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Please can someone add the Azerbaijani name in template and introduction. This is concoderee as occupied lands of Azerbaijan. Thanks. xocalı beynəlxalq hava limanı [1]
@ Archives908: What's wrong with adding the pushpin map of the internationally recognised country the airport is located in? This is the standard procedure with all villages in Nagorno-Karabakh controlled by Armenia, which have maps of both Azerbaijan and Artsakh. Besides, how is this airport in Stepanakert when it's 10km away from the city? It's closer to Khojaly than any other settlement. — CuriousGolden (T· C) 14:27, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
Stepanakert Airport is an airport located in the town of Khojaly, 10 kilometres north-east of Stepanakert, the regional capital. — CuriousGolden (T· C) 19:11, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
Stepanakert Airport ( Armenian: Ստեփանակերտի Օդանավակայան) is an airport near Stepanakert, the capital city of the de facto independent Republic of Artsakh (also known as Nagorno-Karabakh Republic/NKR), de jure inside Azerbaijan.
Stepanakert Airport ( Armenian: Ստեփանակերտի Օդանավակայան) is an airport in the town of Khojaly, 10 kilometers north-east of Stepanakert, the regional capital of the de facto independent Republic of Artsakh (also known as Nagorno-Karabakh Republic/NKR), de jure inside Azerbaijan.
The discussion seems to have become exclusively about lead following your comment on 17:58. My main concern was with the infobox. You still have removed the Azerbaijani map without a reason. It'd also be prudent to change the "location=" parameter on infobox to Khojaly from Stepanakert. — CuriousGolden (T· C) 20:58, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
Stepanakert Airport ( Armenian: Ստեփանակերտի Օդանավակայան) is an airport in the town of Khojaly, 10 kilometers north-east of Stepanakert, the regional capital of the de facto self-proclaimed Republic of Artsakh (also known as Nagorno-Karabakh Republic/NKR), de jure inside Azerbaijan.
When it comes to the Nagorno-Karabakh articles, I was told earlier that the specific placement of maps and names with regard to the de jure/de facto situation had already been resolved in a certain way through discussion - however I haven't seen these discussions personally yet. My interest has mainly been in improving the articles in general, so I found this issue a bit petty and ignored it. However, it seems that the issue can turn into a matter of contention in that it serves to legitimize and delegitimize. After a cursory look at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names), I'm not sure how much Wikipedia guidelines take diplomatic recognition into consideration when it comes to placing one map ahead of another, however, as I understand it - while guidelines and naming conventions are one way of being guided regarding the standard format of pages, relevant sample discussions and RfC's that arrived at a certain consensus can serve as examples as well. This should be treated with care in my view, since not all discussions or move requests have been very inclusive or closed properly by editors familiar with the relevant Wikipedia guidelines and geo-political context. AntonSamuel ( talk) 15:50, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
@ Archives908: "Khojaly airport" is a significant alternate and official name for this airport and it is used by its native population which you implied doesn't (Khojaly, where this airport is located in, was a large Azerbaijani town).
Quotes from WP:NCGN and WP:OFFICIALNAME respectively, supporting inclusion:
Nevertheless, other names, especially those used significantly often (say, 10% of the time or more) in the available English literature on a place, past or present, should be mentioned in the article, as encyclopedic information.
Where an undisputed official name exists, it should always be provided early in an article's introduction, bolded at its first mention and, where appropriate, italicized.
Sources that show "Khojaly airport" matches the above policies' requirements:
— CuriousGolden (T· C) 14:11, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Response to third opinion request: |
Dear fellow editors,
I am Springnuts, a previously uninvolved editor. Afaik I have not previously interacted with either of the editors involved in this discussion. User:CuriousGolden added an alternative name for this non-functioning airport. User:Archives908 reverted it here: [1]. This is not inappropriate editing, though since it is apparently controversial it would have been constructive for User:Archives908 to follow WP:BRD and start a discussion on the talk page immediately after this edit. Or even to leave it in place and start the discussion. User:CuriousGolden remade the edit, and started a discussion on the talk page. User:Archives908 removed the material a second time with a peremptory sounding edit summary “Cease your reverts until a consensus is reached”. This sort of edit summary is unhelpful because it is not civil, and we do not in general require advance approval of edits or reversions. I commend User:CuriousGolden for not reverting this second revert; and I commend you both for engaging in discussion on the talk page. Please remember that editing is not a battle: the aim is to improve the encyclopedia; not to win a point. To the question. It’s all about pragmatism really. How do we make the encyclopedia useful? By following modern English usage, we avoid arguments about what a place ought to be called, instead asking the less contentious question, what is it called. We don’t care who built it, who owns it, who controls it, or who uses it (or rather, in this case, who doesn’t use it). Well, around 10% of the time - roughly speaking – it is called Khojaly Airport. I restricted Google Scholar results to 2017+ (8%) and Google Search results to the past 12 months (15%) to get this order of magnitude estimate. So my opinion is: iaw WP:PLACE and WP:OTHERNAMES ‘Khojaly Airport’ should be listed as an alternative name in this article; and there should be a redirect from Khojaly Airport to this article. I picked up from the discussion page that perhaps the two editors involved had tangled elsewhere. If this is happening a lot, or if you find yourself often in conflict with other editors, do consider voluntarily adopting a 1 Revert Rule as a general editing philosophy; or just taking a WP:WIKIBREAK. With warmest good wishes and my respect to you both. Springnuts ( talk) 22:43, 26 February 2021 (UTC) |
The city and therefore the airport came under Azerbaijani control. I recommend that relevant regulations be made. Emreculha ( talk) 06:41, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
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Please can someone add the Azerbaijani name in template and introduction. This is concoderee as occupied lands of Azerbaijan. Thanks. xocalı beynəlxalq hava limanı [1]
@ Archives908: What's wrong with adding the pushpin map of the internationally recognised country the airport is located in? This is the standard procedure with all villages in Nagorno-Karabakh controlled by Armenia, which have maps of both Azerbaijan and Artsakh. Besides, how is this airport in Stepanakert when it's 10km away from the city? It's closer to Khojaly than any other settlement. — CuriousGolden (T· C) 14:27, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
Stepanakert Airport is an airport located in the town of Khojaly, 10 kilometres north-east of Stepanakert, the regional capital. — CuriousGolden (T· C) 19:11, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
Stepanakert Airport ( Armenian: Ստեփանակերտի Օդանավակայան) is an airport near Stepanakert, the capital city of the de facto independent Republic of Artsakh (also known as Nagorno-Karabakh Republic/NKR), de jure inside Azerbaijan.
Stepanakert Airport ( Armenian: Ստեփանակերտի Օդանավակայան) is an airport in the town of Khojaly, 10 kilometers north-east of Stepanakert, the regional capital of the de facto independent Republic of Artsakh (also known as Nagorno-Karabakh Republic/NKR), de jure inside Azerbaijan.
The discussion seems to have become exclusively about lead following your comment on 17:58. My main concern was with the infobox. You still have removed the Azerbaijani map without a reason. It'd also be prudent to change the "location=" parameter on infobox to Khojaly from Stepanakert. — CuriousGolden (T· C) 20:58, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
Stepanakert Airport ( Armenian: Ստեփանակերտի Օդանավակայան) is an airport in the town of Khojaly, 10 kilometers north-east of Stepanakert, the regional capital of the de facto self-proclaimed Republic of Artsakh (also known as Nagorno-Karabakh Republic/NKR), de jure inside Azerbaijan.
When it comes to the Nagorno-Karabakh articles, I was told earlier that the specific placement of maps and names with regard to the de jure/de facto situation had already been resolved in a certain way through discussion - however I haven't seen these discussions personally yet. My interest has mainly been in improving the articles in general, so I found this issue a bit petty and ignored it. However, it seems that the issue can turn into a matter of contention in that it serves to legitimize and delegitimize. After a cursory look at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names), I'm not sure how much Wikipedia guidelines take diplomatic recognition into consideration when it comes to placing one map ahead of another, however, as I understand it - while guidelines and naming conventions are one way of being guided regarding the standard format of pages, relevant sample discussions and RfC's that arrived at a certain consensus can serve as examples as well. This should be treated with care in my view, since not all discussions or move requests have been very inclusive or closed properly by editors familiar with the relevant Wikipedia guidelines and geo-political context. AntonSamuel ( talk) 15:50, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
@ Archives908: "Khojaly airport" is a significant alternate and official name for this airport and it is used by its native population which you implied doesn't (Khojaly, where this airport is located in, was a large Azerbaijani town).
Quotes from WP:NCGN and WP:OFFICIALNAME respectively, supporting inclusion:
Nevertheless, other names, especially those used significantly often (say, 10% of the time or more) in the available English literature on a place, past or present, should be mentioned in the article, as encyclopedic information.
Where an undisputed official name exists, it should always be provided early in an article's introduction, bolded at its first mention and, where appropriate, italicized.
Sources that show "Khojaly airport" matches the above policies' requirements:
— CuriousGolden (T· C) 14:11, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Response to third opinion request: |
Dear fellow editors,
I am Springnuts, a previously uninvolved editor. Afaik I have not previously interacted with either of the editors involved in this discussion. User:CuriousGolden added an alternative name for this non-functioning airport. User:Archives908 reverted it here: [1]. This is not inappropriate editing, though since it is apparently controversial it would have been constructive for User:Archives908 to follow WP:BRD and start a discussion on the talk page immediately after this edit. Or even to leave it in place and start the discussion. User:CuriousGolden remade the edit, and started a discussion on the talk page. User:Archives908 removed the material a second time with a peremptory sounding edit summary “Cease your reverts until a consensus is reached”. This sort of edit summary is unhelpful because it is not civil, and we do not in general require advance approval of edits or reversions. I commend User:CuriousGolden for not reverting this second revert; and I commend you both for engaging in discussion on the talk page. Please remember that editing is not a battle: the aim is to improve the encyclopedia; not to win a point. To the question. It’s all about pragmatism really. How do we make the encyclopedia useful? By following modern English usage, we avoid arguments about what a place ought to be called, instead asking the less contentious question, what is it called. We don’t care who built it, who owns it, who controls it, or who uses it (or rather, in this case, who doesn’t use it). Well, around 10% of the time - roughly speaking – it is called Khojaly Airport. I restricted Google Scholar results to 2017+ (8%) and Google Search results to the past 12 months (15%) to get this order of magnitude estimate. So my opinion is: iaw WP:PLACE and WP:OTHERNAMES ‘Khojaly Airport’ should be listed as an alternative name in this article; and there should be a redirect from Khojaly Airport to this article. I picked up from the discussion page that perhaps the two editors involved had tangled elsewhere. If this is happening a lot, or if you find yourself often in conflict with other editors, do consider voluntarily adopting a 1 Revert Rule as a general editing philosophy; or just taking a WP:WIKIBREAK. With warmest good wishes and my respect to you both. Springnuts ( talk) 22:43, 26 February 2021 (UTC) |
The city and therefore the airport came under Azerbaijani control. I recommend that relevant regulations be made. Emreculha ( talk) 06:41, 5 October 2023 (UTC)