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The Gap titles have a line break in the title in my editions -- which we can't put in a page title here. However we do ntted something, they look odd otherwise. A dash maybe? The Gap into Conflict - The Real Story -- Tarquin
Those titles originally had dashes, I took them out, I thought dashes didn't work in 'pedia headings. Am I wrong? -- Zoe
Library of Congress uses colons, as does ISFDB. (LoC also puts the 'Gap' phrase after the remainder of the titme, but this seems counter to the usage in the books themselves.)
The fireandwater link goes to a splash page for the site; I couldn't find anything about Donaldson within a few clicks. Does anyone have another web source for the title puncutation? -- OrionAnderson
I've added the tentative titles for the rest of the Third Chronicles, which I got from [1] and also from [2] where there's rather more actual substance. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm excited at the prospect of finding out what happened next. Phil 11:59, Nov 28, 2003 (UTC)
Is there a reason there are two "The Man Who Tried to Get Away" entries, one for 1990 and one for 2004? Is this an error, or are the two printings different in some way? Clarification is needed. -- Belross
Does anyone really compare Donaldson to Tolkien? Tolkien is uplifting and empowering, the Covenant books just made me morose and depressed. No matter how bad things get for Covenant - they will always get worse. Avalon 03:59, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
My copies of his book all have the blurb "Comparable to Tolkien at his best" across the front cover ... Besides, both LoTR and the Covenant series are the kind of books which require a map of an imaginary land, and a glossary. Maybe this was still rare in 1977? JöG ( talk) 15:45, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I realize this is an extreme necropost, but it's as good a place as any to organize my thoughts. I do think everyone should be comparing Donaldson to Tolkien. That doesn't mean they're the same, it just means they're similar enough for their differences to be interesting. The big thing to remember is that they're related to each other through a third source -- Wagner's Niebelungenlied operas. That's the original story about doomed heroes and magic rings. Tolkien studied european myth and folklore and was explicitly riffing on it for Middle-Earth. Donaldson has also made clear that he's strongly influenced by Wagner -- he describes the Gap cycle as an adaptation, but Covenant is clearly also influenced. Honestly, though, I think it's most useful to think of Covenant as a response to or a commentary on Tolkien. They both center on a stubborn hero with almost supernatural willpower, entrusted with a dangerous ring none of the "good guys" will willing take from them, who end up on a desperate foot journey to the evil mountain that would have failed at the last if not for their most faithful companion. The difference is that Tolkien makes his hero appealing and his power ugly. The shire is great, there's no problem there, power corrupts, and we and the readers are happy to be rid of the whole thing. That's that Donaldson rejects. He says (in the first chrons) that power isn't something to reject or surrender, its something we have a responsibility to take and use. It's the reversal of Christian humility. I had to post this here because it's heartfelt and clearly "original research," but I'm hoping that I could strip down to the objective basic facts -- both series end with a 2-person ringbearer quest, but one is about destroying the ring and the other is about using it -- but I'm not sure what page would be most appropriate to put it in. Advice? -- OrionAnderson — Preceding undated comment added 09:47, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to make people aware of the availability of Donaldson's essay on Epic Fantasy in his website? Or is it enough to only list his website as an external link? Jimmysuzuki 05:00, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I just created articles for each book of The Gap Cycle and they are in dire need of plots, images of the cover art and other useful info RoyBatty42 23:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I added a link to FanLit.net because it's a better resource than what is present. I think editors don't like that it's a newer resource, but it is better than those up here that have ads and not much useful content. This is the kind of information readers want -- book covers, publication dates, reviews. I am a user of the website and find it very helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chraak ( talk • contribs) 14:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Does it really make sense to identify his books by ISBN numbers? They change between hardback and paperback, between US and foreign printings. I haven't seen ISBN used this much in other articles ... JöG ( talk) 15:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
It is mentioned in "Awards" section that Donaldson received Saturn Award - Best Novel in 1983 for The One Tree. However, from the Saturn Award article it seems that this is a tv/movie award, and there is no "Best Novel" category. Even more, the only relevant result for "saturn award best novel" search is the article in question. It seems that Donaldson did not actually receive any Saturn awards. Penartur ( talk) 14:41, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
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The Gap titles have a line break in the title in my editions -- which we can't put in a page title here. However we do ntted something, they look odd otherwise. A dash maybe? The Gap into Conflict - The Real Story -- Tarquin
Those titles originally had dashes, I took them out, I thought dashes didn't work in 'pedia headings. Am I wrong? -- Zoe
Library of Congress uses colons, as does ISFDB. (LoC also puts the 'Gap' phrase after the remainder of the titme, but this seems counter to the usage in the books themselves.)
The fireandwater link goes to a splash page for the site; I couldn't find anything about Donaldson within a few clicks. Does anyone have another web source for the title puncutation? -- OrionAnderson
I've added the tentative titles for the rest of the Third Chronicles, which I got from [1] and also from [2] where there's rather more actual substance. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm excited at the prospect of finding out what happened next. Phil 11:59, Nov 28, 2003 (UTC)
Is there a reason there are two "The Man Who Tried to Get Away" entries, one for 1990 and one for 2004? Is this an error, or are the two printings different in some way? Clarification is needed. -- Belross
Does anyone really compare Donaldson to Tolkien? Tolkien is uplifting and empowering, the Covenant books just made me morose and depressed. No matter how bad things get for Covenant - they will always get worse. Avalon 03:59, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
My copies of his book all have the blurb "Comparable to Tolkien at his best" across the front cover ... Besides, both LoTR and the Covenant series are the kind of books which require a map of an imaginary land, and a glossary. Maybe this was still rare in 1977? JöG ( talk) 15:45, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I realize this is an extreme necropost, but it's as good a place as any to organize my thoughts. I do think everyone should be comparing Donaldson to Tolkien. That doesn't mean they're the same, it just means they're similar enough for their differences to be interesting. The big thing to remember is that they're related to each other through a third source -- Wagner's Niebelungenlied operas. That's the original story about doomed heroes and magic rings. Tolkien studied european myth and folklore and was explicitly riffing on it for Middle-Earth. Donaldson has also made clear that he's strongly influenced by Wagner -- he describes the Gap cycle as an adaptation, but Covenant is clearly also influenced. Honestly, though, I think it's most useful to think of Covenant as a response to or a commentary on Tolkien. They both center on a stubborn hero with almost supernatural willpower, entrusted with a dangerous ring none of the "good guys" will willing take from them, who end up on a desperate foot journey to the evil mountain that would have failed at the last if not for their most faithful companion. The difference is that Tolkien makes his hero appealing and his power ugly. The shire is great, there's no problem there, power corrupts, and we and the readers are happy to be rid of the whole thing. That's that Donaldson rejects. He says (in the first chrons) that power isn't something to reject or surrender, its something we have a responsibility to take and use. It's the reversal of Christian humility. I had to post this here because it's heartfelt and clearly "original research," but I'm hoping that I could strip down to the objective basic facts -- both series end with a 2-person ringbearer quest, but one is about destroying the ring and the other is about using it -- but I'm not sure what page would be most appropriate to put it in. Advice? -- OrionAnderson — Preceding undated comment added 09:47, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to make people aware of the availability of Donaldson's essay on Epic Fantasy in his website? Or is it enough to only list his website as an external link? Jimmysuzuki 05:00, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I just created articles for each book of The Gap Cycle and they are in dire need of plots, images of the cover art and other useful info RoyBatty42 23:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I added a link to FanLit.net because it's a better resource than what is present. I think editors don't like that it's a newer resource, but it is better than those up here that have ads and not much useful content. This is the kind of information readers want -- book covers, publication dates, reviews. I am a user of the website and find it very helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chraak ( talk • contribs) 14:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Does it really make sense to identify his books by ISBN numbers? They change between hardback and paperback, between US and foreign printings. I haven't seen ISBN used this much in other articles ... JöG ( talk) 15:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
It is mentioned in "Awards" section that Donaldson received Saturn Award - Best Novel in 1983 for The One Tree. However, from the Saturn Award article it seems that this is a tv/movie award, and there is no "Best Novel" category. Even more, the only relevant result for "saturn award best novel" search is the article in question. It seems that Donaldson did not actually receive any Saturn awards. Penartur ( talk) 14:41, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
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