored a book on chess. Anyone know how good he is (i.e his rating, does he have a FM, IM, GM title etc).
The mention of a snooker/pool triathlon is obviously a contradiction in terms unless, say, two types of pool were played. Can some further explanation be given of this or should it refer to a biathlon? -- WeAreSilver 22:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
The thriatlon consisted of matches in straigh pool, snooker and 9-ball (Snooker Scene, August 1987)
My Talk page has a reply on this issue. I'd welcome wider views, as I'm not convinced it's needed bigpad ( talk) 13:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the constructive comments folks. I see where the problems lie. Certainly the points about hyperbolae and jargon, esp. in in the snooker bios, are impt, more so, I'd say, that the citation issue. And they require constant vigilance (esp. Ronnie O'Sullivan!) bigpad ( talk) 09:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
David has played in the occassional billiards tournament -- 194.125.110.75 ( talk) 18:32, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
English billards as was somewhat obvious already and as was reflected in the edit I made to the article after posting the previous comment. -- 78.16.207.57 ( talk) 17:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Not sure about this. Davis' record makes his status in snooker history obvious and doesn't need this credit. Looks a bit self-promoting to me, but I AGF. -- Dweller ( talk) 15:12, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be a problem with one of the references and I can't sought it out. Can anyone else? Samasnookerfan ( talk) 18:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I think this article is close to GA status, we just need to find references for the "citation needed" at the end of some sentences. Any takers? - Nick C ( t· c) 18:57, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi everyone
I'm a new editor on wikipedia, so let me know if I break any guidelines!
I don't know if my concern has been discussed on other sports related talk pages. I want to query whether there should be a consistent approach to the use of the words Defeat and Beat.
In this article, Beat appears 19 times, Defeat appears 6 times. Personally, I feel defeat is a more appropriate word. Regardless, however, I feel also that one or the other words should be used consistently.
Any thoughts?
Jordan Jordantrew ( talk) 12:36, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
With regards to this edit, according to [1] and [2] they are two different events.
In the Asian Open Davis played McManus, and in the Thailand Masters he played Stephen Hendry so they must have been different matches. Also, Davis' Asian Open win was a ranking title where the Thailand Masters was non-ranking. Betty Logan ( talk) 08:59, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
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I've run a comb on this article's references, so if any of them die this is the list of cached sources. Betty Logan ( talk)
An IP has recently undertaken some strutural work on the article. He's doing a fantastic job, especially adding results that we were missing, but the problem now is that the results are unsourced. I'd be grateful if he could add a reference for the section, so that the information is verifiable. Without a source the information could be removed at a later point, and we also need to know that these results are coming from a reliable source. Betty Logan ( talk) 04:27, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
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Nice article, I expect it will be getting a few hits given that Davis has made his 100th final.
I'm always a little troubled by statements like "widely considered to be one of the greatest players of all time". They're so difficult to get NPOV, and many articles - especially about musicians - are just cringeworthy in trying to portray their subjects as great, influential, legendary etc. OTOH, we can be too coy, and actually distort the facts that way too. Is there any body of opinion at all that doesn't consider Davis to be "one of the greatest players of all time"? Isn't the debate merely whether he is the greatest? After all, this is a guy who was so awesome and dominating in the 80s that he almost bored us all to death! -- kingboyk 02:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Depends on how you look at it - statistically Stephen Hendry could be considered to be the best of all time as he won the title seven times to Davis' six, but the game underwent many changes - it still does so, hence why there has not been a pre-dominant player in the 2000s. On the Sunday Express's 2002 video "The Story of Snooker", Steve Davis ststes that Alex Higgins and Ronnie O'Sulliavn are the two most naturally talented players of the game, and Jimmy White the best matchplayer.. He also quotes "If you're very good, you may just becaome the best player of your era - a Joe Davis, a Ray Reardon, or even a Steve Davis. But in my opinion, there is one man who is out there on his own. And he is... Stephen Hendry". This is always going to be a matter of opinion as to who is the gretaest of all time.
There is a simple solution which does not result in a subjective determination, which is to, as with other entries for leading sports personalities, to say 'widely considered as one of the greatest players of all time'. That is a factual statement, no reasonably informed follower of snooker can deny it, and if someone can find that official list that two pundits compiled that listed Davis as the third greatest player of all time to reference the comment, that would be even more helpful. 91.125.82.113 ( talk) 11:07, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
To cut down the size of this and other snooker player articles, I propose to remove the country flag as the subject's picture is there. The flag only needs to appear if a suitable usable picture of the subject/person can't be provided (e.g. there isn't one of Tony Meo). The article also specifies their nationality. Other sports don't automaticaly add the flag, e.g. see David Beckham or Johan Cruijff Patrick.
The article is written as if he dropped out of the top 16 at least once. When was this?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.156.33.151 ( talk • contribs)
Could a better photo be used? He is almost unrecognisable, or, at the very least, there are hundreds of better photos of him that could be used. -- WeAreSilver 13:39, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I think the story of the origin of the nickname needs to be linked to the ironic book title in the prose. Not suggesting a particular edit, but it seems that the book mention should follow the nickname origin-story, pretty much immediately. I don't know if that means just move some stuff around or if it means have a whole subsection about the nickname. I'll leave that to other editors. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 23:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Is this article good enough to be nominated to be a Good article yet? - Nick C 16:35, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
The "Later years" section sound like end-of-life for a deceased article subject. Needs to be renamed. Not sure what to, though. The "Outside snooker" section is also misnamed, as much of it does in fact have to do with his snooker career, and the section named thus would also need to include the pool section since pool isn't snooker. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont ‹(-¿-)› 14:51, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
The article describes Steve as a snooker and pool player. To me, that's misleading as it suggests he makes his living from both when, in reality, he's a snooker player who sometimes plays pool (unlike, for example, Mark Selby who is the world 8ball champion and, even then, maks his main living from snooker). Would people object to a rewording along the lines of "a professional snooker and occasional pool player" or words to that effect. bigpad 19:32, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
The Jul-Aug-Sep 1957 Register of Births (Ancestry.com. England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2008. Original data: General Register Office. England and Wales Civil Registration Indexes. London, England: General Register Office.) has a record of a "Steve Davis" born in Woolwich. According to the article, Steve was born in Plumstead which, while actually in Greenwich, is very close to Woolwich. I believe therefore that "Steve" is his actual first name, not a shortening of Steven or Stephen. There are 2 "Steven Davis"s listed, one born in 'Surrey N.' and the other in Birmingham. There are 6 "Stephen Davis"s listed, born in Norton, Bath, Brentford, Stroud, W.Ham, and Bournemouth. Of these, the only realistic candidate is "W.Ham" which is presumably West Ham. But West Ham is further away than Woolwich and on the other side of the river. Taking a book as a source may not be very sensible in this instance. My name is Stephen, but I usually use Steve. As a result, I frequently find that people assume that my name is Steven and often see it written down that way. Bryces ( talk) 21:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Stanton, re Davis' dislike of "8ball": your use of "blackball pool" is not really accurate. 8ball played under World rules also uses a smaller white. I have revised this to read "8ball pool as played in British pubs and clubs." bigpad 10:00, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
The hidden note states that it doesn't jog with the infobox, yet there's no reference to the UK Championships in the infobox. - Dudesleeper · Talk 11:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
...does not make sense (obviously missing something!): but I am not the one to fix it... Grahbudd 05:04, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
It says he is a keen chess player and co-authored a book on chess. Anyone know how good he is (i.e his rating, does he have a FM, IM, GM title etc).
The mention of a snooker/pool triathlon is obviously a contradiction in terms unless, say, two types of pool were played. Can some further explanation be given of this or should it refer to a biathlon? -- WeAreSilver 22:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
The thriatlon consisted of matches in straigh pool, snooker and 9-ball (Snooker Scene, August 1987)
My Talk page has a reply on this issue. I'd welcome wider views, as I'm not convinced it's needed bigpad ( talk) 13:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the constructive comments folks. I see where the problems lie. Certainly the points about hyperbolae and jargon, esp. in in the snooker bios, are impt, more so, I'd say, that the citation issue. And they require constant vigilance (esp. Ronnie O'Sullivan!) bigpad ( talk) 09:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
David has played in the occassional billiards tournament -- 194.125.110.75 ( talk) 18:32, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
English billards as was somewhat obvious already and as was reflected in the edit I made to the article after posting the previous comment. -- 78.16.207.57 ( talk) 17:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Not sure about this. Davis' record makes his status in snooker history obvious and doesn't need this credit. Looks a bit self-promoting to me, but I AGF. -- Dweller ( talk) 15:12, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be a problem with one of the references and I can't sought it out. Can anyone else? Samasnookerfan ( talk) 18:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I think this article is close to GA status, we just need to find references for the "citation needed" at the end of some sentences. Any takers? - Nick C ( t· c) 18:57, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi everyone
I'm a new editor on wikipedia, so let me know if I break any guidelines!
I don't know if my concern has been discussed on other sports related talk pages. I want to query whether there should be a consistent approach to the use of the words Defeat and Beat.
In this article, Beat appears 19 times, Defeat appears 6 times. Personally, I feel defeat is a more appropriate word. Regardless, however, I feel also that one or the other words should be used consistently.
Any thoughts?
Jordan Jordantrew ( talk) 12:36, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
With regards to this edit, according to [1] and [2] they are two different events.
In the Asian Open Davis played McManus, and in the Thailand Masters he played Stephen Hendry so they must have been different matches. Also, Davis' Asian Open win was a ranking title where the Thailand Masters was non-ranking. Betty Logan ( talk) 08:59, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
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I've run a comb on this article's references, so if any of them die this is the list of cached sources. Betty Logan ( talk)
An IP has recently undertaken some strutural work on the article. He's doing a fantastic job, especially adding results that we were missing, but the problem now is that the results are unsourced. I'd be grateful if he could add a reference for the section, so that the information is verifiable. Without a source the information could be removed at a later point, and we also need to know that these results are coming from a reliable source. Betty Logan ( talk) 04:27, 18 March 2011 (UTC)