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The date of 18th August is much better sourced than 17th August. Here are three references:
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Runcorn
13:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd be very reluctant to disregard contemporary reports from two of Britain's top national papers. The Yale report, in particular, is unlikely to be a credible independent source. However, I won't have an edit war over it.-- Runcorn 00:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, she richly deserves an article, which is why I linked her name. We might even have an article on Korner bumber, her device for monitoring the Health Service. I'm happy to leave the date of death as is.-- Runcorn 14:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
According to the coroner's report, Edith Korner was still warm when found, in bed, with two plastic bags tied over her head and a pillow on top of them, by a visiting doctor and nurse on August 17. The time of death in the coroner's report is given as 10.30 hrs. 17.8.00. Stephan Korner, lying on the floor also with plastic bags - secured with an elastic band - over his head and a pillow resting on top of them, was given the same date and time of death. You can confirm these details in the coroner's report (Bristol, October 18 2000).
With respect to the cited death-related reference, namely, 'An organised death, Anjana Ahuja. The Times, September 4 2000. ( Electronic copy), note that the first paragraph includes the sentence, "Instead of being divided by disease the couple chose to be united in death, taking a lethal overdose and breathing their last in each other's arms at their Bristol home." Reference to the coroner's report of the inquest (Coroner Paul Forrest, Bristol, UK; October 18 2000), reveals that, far from dying in each other's arms, Mrs. Körner was found in bed, while Professor Körner had fallen on the floor, and the heads of both were enclosed in pairs of plastic bags, with a pillow on top of each. Ms. Ahuja's article, dated September 4 2000, was written before she had access to the coroner's report and, thus, in the absence of an accurate informant at the time, she had no way of knowing the truth about the way the Körners died, which can be found in the aforementioned coroner's report.
I think that this might be justifiable. He (and his wife) only came to Britain because they were fleeing Nazi persecution of Jews, so their Jewishness had a fundamental effect on their lives.-- Runcorn 01:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Looks good to me.-- Runcorn 21:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
From Ann M. Altman - Stephan's daughter: There is no question that Jewishness is a very important part of my father's story. My parents both fled Czechoslovakia to escape death at the hands of the Nazis. My father was warned by an old schoolmate of his, who came to his house in full Nazi regalia and said, "Stephan, if you don't leave today, you won't be able to leave tomorrow." He left his parents (who perished - his father, according to what my father told me, committing suicide on the way to Auschwitz, or more likely from what I have since learned, dying on a transport "to the East") and walked into Poland with two friends, Willi Haas and Otto Eisner. All he carried was a small briefcase of books. My parents chose to be fully assimilated into the non-Jewish Bristol community and never practiced any form of Judaism, with the exception that birthdays and Christmas were celebrated "on the eve" or "erev" and they drew the line at having a Christmas tree. I was astonished that my mother wanted Kaddish said at her (their?) funeral. She had always been very dismissive of my own husband's Jewish heritage and our somewhat Jewish home. My father, by contrast, chose for his (their?) funeral, a piece on the unknowable by Leibnitz, which seemed more appropriate. I think my father would not have minded being referred to as a Jewish philosopher. When first hired by the University of Bristol, he had to dispel rumors that he had been a Hungarian circus rider - perhaps a confused reference to his time in the Second Siberian Hussars, where he learned to ride a horse over a fence with three horses in each hand.
User:Shimgray reverts the edit that shows the ISBN number for the book entitled Kant. Did he ever consider that some people might want to look the book up on Amazon.com and purchase it as a used book? This is possible when the ISBN number is shown. Yes, User:Shimgray, the 1964 edition is a later version than the 1955 version. What is so wrong with listing the later version? Lestrade 03:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC)PutziKornwinkle
I am amused that there has been so much discussion of the date of my parents' deaths and the publication of "Kant" but nobody caught the error in the title of the book that is correctly entitled, "Categorial Frameworks" :) AA
In the section "Philosophical work," the following words appear: "Korner [sic] mistakenly assumed that Kant's categories apply directly to ordinary empirical science, a decisive error in understanding Kant…." This dogmatic, assertive, declarative statement is presented as though the idea that it tries to communicate is self–evident. It seems to me that such an unclear statement is subjective and mere opinion. It is not defined or explained. Lestrade ( talk) 21:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)Lestrade
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The date of 18th August is much better sourced than 17th August. Here are three references:
--
Runcorn
13:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd be very reluctant to disregard contemporary reports from two of Britain's top national papers. The Yale report, in particular, is unlikely to be a credible independent source. However, I won't have an edit war over it.-- Runcorn 00:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, she richly deserves an article, which is why I linked her name. We might even have an article on Korner bumber, her device for monitoring the Health Service. I'm happy to leave the date of death as is.-- Runcorn 14:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
According to the coroner's report, Edith Korner was still warm when found, in bed, with two plastic bags tied over her head and a pillow on top of them, by a visiting doctor and nurse on August 17. The time of death in the coroner's report is given as 10.30 hrs. 17.8.00. Stephan Korner, lying on the floor also with plastic bags - secured with an elastic band - over his head and a pillow resting on top of them, was given the same date and time of death. You can confirm these details in the coroner's report (Bristol, October 18 2000).
With respect to the cited death-related reference, namely, 'An organised death, Anjana Ahuja. The Times, September 4 2000. ( Electronic copy), note that the first paragraph includes the sentence, "Instead of being divided by disease the couple chose to be united in death, taking a lethal overdose and breathing their last in each other's arms at their Bristol home." Reference to the coroner's report of the inquest (Coroner Paul Forrest, Bristol, UK; October 18 2000), reveals that, far from dying in each other's arms, Mrs. Körner was found in bed, while Professor Körner had fallen on the floor, and the heads of both were enclosed in pairs of plastic bags, with a pillow on top of each. Ms. Ahuja's article, dated September 4 2000, was written before she had access to the coroner's report and, thus, in the absence of an accurate informant at the time, she had no way of knowing the truth about the way the Körners died, which can be found in the aforementioned coroner's report.
I think that this might be justifiable. He (and his wife) only came to Britain because they were fleeing Nazi persecution of Jews, so their Jewishness had a fundamental effect on their lives.-- Runcorn 01:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Looks good to me.-- Runcorn 21:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
From Ann M. Altman - Stephan's daughter: There is no question that Jewishness is a very important part of my father's story. My parents both fled Czechoslovakia to escape death at the hands of the Nazis. My father was warned by an old schoolmate of his, who came to his house in full Nazi regalia and said, "Stephan, if you don't leave today, you won't be able to leave tomorrow." He left his parents (who perished - his father, according to what my father told me, committing suicide on the way to Auschwitz, or more likely from what I have since learned, dying on a transport "to the East") and walked into Poland with two friends, Willi Haas and Otto Eisner. All he carried was a small briefcase of books. My parents chose to be fully assimilated into the non-Jewish Bristol community and never practiced any form of Judaism, with the exception that birthdays and Christmas were celebrated "on the eve" or "erev" and they drew the line at having a Christmas tree. I was astonished that my mother wanted Kaddish said at her (their?) funeral. She had always been very dismissive of my own husband's Jewish heritage and our somewhat Jewish home. My father, by contrast, chose for his (their?) funeral, a piece on the unknowable by Leibnitz, which seemed more appropriate. I think my father would not have minded being referred to as a Jewish philosopher. When first hired by the University of Bristol, he had to dispel rumors that he had been a Hungarian circus rider - perhaps a confused reference to his time in the Second Siberian Hussars, where he learned to ride a horse over a fence with three horses in each hand.
User:Shimgray reverts the edit that shows the ISBN number for the book entitled Kant. Did he ever consider that some people might want to look the book up on Amazon.com and purchase it as a used book? This is possible when the ISBN number is shown. Yes, User:Shimgray, the 1964 edition is a later version than the 1955 version. What is so wrong with listing the later version? Lestrade 03:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC)PutziKornwinkle
I am amused that there has been so much discussion of the date of my parents' deaths and the publication of "Kant" but nobody caught the error in the title of the book that is correctly entitled, "Categorial Frameworks" :) AA
In the section "Philosophical work," the following words appear: "Korner [sic] mistakenly assumed that Kant's categories apply directly to ordinary empirical science, a decisive error in understanding Kant…." This dogmatic, assertive, declarative statement is presented as though the idea that it tries to communicate is self–evident. It seems to me that such an unclear statement is subjective and mere opinion. It is not defined or explained. Lestrade ( talk) 21:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)Lestrade